The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[JellosJigglin]

Confirms the eye test. His impact is unmistakable.

[76ers]

Mitchell will inevitable garner hate because he was so off everyone's radar. See: Kawhi, Giannis, etc. These guys were expected to be serviceable NBA players at best, not top 10 players.

Fans get upset when guys that were hyped & drafted high don't pan out, and guys that went #10-20 wind up being far superior. "Why didn't we know about them pre-draft? How could they be this good!?! Cannot compute!!"

Reality is that Mitchell & Markkenen are likely the only two generational talents in this draft, and they went 7 & 13. Tatum could be but I'm still not sold on that yet. But Mitch & Markk have otherworldly, transcendent abilities. They were just poorly scouted. It happens & will continue to happen.

Lol, Generational talents?

Lebron is a generational talent; Connor McDavid is a generational talent.

Those 2 players you listed are not.

[GameBredAPBT]

Mitchell will inevitable garner hate because he was so off everyone's radar. See: Kawhi, Giannis, etc. These guys were expected to be serviceable NBA players at best, not top 10 players.

Fans get upset when guys that were hyped & drafted high don't pan out, and guys that went #10-20 wind up being far superior. "Why didn't we know about them pre-draft? How could they be this good!?! Cannot compute!!"

Reality is that Mitchell & Markkenen are likely the only two generational talents in this draft, and they went 7 & 13. Tatum could be but I'm still not sold on that yet. But Mitch & Markk have otherworldly, transcendent abilities. They were just poorly scouted. It happens & will continue to happen.

Lol, Generational talents?

Lebron is a generational talent; Connor McDavid is a generational talent.

Those 2 players you listed are not.

If LeBron is a generational talent, then there has only been one or two generational talents in the history of the basketball.

C'mon now, you know what I mean.

I worded that in haste. Potentially franchise changing talents, how about. Transcendent.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Simmons is a lock for ROY. Other than scoring/shooting, he is killing Mitchell in every area. There is more to basketball than points per game.

thanks, Embiid!

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[sixerhp3]

Does everyone on this board overlook Simmons' elite defense?? Watching games and looking at the stats Simmons is going to make some all-defense teams, yet people are still saying Mitchell because Simmons is in a temporary slump..

[CoreyGallagher]

Simmons is a lock for ROY. Other than scoring/shooting, he is killing Mitchell in every area. There is more to basketball than points per game.

thanks, Embiid!

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It’s amazing the difference having Embiid, an All-Star starter, makes compared to Amir Johnson, a role player in the twilight of his career.

Also, is that graph comparing the rookies with and without Embiid and Rubio? I don’t get the relevancy of Rubio here.

[Roy The Natural]

Mitchell will inevitable garner hate because he was so off everyone's radar. See: Kawhi, Giannis, etc. These guys were expected to be serviceable NBA players at best, not top 10 players.

Fans get upset when guys that were hyped & drafted high don't pan out, and guys that went #10-20 wind up being far superior. "Why didn't we know about them pre-draft? How could they be this good!?! Cannot compute!!"

Reality is that Mitchell & Markkenen are likely the only two generational talents in this draft, and they went 7 & 13. Tatum could be but I'm still not sold on that yet. But Mitch & Markk have otherworldly, transcendent abilities. They were just poorly scouted. It happens & will continue to happen.

Lol, Generational talents?

Lebron is a generational talent; Connor McDavid is a generational talent.

Those 2 players you listed are not.

I'm not fully sure what exactly it is that separates Mitchell from Lillard as a talent, I'd wager they probably go down as similar players when it's all said and done. Neither seems like a "generational talent" to me.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Simmons is a lock for ROY. Other than scoring/shooting, he is killing Mitchell in every area. There is more to basketball than points per game.

thanks, Embiid!

viewtopic.php?p=62305778#p62305778

It’s amazing the difference having Embiid, an All-Star starter, makes compared to Amir Johnson, a role player in the twilight of his career.

Also, is that graph comparing the rookies with and without Embiid and Rubio? I don’t get the relevancy of Rubio here.

good question! the relevance is that Mitchell plays a ton of minutes with Rubio, meaning - if Rubio would go away, Mitchell would be even better than he already is.

the point being, Mitchell is being hurt significantly by Rubio, where Simmons is being helped greatly by Embiid.

[CoreyGallagher]

thanks, Embiid!

viewtopic.php?p=62305778#p62305778

It’s amazing the difference having Embiid, an All-Star starter, makes compared to Amir Johnson, a role player in the twilight of his career.

Also, is that graph comparing the rookies with and without Embiid and Rubio? I don’t get the relevancy of Rubio here.

good question! the relevance is that Mitchell plays a ton of minutes with Rubio, meaning - if Rubio would go away, Mitchell would be even better than he already is.

the point being, Mitchell is being hurt significantly by Rubio, where Simmons is being helped greatly by Embiid.

He's played 682 minutes with Rubio and is -5.6, Simmons has played 574 minutes with Bayless and is also -5.6. Both rookie guards being negatively affected by having to play with disappointing veteran Guards, that seems more comparative.

Everyone on the 76ers is helped greatly by Embiid, because Embiid is great and the alternative is Amir.

[Edrees]

I think everyone should just enjoy all the rookies and their accomplishments. Fans dont need to degrade someone else to praise their own. They all are good.

This year in comparison to last year in terms of rookies is night and day. I am honestly enjoying watching the whole crop of rookies. We may not see this many good ones again in years.

I'd honestly give any of the top 5 rookies this year last year's ROTY.

[bran muffin]

PER36 of rookies since the start of December. Minimum average of 28 mpg to qualify.

B.Simmons - 15.1 ppg @ 51.9%, 7.5 apg, 7.0 rpg

Lonzo Ball - 12.3 ppg @ 41.5%, 6.9 apg, 7.3 rpg

L.Markkanen - 19.8 ppg @ 45.8%, 8.5 rpg

B.Bogdanovic - 16.2 ppg @ 51.6%, 3.6 apg

Jayson Tatum - 15.8 ppg @ 49.8%, 6.4 rpg

D. Mitchell - 24.7 ppg @ 49.9%, 3.5 apg

Kyle Kuzma - 19.0 ppg @ 42.2%, 7.3 rpg

D. Smith Jr - 18.8 ppg @ 42.2%, 4.7 apg

This has been a ridiculously deep rookie class. The list above doesn't even include 4 of the top 6 picks of 2017: M.Fultz, J.Jackson, D.Fox, and J.Isaac. Some of whom are probably going to be late bloomers.

Any one of those guys would've easily won Rookie of the Year last season.

[username_taken]

Mitchell continues to grow on me. He's a smart guy with a great work ethic and I think he will have a DeRozan-esque progression of rapid improvement throughout his career, adding more and more facets to his game while he rounds out as a player.

[nurseryc]

Expect Mitchell’s numbers to really take a dip and come back to earth with the return of the Jazz’s best player Gobert. In today’s game at half time Mitchell has only 2 points scored and has made just 1 of 6 field goals. In comparison Gobert already has 11 points and 8 rebs on 4 of 5 shooting and leading the Jazz to be up by 6 points at half time.

[Gus McCrae]

I’m watching the game and have both Gobert and Mitchell on my fantasy team. Mitchell is having an off game and Gobert is doing dirty work. Don’t see much impact on Mitchell going forward

[nurseryc]

I’m watching the game and have both Gobert and Mitchell on my fantasy team. Mitchell is having an off game and Gobert is doing dirty work. Don’t see much impact on Mitchell going forward

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option and focal point. This results in Mitchell having a reduced impact and less shots as you want the ball in Goberts hands.

[Gus McCrae]

I’m watching the game and have both Gobert and Mitchell on my fantasy team. Mitchell is having an off game and Gobert is doing dirty work. Don’t see much impact on Mitchell going forward

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option resulting in him having a reduced impact.

You’re saying Gobert is the #1 option?

[nurseryc]

I’m watching the game and have both Gobert and Mitchell on my fantasy team. Mitchell is having an off game and Gobert is doing dirty work. Don’t see much impact on Mitchell going forward

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option resulting in him having a reduced impact.

You’re saying Gobert is the #1 option?

On the Jazz, absolutely! He’s the clear best player on your team and the person you want with the ball in their hands to score

[Gus McCrae]

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option resulting in him having a reduced impact.

You’re saying Gobert is the #1 option?

On the Jazz, Absolutely! He’s the clear best player on your team

Haha I’m only watching because I own Gobert and Mitchell in fantasy. I love me some Gobert my team is named after him and I suppose I see him slightly affecting Mitchell but on offense Mitchell is definitely the #1 option. He will lead the team in field goal attempts

[stitches]

I’m watching the game and have both Gobert and Mitchell on my fantasy team. Mitchell is having an off game and Gobert is doing dirty work. Don’t see much impact on Mitchell going forward

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option resulting in him having a reduced impact.

You’re saying Gobert is the #1 option?

I don't know why but he seems like he has some sort of axe to grind with Mitchell. I don't know if Mitchell killed his favorite pet or something, but there is nothing but trash coming out of nurseryc on Mitchell.

In what world is Gobert no. 1 option on the Jazz when he's sporting 17-18% USG, and Mitchell is at close to 30? The main problem for Mitchell when Gobert returns will not be the number of shot he gets. It will be the quality of shots because of the Rubio-Favors-Gobert Bermuda trianlge(as we call it on the Jazz board). The presence of all of those on the floor will mean Mitchell will have to work through much more clogged paints and will get much more heavily contested shots. Today's game was prime example of that.

[Gus McCrae]

I’m watching the game also. With Gobert back it has resulted in Mitchel no longer being the number one option resulting in him having a reduced impact.

You’re saying Gobert is the #1 option?

I don't know why but he seems like he has some sort of axe to grind with Mitchell. I don't know if Mitchell killed his favorite pet or something, but there is nothing but trash coming out of nurseryc on Mitchell.

In what world is Gobert no. 1 option on the Jazz when he's sporting 17-18% USG, and Mitchell is at close to 30? The main problem for Mitchell when Gobert returns will not be the number of shot he gets. It will be the quality of shots because of the Rubio-Favors-Gobert Bermuda trianlge(as we call it on the Jazz board). The presence of all of those on the floor will mean Mitchell will have to work through much more clogged paints and will get much more heavily contested shots. Today's game was prime example of that.

That I can see (and saw) for sure