The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely

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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#281 » by Ruma85 » Wed Jan 29, 2025 5:57 pm

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Big J wrote:Miami needs to just buy him out and let him go where he wants to. Don’t be like the jealous boyfriend who won’t let go.


Miami is better off not trading him at all and let his contract expire in the offseason to give Miami over $40 mil in cap space to work with for a replacement.


His not declining 52 mil.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#282 » by Ambrose » Wed Jan 29, 2025 5:58 pm

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Maybe the Heat are the a**holes for not extending him or trading him to a team that will. Jimmy probably figures he’s **** if he plays and blows out a knee before his extension.


Spoiler: They aren't.

Jimmy isn't owed a max extension.


He isn’t owed a max extension, but the Suns are willing to give him one. I’d be pissed too if I were him.


Cool. The Heat are not obligated to screw themselves to make Jimmy Butler happy. They said earn an extension, and he didn't. Then he threw a tantrum over it.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#283 » by UcanUwill » Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:07 pm

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Nate505 wrote:Counterpoint: **** him, he can play his contract out or not


Yes, I would hate if this guy gets his way and get awarded for acting like complete d-bag. I hope Heat proves their legitimacy for suspending him and he does not get a single penny for these next two years. You do not reward a**holes who think they can push around everyone in their life to get their way.


Maybe the Heat are the a**holes for not extending him or trading him to a team that will. Jimmy probably figures he’s **** if he plays and blows out a knee before his extension.


He signed a contract for another two years, he is non entitled to contract extension whenever he wants. So, you argue players can do this if they do not get contract extension when they just want one? Come on. Guy not only tries to get his way, he does this because he enjoys the fact he makes other people's situation worse, guy is an a-hole.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#284 » by Big J » Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:08 pm

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Spoiler: They aren't.

Jimmy isn't owed a max extension.


He isn’t owed a max extension, but the Suns are willing to give him one. I’d be pissed too if I were him.


Cool. The Heat are not obligated to screw themselves to make Jimmy Butler happy. They said earn an extension, and he didn't. Then he threw a tantrum over it.

And Jimmy isn’t obligated to screw himself to make the heat happy.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#285 » by Ambrose » Wed Jan 29, 2025 6:13 pm

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He isn’t owed a max extension, but the Suns are willing to give him one. I’d be pissed too if I were him.


Cool. The Heat are not obligated to screw themselves to make Jimmy Butler happy. They said earn an extension, and he didn't. Then he threw a tantrum over it.

And Jimmy isn’t obligated to screw himself to make the heat happy.


A 35 year old honoring his $50 million contract is doing his job, not screwing himself. You guys have completely lost the plot.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#286 » by Big J » Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:43 pm

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Cool. The Heat are not obligated to screw themselves to make Jimmy Butler happy. They said earn an extension, and he didn't. Then he threw a tantrum over it.

And Jimmy isn’t obligated to screw himself to make the heat happy.


A 35 year old honoring his $50 million contract is doing his job, not screwing himself. You guys have completely lost the plot.


Then he blows out his knee and doesn’t get another contract. What he is doing is protecting his future earnings. I get why he’d rather sit out than “honor his contract “.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#287 » by AleksandarN » Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:46 pm

BB to the Heat might be good for them


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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#288 » by Ambrose » Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:53 pm

Big J wrote:
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Big J wrote: And Jimmy isn’t obligated to screw himself to make the heat happy.


A 35 year old honoring his $50 million contract is doing his job, not screwing himself. You guys have completely lost the plot.


Then he blows out his knee and doesn’t get another contract. What he is doing is protecting his future earnings. I get why he’d rather sit out than “honor his contract “.


This is exactly why NBA athletes are considered by far the most entitled in the world. Thank god Pat Riley has balls.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#289 » by liquidswords » Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:56 pm

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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#290 » by Drakeem » Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:57 pm

Big J wrote:
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He isn’t owed a max extension, but the Suns are willing to give him one. I’d be pissed too if I were him.


Cool. The Heat are not obligated to screw themselves to make Jimmy Butler happy. They said earn an extension, and he didn't. Then he threw a tantrum over it.

And Jimmy isn’t obligated to screw himself to make the heat happy.
I mean, he's quite literally obligated to play for them. It's in his contract, the thing that allows him to get paid what he does.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#291 » by Big J » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:03 pm

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Big J wrote:
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Cool. The Heat are not obligated to screw themselves to make Jimmy Butler happy. They said earn an extension, and he didn't. Then he threw a tantrum over it.

And Jimmy isn’t obligated to screw himself to make the heat happy.
I mean, he's quite literally obligated to play for them. It's in his contract, the thing that allows him to get paid what he does.


Maybe, but a max contract extension is worth a helluva lot more than his current deal, so you can’t really blame him for not wanting to honor it.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#292 » by Ambrose » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:06 pm

Big J wrote:
Drakeem wrote:
Big J wrote: And Jimmy isn’t obligated to screw himself to make the heat happy.
I mean, he's quite literally obligated to play for them. It's in his contract, the thing that allows him to get paid what he does.


Maybe, but a max contract extension is worth a helluva lot more than his current deal, so you can’t really blame him for not wanting to honor it.


I absolutely can. I'm stunned you can't.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#293 » by AFM » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:08 pm

According to posters on this forum, players should sign fully guaranteed contracts then refuse to play because they might get injured and reduce future earnings.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#294 » by ImSlower » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:09 pm

Big J wrote:
Drakeem wrote:
Big J wrote: And Jimmy isn’t obligated to screw himself to make the heat happy.
I mean, he's quite literally obligated to play for them. It's in his contract, the thing that allows him to get paid what he does.


Maybe, but a max contract extension is worth a helluva lot more than his current deal, so you can’t really blame him for not wanting to honor it.


You're not making a lick of sense. He signed a contract to do a job. Now he refuses to do that job and is facing the consequences. He has not shown the professional ability to deserve a raise beyond his player option, and is now behaving like a pre-schooler. You unequivocally can blame him for not honoring his contract.

Look the dude was my second favorite Bull ever for a hot second; I would have gone to war for the guy those early seasons. But you are being totally illogical regarding this situation.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#295 » by Big J » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:16 pm

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Drakeem wrote:I mean, he's quite literally obligated to play for them. It's in his contract, the thing that allows him to get paid what he does.


Maybe, but a max contract extension is worth a helluva lot more than his current deal, so you can’t really blame him for not wanting to honor it.


You're not making a lick of sense. He signed a contract to do a job. Now he refuses to do that job and is facing the consequences. He has not shown the professional ability to deserve a raise beyond his player option, and is now behaving like a pre-schooler. You unequivocally can blame him for not honoring his contract.

Look the dude was my second favorite Bull ever for a hot second; I would have gone to war for the guy those early seasons. But you are being totally illogical regarding this situation.


There are other teams out there that are willing to max him. Sorry, but I'd do the same thing in his situation. You guys can all honor your current deal, but what happens if you blow out your knee while honoring it? Sucks for you? Well Jimmy doesn't want that to happen to him.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#296 » by Big J » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:18 pm

AFM wrote:According to posters on this forum, players should sign fully guaranteed contracts then refuse to play because they might get injured and reduce future earnings.


Difference is that the Heat have the ability to extend him and aren't doing it, while other teams would be willing to. He's not doing this at the beginning of his contract.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#297 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:18 pm

AleksandarN wrote:BB to the Heat might be good for them


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I saw a rumor of a version like this with Wiggins back to the Wolves and Randle to the Heat.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#298 » by Drakeem » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:23 pm

Big J wrote:
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Big J wrote: And Jimmy isn’t obligated to screw himself to make the heat happy.
I mean, he's quite literally obligated to play for them. It's in his contract, the thing that allows him to get paid what he does.


Maybe, but a max contract extension is worth a helluva lot more than his current deal, so you can’t really blame him for not wanting to honor it.
I 100% can because, again, he signed a contract stating that he would play to the best of his abilities for X amount of time. He didn't have to have a long contract, and could have opted for a shorter one to secure one more big deal. He took the safer route.

I get that the majority of us are anti-corporation, and for good reason, but this isn't one of those examples for us to die on this hill. Butler was considered a malcontent who arguably hurt his teams as much as he helped them. Him and Miami had a mutually beneficial relationship where he rehabbed his name value while he took the team to heights they didn't think possible with that roster. That doesn't mean you suddenly bail at the end though just because you recouped some value and want to cash in. Miami as an organization is part of the reason you're even in the convo to receive that. If you go to another team with more lax policies and rosters that either conflicted with you on a personal level or your game, and you don't make the finals twice, his value would be perceived as less.
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#299 » by zzaj » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:29 pm

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Maybe, but a max contract extension is worth a helluva lot more than his current deal, so you can’t really blame him for not wanting to honor it.


You're not making a lick of sense. He signed a contract to do a job. Now he refuses to do that job and is facing the consequences. He has not shown the professional ability to deserve a raise beyond his player option, and is now behaving like a pre-schooler. You unequivocally can blame him for not honoring his contract.

Look the dude was my second favorite Bull ever for a hot second; I would have gone to war for the guy those early seasons. But you are being totally illogical regarding this situation.


There are other teams out there that are willing to max him. Sorry, but I'd do the same thing in his situation. You guys can all honor your current deal, but what happens if you blow out your knee while honoring it? Sucks for you? Well Jimmy doesn't want that to happen to him.


I like how nobody has been able to decipher WTH is in Butler's brain for many years now, but you are apparently the only one that can.

Dude is obligated to play in NBA games per his contract as long as doctors say he is able. If he doesn't do that he gets penalized. End of story. If he were to bring this to litigation he would lose 10 times out of 10.

As an aside--as a Blazer fan who had to deal with complete saturation from lame Miami posters telling us how dumb we were for not just saying yes to their version of the Lillard for Herro nonsense...I'm enjoying every minute of the Butler saga.

Schadenfreude in full effect...
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Re: The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely 

Post#300 » by Big J » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:31 pm

zzaj wrote:
Big J wrote:
ImSlower wrote:
You're not making a lick of sense. He signed a contract to do a job. Now he refuses to do that job and is facing the consequences. He has not shown the professional ability to deserve a raise beyond his player option, and is now behaving like a pre-schooler. You unequivocally can blame him for not honoring his contract.

Look the dude was my second favorite Bull ever for a hot second; I would have gone to war for the guy those early seasons. But you are being totally illogical regarding this situation.


There are other teams out there that are willing to max him. Sorry, but I'd do the same thing in his situation. You guys can all honor your current deal, but what happens if you blow out your knee while honoring it? Sucks for you? Well Jimmy doesn't want that to happen to him.


I like how nobody has been able to decipher WTH is in Butler's brain for many years now, but you are apparently the only one that can.

Dude is obligated to play in NBA games per his contract as long as doctors say he is able. If he doesn't do that he gets penalized. End of story. If he were to bring this to litigation he would lose 10 times out of 10.

As an aside--as a Blazer fan who had to deal with complete saturation from lame Miami posters telling us how dumb we were for not just saying yes to their version of the Lillard for Herro nonsense...I'm enjoying every minute of the Butler saga.

Schadenfreude in full effect...


I doubt Jimmy cares too much about losing money on his current deal because. A. The players union will fight it and probably get most of the money back. B. By not playing he's not risking a career ending injury and jeopardizing his next deal.

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