*Update* Josh Giddey post All-Star break: 23.1 ppg, 10.9 rpg, 8.4 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.9 bpg on 65.5% TS

[NZB2323]

Giddey exposed tonight.

The Linsanity may be over.

Bulls 2-1 since that game and Giddey has these numbers:

15, 10, and 8
17, 12, and 7
15, 12, and 19

The shooting % has come back down to earth but a 22 year old having 1 bad game out of 18 doesn’t mean he’s exposed and a Jeremy Lin type player.

[dballislife]

i would wait until he does it over a whole season and on a winning team first

[FrodoBaggins]

High praise from The Kidd a couple of nights ago:

“He’s averaging a triple-double, and he can score, he can pass and he can help you with rebounds, his ability to run the pick and roll, and he has scorers around him so he can use those guys (because) he knows how to find them,” Mavs coach Jason Kidd said. “And then he’s shooting the 3 at a very high clip. He’s playing at a very high level. You can see that he’s comfortable, you can see that with the excitement at the end of the Lakers game. I think he’s comfortable playing there in Chicago.”

[Ice Man]

i would wait until he does it over a whole season and on a winning team first

Wait to say what? He's clearly a promising young player, with a chance to be an All Star. Surely we can agree on that now. Whether he does become an All Star -- a guy who can lead a contending team -- that of course remains to be seen.

[3toheadmelo]

Giddey exposed tonight.

The Linsanity may be over.

Bulls 2-1 since that game and Giddey has these numbers:

15, 10, and 8
17, 12, and 7
15, 12, and 19

The shooting % has come back down to earth but a 22 year old having 1 bad game out of 18 doesn’t mean he’s exposed and a Jeremy Lin type player.

Yep. As a knicks fan who watched Lin, Giddey is 10x better than him

[bkkrh]

He's lighting up Philly right now. 20 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, and 3 blocks with like 24 minutes left in the game.

And no one cares but you.

You post quite a lot in this thread for not caring .

Mentioned it in the offseason already, think he was traded under value for not being used right. Empty stats is a thing, but it doesn't accumulate into TS, blocks and steals and almost averaging a triple double. He can definitely be a solid contributor on a good team.

[tsherkin]

Empty stats is a thing, but it doesn't accumulate into TS, blocks and steals and almost averaging a triple double. He can definitely be a solid contributor on a good team.

This is a good point, and raises another.

"Empty stats."

What does that generally mean?

It implies crappy scoring, primarily volume, without much impact on offense. A "someone's gotta take the shots" kind of deal, and in a manner which wouldn't occur on a better team. Same same, it might indicate someone really chasing numbers, taking rebounds from teammates and such, all in a way which has diminishing returns.

Giddey isn't presently playing a role he couldn't on a better team. You put him with a big or an off-ball guy or whatever, and he can merrily chug along, so long as he maintains competent 3pt shooting as he has all season this year. He might not manage 11 rpg or whatever, but he'll still be killing it.

And for the past 23 games (22 starts), he's averaging 19.7 ppg, 9.2 rpg and 8.0 apg on 48.4 / 45.5 / 79.2.

Post ASB, so 17 games and 16 starts, 20.6 / 10.5 / 9.3, 49.2 / 46.4 / 79.8, on 61.0% TS.

The 3pt shooting is going to settle, of course, but he was shooting 34.5% even before the break. He was rough in NOV/DEC but otherwise has been shooting reasonably well all year beyond the arc.

It's still a quarter of a season, so we'll have to see what next year looks like. Short sample, tanking teams all around, etc, etc, but it's interesting to watch. We'll see if he can keep it up and have that correlate with Chicago winning.

[MakeItSplash]

Giddey exposed tonight.

The Linsanity may be over.

Bulls 2-1 since that game and Giddey has these numbers:

15, 10, and 8
17, 12, and 7
15, 12, and 19

The shooting % has come back down to earth but a 22 year old having 1 bad game out of 18 doesn’t mean he’s exposed and a Jeremy Lin type player.

Lin was also an unknown, minimum player, on the verge of being waived.

Giddey was a lottery pick and averaged 17,8,6 his second season. He didn't fit with OKC and was traded. Not the same story wise.

[Chi town]

Giddey has leveled up mainly due to way more FTs by getting all the way to the rim and drawing fouls. Hes making more 3s but still leaves quite a few on the table.

Only have one more question about him…

Can he play well against elite athletes that play physical. Bummed Camara didn’t defend him lastnight. Giddey’s struggles nearly always comes against these types of teams… DET HOU OKC.

Teams are playing him different every game. Throwing alot at him. Lakers put 3 different coverages in the same game.

Giddey is also at his best in the open court down hill. The playoffs are way more half court. Hope Bulls get a series with CLE and see what he does against long physical athletes and the twin towers rim protecting.

I do think his greatest asset is his IQ and he always seems to figure it out and make adjustments.

[gottamakeit]

Giddey has leveled up mainly due to way more FTs by getting all the way to the rim and drawing fouls. Hes making more 3s but still leaves quite a few on the table.

Only have one more question about him…

Can he play well against elite athletes that play physical. Bummed Camara didn’t defend him lastnight. Giddey’s struggles nearly always comes against these types of teams… DET HOU OKC.

Teams are playing him different every game. Throwing alot at him. Lakers put 3 different coverages in the same game.

Giddey is also at his best in the open court down hill. The playoffs are way more half court. Hope Bulls get a series with CLE and see what he does against long physical athletes and the twin towers rim protecting.

I do think his greatest asset is his IQ and he always seems to figure it out and make adjustments.

Giddey will struggle in the playoffs (as most players do) but it will help him long-term.
Putting Giddey through a playoff series this year works out well bulls organization (when it comes time to negotiate a long contract)

[He_Got_Game]

I always knew this guy had game. The Thunder just didn't have room for him. The Bulls got a steal.

[Chi town]

Kid just keeps doing it.

Still see more ceiling as he continues to develop volume on his 3 with better setup and mechanics to get a quicker shot. His handle could really improve which would make him even better as a PG. Could also see a post game in his future.

Kid is a winner. Most fun has been the way he competes and how his motor is constantly running.

[Saints14]

Bulls not extending him for like 4/$100 before the season was a mistake

[Tetlak]

Bulls not extending him for like 4/$100 before the season was a mistake

Not whatsoever. They would have been universally panned.

[DrModesty]

Bulls not extending him for like 4/$100 before the season was a mistake

Not whatsoever. They would have been universally panned.

He also wouldn't have accepted it. He said in the off season he wanted 30+

[FrodoBaggins]

The shot will come and go but what's most promising is the foul drawing. He's getting to the FT line like a completely different guy. 41.6% FTr/58.8% 2pt-FTr over 18 games since the All-Star break. 36.5% FTr/54.8% 2pt-FTr over the last 30 games.

It's a result of playing more physically and not settling for the floater. He has several qualities that make him a good foul drawer: a relatively low center of gravity, great balance, flexibility/fluidity of movement, and body control/coordination. Absorbs contact well when he initiates it. Able to slither into compromising driving angles for the defense and make subtle bodily adjustments to put himself into advantageous positions.

[FrodoBaggins]

Here's an update on the stats. We're getting some degree of stabilization as the sample size increases. This is what his stat line could look like next season with a similar cast and role.

Last 30 games:

- 32.9 mpg
- 18.6 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 7.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.7 bpg, 3.1 topg
- 43.5% 3PT (4.4 3pa/g), 51.7% 2PT (8.7 2pa/g), 79.7% FT (4.8 fta/g) (36.5% FTr/54.8% 2pt-FTr), 61.2% TS (+3.6 rTS/106.3 TS+)
- +5.2 BPM

Last 18 games (since All-Star break):

- 33.9 mpg
- 20.8 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 9.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.7 bpg, 3.3 topg
- 45.3% 3PT (4.2 3pa/g), 51.5% 2PT (10.1 2pa/g), 80.4% FT (5.9 fta/g) (41.6% FTr/58.8% 2pt-FTr), 61.5% TS (+3.9 rTS/106.8 TS+)
- +7.1 BPM

[FrodoBaggins]

Updated the previous posts with BPM. He's at +2.7 BPM for the season, +5.2 BPM over the last 30 games, and +7.1 BPM over the last 18 games. As a safe estimate, I think he can be a +4 to +6 BPM guy next season with the same role and teammate personnel. J.Kidd's best single-season mark was +6.6 and was +4.9 from 1998-99 to 2006-07.

[tsherkin]

Here's an update on the stats. We're getting some degree of stabilization as the sample size increases. This is what his stat line could look like next season with a similar cast and role.

Last 30 games:

- 32.9 mpg
- 18.6 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 7.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.7 bpg, 3.1 topg
- 43.5% 3PT (4.4 3pa/g), 51.7% 2PT (8.7 2pa/g), 79.7% FT (4.8 fta/g) (36.5% FTr/54.8% 2pt-FTr), 61.2% TS (+3.6 rTS/106.3 TS+)
- +5.2 BPM

Last 18 games (since All-Star break):

- 33.9 mpg
- 20.8 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 9.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.7 bpg, 3.3 topg
- 45.3% 3PT (4.2 3pa/g), 51.5% 2PT (10.1 2pa/g), 80.4% FT (5.9 fta/g) (41.6% FTr/58.8% 2pt-FTr), 61.5% TS (+3.9 rTS/106.8 TS+)
- +7.1 BPM

The 18/9/ 8 seems like it'll carry on. I don't think he's going to shoot 45% from 3 next year, but if he's even shooting 38%, that'll still be good enough to keep him reasonably efficient overall. He has been drawing fouls quite well. Will be very interesting to see how he performs next season.

[meekrab]

Bulls not extending him for like 4/$100 before the season was a mistake

People thought the Bulls got hosed in the trade, nobody was even talking about an extension.