NBA Finals: (2) Suns vs (3) Bucks, Part 1 | Suns lead 2-0

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so who are we getting? Cassidy? Doris?

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[spanishninja]

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so who are we getting? Cassidy? Doris?

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coo coo

[EArl]

Since I have no dog in this fight, I guess ill root for the underdogs. So go Bucks Go!

[spanishninja]

I was 8 freaking years old when i watched the suns in the finals in 93'

I am F*CKING HYPED about all this.

I dont care about the road to the finals. Or injury talk blah blah....

SUNS 4 MORE EFFIN WINS!

Congrats; your team is a -195 series favorite in Vegas which is pretty big and the consensus is Suns in 5 or 6

eh, -195 is actually not a very strong favorite. 538 has us at 69% and that's partly based on Giannis' uncertainty. Depending on when he comes back things could easily change.

[Wallace_Wallace]

Whoever wins the first road game would win in 6.

I would like the Suns to win though!

[bwgood77]

It's not like they got to play the Nets missing 2 superstars and playing like a 6 man rotation of mostly role players with KD and sometimes Harden who likely hurt the team when on the floor. They still had problems with them.

I'm not going to sit here and harp on injuries like others are, but if you're going to argue with these guys, don't drag the Bucks into it. You're right that you didn't get to play the Nets with KD and a bunch of roleplayers (even though Harden played 3 and Irving three and a half), instead you literally played the Clippers led by Paul George and a bunch of roleplayers. There's a gulf between the two even before you consider a second star actually played games. Don't be petty towards us to cover your team's ass. It's embarrassing.

I wouldn't have brought the Bucks into it if it wasn't a Bucks fan trolling the Suns that I was replying to. Harden was worthless going 1-10 in a game the Nets actually won and like 5-26 from 3 in the games he played including 2-22 in 2 of them. But aside from that their best player was Harris who went like 8-33 from 3 the last 5 games, under 25%, then outside of that they had a washed Griffin, Brown, and guys like Claxton and James off the bench.

Anyway, I wouldn't have brought that into it if the Bucks fan didn't start it and like I said in the rest of the post you cut out of your quote, they shouldn't apologize for beating up a team with multiple injured all All NBA caliber players either. That's the team that was put in front of them.

[Hsker4Life]

It's not like they got to play the Nets missing 2 superstars and playing like a 6 man rotation of mostly role players with KD and sometimes Harden who likely hurt the team when on the floor. They still had problems with them.

I'm not going to sit here and harp on injuries like others are, but if you're going to argue with these guys, don't drag the Bucks into it. You're right that you didn't get to play the Nets with KD and a bunch of roleplayers (even though Harden played 3 and Irving three and a half), instead you literally played the Clippers led by Paul George and a bunch of roleplayers. There's a gulf between the two even before you consider a second star actually played games. Don't be petty towards us to cover your team's ass. It's embarrassing.

Settle down. The Bucks path was easier, still.

Heat, Nets, Hawks

[skones]

It's not like they got to play the Nets missing 2 superstars and playing like a 6 man rotation of mostly role players with KD and sometimes Harden who likely hurt the team when on the floor. They still had problems with them.

I'm not going to sit here and harp on injuries like others are, but if you're going to argue with these guys, don't drag the Bucks into it. You're right that you didn't get to play the Nets with KD and a bunch of roleplayers (even though Harden played 3 and Irving three and a half), instead you literally played the Clippers led by Paul George and a bunch of roleplayers. There's a gulf between the two even before you consider a second star actually played games. Don't be petty towards us to cover your team's ass. It's embarrassing.

I wouldn't have brought the Bucks into it if it wasn't a Bucks fan trolling the Suns that I was replying to. Harden was worthless going 1-10 in a game the Nets actually won and like 5-26 from 3 in the games he played including 2-22 in 2 of them. But aside from that their best player was Harris who went like 8-33 from 3 the last 5 games, under 25%, then outside of that they had a washed Griffin, Brown, and guys like Claxton and James off the bench.

Anyway, I wouldn't have brought that into it if the Bucks fan didn't start it and like I said in the rest of the post you cut out of your quote, they shouldn't apologize for beating up a team with multiple injured all All NBA caliber players either. That's the team that was put in front of them.

Doranku's been around here since February 2020 and the first mention of the Bucks in his search history was May 5th. The Cleveland

[skones]

Settle down. The Bucks path was easier, still.

Heat, Nets, Hawks

Do not tell me to settle down and then continue pushing that same narrative.

[bwgood77]

I'm not going to sit here and harp on injuries like others are, but if you're going to argue with these guys, don't drag the Bucks into it. You're right that you didn't get to play the Nets with KD and a bunch of roleplayers (even though Harden played 3 and Irving three and a half), instead you literally played the Clippers led by Paul George and a bunch of roleplayers. There's a gulf between the two even before you consider a second star actually played games. Don't be petty towards us to cover your team's ass. It's embarrassing.

I wouldn't have brought the Bucks into it if it wasn't a Bucks fan trolling the Suns that I was replying to. Harden was worthless going 1-10 in a game the Nets actually won and like 5-26 from 3 in the games he played including 2-22 in 2 of them. But aside from that their best player was Harris who went like 8-33 from 3 the last 5 games, under 25%, then outside of that they had a washed Griffin, Brown, and guys like Claxton and James off the bench.

Anyway, I wouldn't have brought that into it if the Bucks fan didn't start it and like I said in the rest of the post you cut out of your quote, they shouldn't apologize for beating up a team with multiple injured all All NBA caliber players either. That's the team that was put in front of them.

Doranku's been around here since February 2020 and the first mention of the Bucks in his search history was May 5th.

Well he has a Bucks logo and maybe didn't get hyped until the playoffs were close...I don't know and didn't research his post history...just noticed he was a Bucks fan according to the teams he lists as his favorites.

[skones]

Well he has a Bucks logo and maybe didn't get hyped until the playoffs were close...I don't know and didn't research his post history...just noticed he was a Bucks fan according to the teams he lists as his favorites.

The Browns logo is about all you need to see to raise a red flag. But hey, as we all know, fans of teams say things like (on the GB, zero posts on our board) what's written below during the Brooklyn series.

Giannis is just so unskilled. Very difficult to root for

I'm going to hold you to a higher standard here given you're a global mod.

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[Hsker4Life]

Settle down. The Bucks path was easier, still.

Heat, Nets, Hawks

Do not tell me to settle down and then continue pushing that same narrative.

Settle down.

A Bucks fan was sarcastically trolling the Suns, and you got upset with a Suns fan pointing out the Bucks’ path. That makes no sense.

And yes, the Bucks have had the easier path to this point.

[bwgood77]

Well he has a Bucks logo and maybe didn't get hyped until the playoffs were close...I don't know and didn't research his post history...just noticed he was a Bucks fan according to the teams he lists as his favorites.

The Browns logo is about all you need to see to raise a red flag. But hey, as we all know, fans of teams say things like (on the GB, zero posts on our board) what's written below during the Brooklyn series.

Giannis is just so unskilled. Very difficult to root for

I'm going to hold you to a higher standard here given you're a global mod.

There are tons of fans with logos of other NFL teams than their Suns one...heck, mine for example, having grown up a Chargers fan before the Cardinals were in AZ. I think most Suns fans are not even Cardinals fans..or maybe half.

In Milwaukee it might be different since it's not a huge transplant state and the Packers have been their forever.

Anyway, there are fans of a lot of teams that only post on the GB for whatever reason and after Feb 2020 there wasn't much to post about after the season stopped and then 4 1/2 months later the bubble started and the Bucks unfortunately were disappointing (and I was pulling for them). I've actually been pulling for them in the east this whole season.

Just found it odd that a Bucks logo guy is bashing the Suns for being forced to play teams with injuries when the same thing holds true for the team he has listed. Just a rebuttal and obviously something I wouldn't just bring up.

[skones]

Settle down. The Bucks path was easier, still.

Heat, Nets, Hawks

Do not tell me to settle down and then continue pushing that same narrative.

Settle down.

A Bucks fan was sarcastically trolling the Suns, and you got upset with a Suns fan pointing out the Bucks’ path. That makes no sense.

And yes, the Bucks have had the easier path to this point.

He is not a Bucks fan, as previously stated. Please follow along.

but k. cool. Our first round matchup featured a 6 seed (not a 7), a team that was in the finals last year, and they were completely healthy. We swept. You faced a battered 7 seed who made the finals and didn't. Kevin Durant was better than any player than you'd face throughout your path to the playoffs. In fact, I'll sit here and just say the Nets would have beaten Denver because we're just tossing around arbitrary things like "easier." Tell me how many times you didn't have home court advantage and had to go on the road, in a game 7, against two perennial MVP candidates and win in overtime. And then you faced noted playoff choker Paul George in the conference finals and STILL almost went down? And you're sitting there having the audacity to call anyone's path easier?

I can spin things too, so it's best you just give it up and don't.

[Hsker4Life]

Do not tell me to settle down and then continue pushing that same narrative.

Settle down.

A Bucks fan was sarcastically trolling the Suns, and you got upset with a Suns fan pointing out the Bucks’ path. That makes no sense.

And yes, the Bucks have had the easier path to this point.

He is not a Bucks fan, as previously stated. Please follow along.

but k. cool. Our first round matchup featured a 6 seed (not a 7), a team that was in the finals last year, and they were completely healthy. We swept. You faced a battered 7 seed who made the finals and didn't. Kevin Durant was better than any player than you'd face throughout your path to the playoffs. In fact, I'll sit here and just say the Nets would have beaten Denver because we're just tossing around arbitrary things like "easier." Tell me how many times you didn't have home court advantage. And then you faced noted playoff choker Paul George in the conference finals and STILL almost went down? And you're sitting there having the audacity to call anyone's path easier?

I can spin things too, so it's best you just give it up and don't.

You’re reeling.

Lakers > Heat. That includes the Lakers without AD. And the Heat were not “completely healthy”. They traded Bradley and Olynyk for Oladipo. Did you forget that? Hint: Oladipo didn’t play in the playoffs.

Nets without Kyrie and Harden would beat the Nuggets without Murrey? It’s possible. But the Nuggets knew they would be without Murrey for a long time. They prepared for it.

And the Hawks? Without Trae Young? Without Deandre Hunter?

Any criticism you or anyone else supporting a Bucks avatar may give PHX for their path, that exact same criticism can be applied to Milwaukee’s path. I’m sorry that upsets you.

[Mrakar]

Its a 50-50 matchup, i don't think there are favourites even though i slightly lean on Bucks side(with healthy Giannis from at least G2) even though u root for Suns. They are big and very good on defense. It will be hard for CP3 and Booker to play against Holiday, i think especialy for CP3 because of the size, and he is not quick anymore to get pass people who are bigger than him. Anything can happen of course, we all know offensive struggles of Bucks lineup. Suns will need more from Booker in this series and of course a lot of will depend on role players 3pt shooting. I trust more Bridges/Crowder/Johnson than Tucker/Lopez/Connaughton but they are all streaky so who knows...

[homecourtloss]

Hawks play very small size wise. I just don’t think Lopez is a great rebounder that’s pretty much it.
We out rebounded them too, we just forgot that we were big lol

We’ll see how this finals series go.

One, Lopez, again, is superb on the defensive glass, and this can't really be debated at this point.

On/Off DRB%
20-21: +2
19-20: +1.9
18-19: +1.5
17-18: +1.7
16-17: +3.2
15-16: +3.9
14-15: +2.7
13-14: +2.8
12-13: +1.5
11-12: +.6
10-11: -.2
09-10: +.5
08-09: +4.6

Ayton, meanwhile, was -4.2 DRB% this season. He grabs offensive rebounds which make him look better, and that happens to be a major strength for Milwaukee. You're just not making a whole lot of sense here.

Re: Atlanta, they start two traditionally sized frontcourt players when most teams have gone smaller. They certainly do not play "very small size wise." Meanwhile, the Sixers are started a guy the size of a traditional wing at the 4 in Harris. What?

Dude let’s be real Hawks are tiny on their playstyle. Collins was a non factor for a long while. Bucks are big and so is the Sixers.

Ben, Harris, Embiid, Howard we’ve been too top heavy if anything. Our guards are small that’s it. Hawks have tiny tiny guards let’s not forget that.
Thybulle and Green, Hill on the wings. Dude Sixers are big lol

The poster listed 13 seasons worth of data and 20,000 minutes and you’re talking about Atlanta? Look at his post—while Lopez is on court, his teams defensively rebound better. Most of the seasons see his teams 2% higher in DRB% and 2% is significant. The 10th best defensive rebounding this season vs. the 27th best was separated by 2%.

[skones]

You’re reeling.

Lakers > Heat. That includes the Lakers without AD. And the Heat were not “completely healthy”. They traded Bradley and Olynyk for Oladipo. Did you forget that? Hint: Oladipo didn’t play in the playoffs.

Nets without Kyrie and Harden would beat the Nuggets without Murrey? It’s possible. But the Nuggets knew they would be without Murrey for a long time. They prepared for it.

And the Hawks? Without Trae Young? Without Deandre Hunter?

Any criticism you or anyone else supporting a Bucks avatar may give PHX for their path, that exact same criticism can be applied to Milwaukee’s path. I’m sorry that upsets you.

Ok, more spin.

The Lakers were 19-17 without AD. That's not better than the Heat.

Oh look, weakness and inconsistency in your own argument. The Heat weren't healthy because they didn't have Oladipo, but the Nuggets prepared for Murray.

Right, man, it was almost as if we had a back to back MVP sitting on the shelf for two straight games and then ultimately knocked out the healthier Atlanta team in game 6 on the road. Sheesh.

The last sentence? ITS LITERALLY THE POINT IM MAKING. You're sitting there opening the door for anyone to walk right in and call the title you could win a complete fraud based upon circumstance. I didn't do that to Toronto. I didn't do that to LA. I don't do it, because those excuses say nothing other than, "My team wasn't good enough to be there and I'm salty." A ring is a ring.

I'm not reeling at all, I just understand the context of this more than you do and recognize that it's a fruitless endeavor to argue the merits of which "path is easier" but here you are anyway, trying to stir the pot and applying things one way without doing so the other. That's subjective and it's biased. I can literally do this all day, and I'm sure you could to. It's why I don't say stupid **** like, "yours was easier" to make me feel better out of insecurity. It's you who needs to settle down. Have some class and enjoy the finals.

[otmshank1]

Can we all please stop with the injury narratives? Both teams won series against injured teams, had injuries of their own, and will have to deal with injuries in this series. That happens every year and neither team's success should be discounted because of it.