Shams: Nikola Jokic Named 2023-24 NBA MVP

[RB34]

Are you new to the NBA? It's a regular season award.

What you do in the playoffs doesn't mean ****.

Why would it matter is he get swept then?

When did I say it would matter?

When you quoted me?

[Slade3]

Why would it matter is he get swept then?

When did I say it would matter?

When you quoted me?

I quoted you saying others haven't done **** in the playoffs. I'm saying playoffs don't matter for MVPs. Try to keep up.

[GeorgeSears]

Players should care and want to win an MVP. Only 36 players in NBA history have one, so it puts you in exclusive company. As for who deserved MVP.

I would go 1. Jokic 2. Luka 3. Shai - all had tremendous years.

The edge for me is that Jamal Murray missed 23 games, and the Nuggets still ended up only losing the no.1 seed due to a tiebreaker. If Murray played in a few more of those games, they easily get that no.1 spot. Jokic played well enough to keep them afloat.

Luka would get no.2 because Kyrie missing almost 30 games this season, and they made it to the 5th seed.

[RB34]

When did I say it would matter?

When you quoted me?

I quoted you saying others haven't done **** in the playoffs. I'm saying playoffs don't matter for MVPs. Try to keep up.

See the original post I quoted.

[Calvin Klein]

Sometimes people need to accept what the majority thinks. This is why there's a vote for the awards. And that's why Shaq has only 1 MVP. Deal with it.

The majority believed in slavery for a time. The majority can be and often is wrong.

Check the first word of my post.

[JustBuzzin]

Westbrook has a MVP. Harden has a MVP.

At the end of the day people judge the greats by championships.

The more MVP's Jokic wins people are going to expect more championships. It's going to look real crazy if this guy has 6 MVP's and only 1 championship.

[Calvin Klein]

Why is it so difficult to understand the difference between regular season and playoffs?

[Sixers in 4]

Name a team with five starting players better than Jokic maybe only the Wolves are deeper. Yes, there are guys in spots who are better but it is an extremely deep good starting lineup.

Murray.
Porter.
Gordon.
KCP.

Comeon now. Most teams would kill to have that starting lineup behind their star. I would as a Sixer fan I mean Maxey is great but the rest of our lineup was hot trash.

Where the Nuggets biggest weakness is their bench. Their GM keeps trading away talented bench guys and pretending it doesn't matter.

Benches matter a lot. But how about OKC?

Holmgren
Dort (OK he's a weak spot maybe)
Williams
Giddy

Boston

Holiday
Brown
White
Horfod/Porzingis

Bucks
Lillard
Lopez
Portis
Middleton

The Nuggets fit extremely well together and it's hard to argue against that synergy. But if we're just talking who's talent there are multiple teams.

Other than potentially Boston who I overlooked I am not taking either of those rosters. Lillard was terrible most of the regular season and the rest of that lineup is washed.

I like OKC but that starting lineup doesn't have the same firepower which is why SGA had to average like 30 PPG.

[Cubbies2120]

Westbrook has a MVP. Harden has a MVP.

At the end of the day people judge the greats by championships.

The more MVP's Jokic wins people are going to expect more championships. It's going to look real crazy if this guy has 6 MVP's and only 1 championship.

I think this will be his last MVP until he wins another title. He could go 30/13/11 next season and they'll find another player to give a consolation prize to if Jokic flames out in the playoffs. Last season, he essentially had his MVP gifted to Embiid because voters didn't want to give him a 3rd MVP without a title. He then went on to have the most ridiculous playoff run in NBA history (30/14/10 for 20 games) and this year's MVP was a toss up where voters rewarded him for a GOAT run.

[SonicMcMahon]

Weren't the 76ers flaming out in the 2nd round with a starting lineup of Embiid/Simmons/Butler/Redick? Now that was an elite starting lineup that couldn't even reach the ECF

That one was on Bret Brown. The ‘ers completely smothered the Raptors at the end of game 7, but he couldn’t draw up a single offensive play to save his life. Yeah, ‘Biid was both hobbled and had a GI bug, but Jimmy, as usual, was clutch down the stretch, and it took Leonard’s brilliant 4-banger over the over-rated Simmons to seal the deal, and go on to win the title. Bret had failed to develop unicorn Ben, but was resigned by the clueless Harris, who agreed to deal Butler for dassing to call it like it is. Bret went on to pass on SGA, while trading a decent homegrown PF, who we could have used, for the star-crossed, positionless Zhaire.

I’d love to get Jimmy back together with ‘Biid, now with Maxey and Nurse, but hate to think what Pat would charge.

As a Raps fan, those Sixers were probably the scariest opponent of the whole run. The defense was ridiculous and no Raptor not named Kawhi or Marc Gasol had a good series. Check out Van Vleet's splits that round OMG.

[dhsilv2]

Name a team with five starting players better than Jokic maybe only the Wolves are deeper. Yes, there are guys in spots who are better but it is an extremely deep good starting lineup.

Murray.
Porter.
Gordon.
KCP.

Comeon now. Most teams would kill to have that starting lineup behind their star. I would as a Sixer fan I mean Maxey is great but the rest of our lineup was hot trash.

Where the Nuggets biggest weakness is their bench. Their GM keeps trading away talented bench guys and pretending it doesn't matter.

Benches matter a lot. But how about OKC?

Holmgren
Dort (OK he's a weak spot maybe)
Williams
Giddy

Boston

Holiday
Brown
White
Horfod/Porzingis

Bucks
Lillard
Lopez
Portis
Middleton

The Nuggets fit extremely well together and it's hard to argue against that synergy. But if we're just talking who's talent there are multiple teams.

Other than potentially Boston who I overlooked I am not taking either of those rosters. Lillard was terrible most of the regular season and the rest of that lineup is washed.

I like OKC but that starting lineup doesn't have the same firepower which is why SGA had to average like 30 PPG.

Terrible take...just beyond words bad. OKC and Boston are for example way better defensive teams. SGA just scores...but anyway...

[Sixers in 4]

Benches matter a lot. But how about OKC?

Holmgren
Dort (OK he's a weak spot maybe)
Williams
Giddy

Boston

Holiday
Brown
White
Horfod/Porzingis

Bucks
Lillard
Lopez
Portis
Middleton

The Nuggets fit extremely well together and it's hard to argue against that synergy. But if we're just talking who's talent there are multiple teams.

Other than potentially Boston who I overlooked I am not taking either of those rosters. Lillard was terrible most of the regular season and the rest of that lineup is washed.

I like OKC but that starting lineup doesn't have the same firepower which is why SGA had to average like 30 PPG.

Terrible take...just beyond words bad. OKC and Boston are for example way better defensive teams. SGA just scores...but anyway...

Boston I will give you.

As far as the rest goes you want to talk about bad takes you are talking about defensive teams as it relates to a MVP trophy. Like what does that have to do with anything. Noone is winning MVP trophies because of how good at defense their teammates are.

That is literally the worst answer in the thread.

[LeBronSpaghetti]

Does anyone have that graphic showing all MVPs since 1984 and their supporting cast ranked by how many all stars, all nba, and all defense players they played with? I can only find the one with the names blacked out but I want to see the one that has all the names showing.

[dhsilv2]

Other than potentially Boston who I overlooked I am not taking either of those rosters. Lillard was terrible most of the regular season and the rest of that lineup is washed.

I like OKC but that starting lineup doesn't have the same firepower which is why SGA had to average like 30 PPG.

Terrible take...just beyond words bad. OKC and Boston are for example way better defensive teams. SGA just scores...but anyway...

Boston I will give you.

As far as the rest goes you want to talk about bad takes you are talking about defensive teams as it relates to a MVP trophy. Like what does that have to do with anything. Noone is winning MVP trophies because of how good at defense their teammates are.

That is literally the worst answer in the thread.

MVP's are HIGHLY skewed to team success. Defense 100% correlates with winning. What are you talking about? Yeah your teammates playing great defense helps you win MVP's.

[Alatan]

Name a team with five starting players better than Jokic maybe only the Wolves are deeper. Yes, there are guys in spots who are better but it is an extremely deep good starting lineup.

Murray.
Porter.
Gordon.
KCP.

Comeon now. Most teams would kill to have that starting lineup behind their star. I would as a Sixer fan I mean Maxey is great but the rest of our lineup was hot trash.

Where the Nuggets biggest weakness is their bench. Their GM keeps trading away talented bench guys and pretending it doesn't matter.

Benches matter a lot. But how about OKC?

Holmgren
Dort (OK he's a weak spot maybe)
Williams
Giddy

Boston

Holiday
Brown
White
Horfod/Porzingis

Bucks
Lillard
Lopez
Portis
Middleton

The Nuggets fit extremely well together and it's hard to argue against that synergy. But if we're just talking who's talent there are multiple teams.

Other than potentially Boston who I overlooked I am not taking either of those rosters. Lillard was terrible most of the regular season and the rest of that lineup is washed.

I like OKC but that starting lineup doesn't have the same firepower which is why SGA had to average like 30 PPG.

Terrible Lilard is still better than Murray. Midleton is better than MPJ and Lopez is better than AG. Only KCP is an upgrade.

[AleksandarN]

Does anyone have that graphic showing all MVPs since 1984 and their supporting cast ranked by how many all stars, all nba, and all defense players they played with? I can only find the one with the names blacked out but I want to see the one that has all the names showing.

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[LeBronSpaghetti]

Does anyone have that graphic showing all MVPs since 1984 and their supporting cast ranked by how many all stars, all nba, and all defense players they played with? I can only find the one with the names blacked out but I want to see the one that has all the names showing.

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Yes I’ve seen this one. But as I said I was hoping to see this chart without all the names blacked out.

[HotRocks34]

Does anyone have that graphic showing all MVPs since 1984 and their supporting cast ranked by how many all stars, all nba, and all defense players they played with? I can only find the one with the names blacked out but I want to see the one that has all the names showing.

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Yes I’ve seen this one. But as I said I was hoping to see this chart without all the names blacked out.

Here's the original picture, although it looks like Haberstroh may have updated it slightly.

[HotRocks34]

Belgrade, Serbia

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[rzzzzz]

Holy smokes - I love all the spins you threw in there. Blame Bret - check. Blame Simmons - check. You now say you'd love to see what Embiitch/Maxey/Butler with Nurse as a coach would do. Like, how much help does Embiid need?

Jokic just won a title without a single all-star, all-D, or all-NBA player and we're sitting here talking about the 76ers wanting to stack the deck with 3 all-stars and likely HOFers + Nurse for a chance at a title.

I needed the laugh today, so thank you!

Jokic had very good support around him, who you really shouldn’t denigrate. But I wish Embiid had half of his resilience.

Do you remember when Bret sat McConnell when he was setting the Celtics back on the heels, for the sake of Ben’s fragile confidence? That’s why folks say he got rid of Jimmy (though it really was because Jimmy was a much better coach).
But, itf you’re a Bret and Simmons fanboy, you’re welcome to them, at fire sale prices at this point.