Lin feeling disrespected?

[E-Balla]

It's both.

So when they did the same thing to Beverley was it because they thought he was asian? This isn't the first time they've done this you know...

The number was partially hidden that you can't really tell if it's really Bev's number. Not to mention they aren't trading the guy (and he already know he is the starting PG on the team) and he would gladly give up his number for Dwight to come to town. I think it's safe to say they are on good term, am I right? While I would like to think Les' isn't a dumb person (because some of his businesses have tie to China), I don't think it's unfair if some other people feel the way they do with how the organization handled Jeremy Lin.

I think it's a completely classless move. Just not racist. They chased Asik out and if Beverley was making Lin's money they would've chased him out just the same.

[msg4k90]

lin needs to get out of houston. why are people hating on lin''s money?!?! the houston rockets overpaid him in the first place.

[Ironman7]

should rename this thread to "Knicks and Rockets fans bash on Lin"

[Vator]

Classy, as a moderator on the Rockets forum.

Rockets fan...not Jeremy Lin fan (worshiper)

I say he is overpaid (which he is) and that he is a bad fit (which he is) and you try to insult me lol. Now that is classy.

You make his point by throwing out hyperbolic statements ("worshiper") and acting childish.

I honestly don't expect you to understand what I meant by worshiper. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but Lin's fans are some of the most rabid fans I've ever seen in my life. True NY Knick fans and true Houston Rockets fans who were, are, and will continue to be fans of those teams whether or not Jeremy Lin is around know and whatever team he goes to next will eventually find out as well unless Lin is given the starting PG spot and plays significant minutes during the game and in the 4th quarter. Lin's mere presence on the team has been a divisive force within the internet fan base for various reasons. It started originally with him being compared to Kyle Lowry and Goran Dragic by Rockets fans, his supporters insistence that he was one of the top PGs in the NBA and was being held back to which there was always some kind of statistical analysis to support this notion, and eventually spiraled into claims of things such as bullying by his teammates and racial discrimination. I'm just done. No offense to him. I think he is a good player and an even better person, but yeah...

[BallerTalk]

And if Beverly were Asian and Lin were African American, Lin would be starting and would get more respect from his teammates and fans, and trust from the coaching staff. Watching what transpired in Houston this year there is no other logical explanation aside from racism.

I can only guess you haven't watched many Rockets games or at least not with an objective eye.
Beverley was clearly the right choice for starter and it had absolutely nothing to do with race.

In addition, fan's distaste for Lin has developed over the two seasons he has been a Rocket. If it were race based wouldn't it have been there from day one?
From what I have experienced, most Rockets fans have no quarrel with Lin as a person. Their issue is with his uneven (and often underwhelming) play and, to a lesser extent, the annoying members of his fan-base.

[tbytc]

Classless move by Houston.

This.

Obviously you say this, you want him in Chicago. The reality is that Lin hasn't played up to his contract, so why would he expect his employer to be happy with him?

You don't give pg the ball, what can he do on offense?
On defensive end, he is too busy to cover for all those lazy ass in Rocket.

[baki]

His stats are on par with most guys making 8M/year (those guys are starters whereas he's coming off the bench), if you average out his contract it comes to 8M a year over 3 seasons. Don't let the selective 15M per year argument cloud your judgement to think that he should be playing like a 15M player all along coming off the bench.

Was that gif necessary? Just adds to the bitter tone of the message.

He will be overpaid to whomever trades for him. The Rockets paid him 10 million for 2 years and will have to compensate the team that takes him for this very reason.

I thought the gif was funny. I understand this is a sore spot for you, but I think some people are being overly sensitive. That is an opinion that many other people share and that I'm more than entitled to. Perhaps the 2 years of listening to people whining and complaining about how people are treating Jeremy Lin poorly has gotten to me and I'm glad that it is almost over (hopefully). The very fact that this happened to Bev a year ago and it wasn't a RealGM topic and a headline on ESPN frustrates and annoys me to no end. I wish more of his fans embodied the same virtues and qualities that he seems to exude, but that hasn't been the case.

Who are you?

Disappointing comments coming from a moderator, a random post proved that Howard's pictures were done up with more class and in respect of Beverley (a bench player) and you go out to try and undermine what they did to Lin. If Lin himself felt disrespected then why do you matter?

Never saw you actively on the Houston board and why is Hayden considered active Lin fan when I'm pretty much the only guy defending Lin there.

[marcusaurelius]

Lin is a solid, middle of the road, point guard. He has a specific skill set and needs to be on the right team for him to be very useful. He is determined and a hard worker, and has a very inspirational story. The guy was sleeping on someone's couch. I wish the guy the best and that he can get on a team that can use his skills. If he does, I think that he can be quite productive.

I am really beginning to question the competence of the Morey/McHale team. Seems like Morey is a real wheeler/dealer, but isn't so good at understanding how to match players to team needs. You have to understand how players' skills will fit together as a team, which is easier said than done. He doesn't appear that good at it to me.

McHale hasn't really impressed me that much either. He was a championship level big man, but can't figure out how to use Asik and Howard. Or Lin either.

[baki]

Rockets fan...not Jeremy Lin fan (worshiper)

I say he is overpaid (which he is) and that he is a bad fit (which he is) and you try to insult me lol. Now that is classy.

You make his point by throwing out hyperbolic statements ("worshiper") and acting childish.

I honestly don't expect you to understand what I meant by worshiper. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but Lin's fans are some of the most rabid fans I've ever seen in my life. True NY Knick fans and true Houston Rockets fans who were, are, and will continue to be fans of those teams whether or not Jeremy Lin is around know and whatever team he goes to next will eventually find out as well unless Lin is given the starting PG spot and plays significant minutes during the game and in the 4th quarter. Lin's mere presence on the team has been a divisive force within the internet fan base for various reasons. It started originally with him being compared to Kyle Lowry and Goran Dragic by Rockets fans, his supporters insistence that he was one of the top PGs in the NBA and was being held back to which there was always some kind of statistical analysis to support this notion, and eventually spiraled into claims of things such as bullying by his teammates and racial discrimination. I'm just done. No offense to him. I think he is a good player and an even better person, but yeah...

If there are soooo many Lin fans here driving you nuts then name them.

Some of the so-called Lin fans on RealGM are also some of the classiest posters here.

[13th Man]

Beverley is probably a better supporting guard to Harden as he caters to Harden on offense and tries to cover for him on defense. My guess is that on any other team, Lin would be starting over Bev.

Anyways, Lin will be gone soon enough, no need to disect into who's the better player or better fit on this team, it's been done to death. I like Patrick Beverley and wish him the best.

[Vator]

His stats are on par with most guys making 8M/year (those guys are starters whereas he's coming off the bench), if you average out his contract it comes to 8M a year over 3 seasons. Don't let the selective 15M per year argument cloud your judgement to think that he should be playing like a 15M player all along coming off the bench.

Was that gif necessary? Just adds to the bitter tone of the message.

He will be overpaid to whomever trades for him. The Rockets paid him 10 million for 2 years and will have to compensate the team that takes him for this very reason.

I thought the gif was funny. I understand this is a sore spot for you, but I think some people are being overly sensitive. That is an opinion that many other people share and that I'm more than entitled to. Perhaps the 2 years of listening to people whining and complaining about how people are treating Jeremy Lin poorly has gotten to me and I'm glad that it is almost over (hopefully). The very fact that this happened to Bev a year ago and it wasn't a RealGM topic and a headline on ESPN frustrates and annoys me to no end. I wish more of his fans embodied the same virtues and qualities that he seems to exude, but that hasn't been the case.

Who are you?

Disappointing comments coming from a moderator, a random post proved that Howard's pictures were done up with more class and in respect of Beverley (a bench player) and you go out to try and undermine what they did to Lin. If Lin himself felt disrespected then why do you matter?

Never saw you actively on the Houston board and why is Hayden considered active Lin fan when I'm pretty much the only guy defending Lin there.

Why do so many people throw out the moderator card when they disagree with your opinion? I don't understand that. I guess we're not entitled to an opinion like everybody else? I'm not insulting people or trying to belittle them because they don't agree with me. Yet somehow I've disappointed you. Ok

Case in point. You've been a member since February. You say things like "who are you" and "why do you matter" when that has nothing to do with making your point. No need to result to personal attacks.

[tbytc]

So if Anthony doesn't come to Houston, you've got a pissed off player. Just seems like there's a circus atmosphere in Houston, revolving door of players in and out.

+1

What happens if Melo doesn't sign with Houston?

rockets go after love probably..

who cares if we get a pissed off lin...he sucked in the postseason and he is average. i like canaan's potential anyway compared to Lin. Lin is replaceable

Talking about having bad games in postseason from a Harden fan, LOL
Harden played like trash the last 2 postseason, played zero defense, terrible field goal percentage, extremely bad shot selection and you accepted that?

[markdeez33]

Should've stayed with the Knicks, Jeremy. You were a God in NY!!

[Bill Bradley]

Rockets fan...not Jeremy Lin fan (worshiper)

I say he is overpaid (which he is) and that he is a bad fit (which he is) and you try to insult me lol. Now that is classy.

You make his point by throwing out hyperbolic statements ("worshiper") and acting childish.

I honestly don't expect you to understand what I meant by worshiper. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but Lin's fans are some of the most rabid fans I've ever seen in my life. True NY Knick fans and true Houston Rockets fans who were, are, and will continue to be fans of those teams whether or not Jeremy Lin is around know and whatever team he goes to next will eventually find out as well unless Lin is given the starting PG spot and plays significant minutes during the game and in the 4th quarter. Lin's mere presence on the team has been a divisive force within the internet fan base for various reasons. It started originally with him being compared to Kyle Lowry and Goran Dragic by Rockets fans, his supporters insistence that he was one of the top PGs in the NBA and was being held back to which there was always some kind of statistical analysis to support this notion, and eventually spiraled into claims of things such as bullying by his teammates and racial discrimination. I'm just done. No offense to him. I think he is a good player and an even better person, but yeah...

That stuff about "true" fans is honestly just childish and I would hope that mods wouldn't be making divisive comments like that but I understand that there is not a maturity threshold for RealGM posters or mods. Lin is not the divisive force- you are.

Basketball is a sport and there are all different kinds of fans. Fans who began to follow the team since Lin joined deserve just as much respect as you or anyone else. And some fans, who I found to be perfectly rational and logical, who were more likely than others to use actual stats to support their arguments, felt like Lin was getting the shaft by McHale and the coaching staff. It doesn't make them rabid or irrational or deserving of any of the vitriol they received on Clutchfans or any other site. The Clutchfans admin and mods such as yourself perpetuate hatred of other fans and create divisions using and allowing use of terms such as LOF and such. Really it's just childish, bullying, and hateful and if you have a moderator role, you should strive to rise above it.

I don't really care enough to get into a drawn out debate about it, and I guess I shouldn't expect more from sports boards, but I just don't like to see online bullying behavior over such silliness and wish that people treated each other better.

[tbytc]

Dude you got paid based off 2 weeks of play, STFU

Also I will never forget the idiot Knicks fans that actually wanted Melo to defer to Jeremy Lin.

Yah what did melo do last season?
Can't even make to the playoff in EAST?
2 weeks? Lin still could be starting for a lot of teams.

[13th Man]

You make his point by throwing out hyperbolic statements ("worshiper") and acting childish.

I honestly don't expect you to understand what I meant by worshiper. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but Lin's fans are some of the most rabid fans I've ever seen in my life. True NY Knick fans and true Houston Rockets fans who were, are, and will continue to be fans of those teams whether or not Jeremy Lin is around know and whatever team he goes to next will eventually find out as well unless Lin is given the starting PG spot and plays significant minutes during the game and in the 4th quarter. Lin's mere presence on the team has been a divisive force within the internet fan base for various reasons. It started originally with him being compared to Kyle Lowry and Goran Dragic by Rockets fans, his supporters insistence that he was one of the top PGs in the NBA and was being held back to which there was always some kind of statistical analysis to support this notion, and eventually spiraled into claims of things such as bullying by his teammates and racial discrimination. I'm just done. No offense to him. I think he is a good player and an even better person, but yeah...

If there are soooo many Lin fans here driving you nuts then name them.

Some of the so-called Lin fans on RealGM are also some of the classiest posters here.

I think that Vator is muddling Lin fans here and his fans from another site which has equally if not more obnoxious posters from the other side of the spectrum including the site owner. I notice that he is generally more reserved with his opinions as a Rocket moderator but does let the cat out of the bag with this thread.

[RRFB]

I just don't understand the need to put up a giant picture of Melo in a Rockets jersey. The Bulls did it too. Do they really think that picture is going to convince Melo to sign there? Why is it so important to have the number 7 on the jersey? Would Melo have refused to sign if they used #15 or just left the number off altogether? The whole thing is silly when you look at it logically.

I'd be pissed too if I was Lin. For the last year, he's had to listen to people saying the Rockets will dump him if Melo agrees to come to Houston. Now they hang up a picture of him in Lin's jersey? Talk about a slap in the face. It was Morey's dumb idea to offer that contract in the first place, you can't blame Lin for signing it.

[RTran85]

Who cares what Lin thinks or feels. Melo > Lin

[Alfred]

Everyone so sensative nowadays, smh...

Why does it seem like the only people who think this is okay are Rockets fans?

[tbytc]

LOL ok

Was I wrong? Did Houston not get slapped around by Aldridge?

So you type in "LOL" as if it did not happen?

You don't remember this LOL worthy moment?



..Cause I do.

LOL.

I was actually talking bout your first sentence about how free agents shouldnt consider Houston based on this Lin situation.


Plus you are a Raptors fan. Enjoy being mediocre in the weak East for years to come.

Talking about mediocre from a Rocket fan. LOL
Rocket only made it to the second round once for the last 15-20 years. How do you feel about that?