Hawks are 17-24. What's happening?

[NatiboyB]

Almost every season in the NBA we see a team who usually catches fire in the playoffs or has a better than expected regular season record. It increases expectations forces coaches and players to be resigned keeps a GM in position longer etc.

But the next season they come right back to their normal level of production. The Hawks were that team. I’ve seen it happen with the Blazers, Hornets, Knicks, Celtics, Mavs, Pacers, Magic, 76ers, Raptors, Wizards, Kings in the past few seasons. I have a belief that my Cavs are that team this season.

[Pachinko_]

We're blaming the Hawks D entirely on Trae, but I think Bogdanovic also has a big share of responsibility. His D looks misleading because he does move fairly well and stays with his guy, and he has this massive wingspan, but he doesn't actually do much with it. Doesn't swipe, doesn't push, doesn't block the lane, he's pretty passive and soft and guys often go right through him. I think he gets targeted a lot when he's on the floor.

[DroseReturnChi]

They’ve definitely quit on McMillan.. kinda ironic cause they quit on Pierce before that.. they need to do some serious soul searching with the next coaching hire as well as make some roster moves

nah they quit bc they all got paid. heurter, collins. trade all the roster and retool.
also using hawks ecf record to prove trae is superior to doncic was one of the most unintellectual discussion.

[DroseReturnChi]

They play 4 on 5 defensively. That's how they have a bottom 3 defence every year except last year. If you have bad defence, you usually are not good. Sometimes the answers are obvious.

It's a simple sport.

& that’s exactly why they’re losing. Trae’s offence doesn’t make up for for his atrocious defence.

You could legitimately make an argument for Trae being the worst NBA defender of all time.

trae is steph 2.0. but a more consistent version because he doesnt gamble on 3s and gets 10 assists and at least 20pts a night.
not a concidence hawks fo are from gs and trying to imitate how they hid steph behind green. but finding one is tough trae will not win a ring without green's caliber. shows how lucky steph is.

[chrismikayla]

We're blaming the Hawks D entirely on Trae, but I think Bogdanovic also has a big share of responsibility. His D looks misleading because he does move fairly well and stays with his guy, and he has this massive wingspan, but he doesn't actually do much with it. Doesn't swipe, doesn't push, doesn't block the lane, he's pretty passive and soft and guys often go right through him. I think he gets targeted a lot when he's on the floor.

There are a lot of turnstiles on defense with the Hawks from the starters to the bench.


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[NDaATL]

We're blaming the Hawks D entirely on Trae, but I think Bogdanovic also has a big share of responsibility. His D looks misleading because he does move fairly well and stays with his guy, and he has this massive wingspan, but he doesn't actually do much with it. Doesn't swipe, doesn't push, doesn't block the lane, he's pretty passive and soft and guys often go right through him. I think he gets targeted a lot when he's on the floor.

Bogi is awful on defense, this isn't just a this season thing, he plays with his hands down and lets guys go right by him. Pretty much everyone on the team outside of Capela, Okongwu and Hunter are awful defenders. And Hunter/Okongwu have both missed more than half the season. Trae isn't great either but he's not historically bad as some make him out to be. We can generally hide him on the opposing teams worst backcourt offensive player. The problem is our other players are crappy defenders too so it doesn't really make a difference.

[NYKnickerbocker]

They play 4 on 5 defensively. That's how they have a bottom 3 defence every year except last year. If you have bad defence, you usually are not good. Sometimes the answers are obvious.

It's a simple sport.

& that’s exactly why they’re losing. Trae’s offence doesn’t make up for for his atrocious defence.

You could legitimately make an argument for Trae being the worst NBA defender of all time.

trae is steph 2.0. but a more consistent version because he doesnt gamble on 3s and gets 10 assists and at least 20pts a night.

its not really gambling If you smacking them at a 43% clip like Steph has for his career lol. Trae hasn’t come close to sniffing 40 for a season

[chrismikayla]

Also last year Capela was super awesome on defense and covering up for the awful perimeter defenders. When he’s active and one hundred percent the Hawks are a much better team. I don’t think he’s been 100 percent but a handful of games. When the Hawks were on a winning streak earlier in the year CC looked like his old self. For a good example check out the close out game against the Knicks. He absolutely dominated and altered so many shots it was ridiculous.

https://youtu.be/JTJH2oBhb_A


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[CP War Hawks]

Hawks probably accelerated the process one year too early and could have tanked last season. Spending all that money on Bogi and Gallo wasn't ideal. The team doesn't have one 7 footer on the roster.

Cavs, Bulls, Wiz, and Tor all have taken a step or two up from last season. I have no doubt the Hawks will catch the 7-10 teams by years end but it's not worth it to get slaughtered in the 1st round vs positioning for a top 10 pick.

[CoachD]

Almost every season in the NBA we see a team who usually catches fire in the playoffs or has a better than expected regular season record. It increases expectations forces coaches and players to be resigned keeps a GM in position longer etc.

But the next season they come right back to their normal level of production. The Hawks were that team. I’ve seen it happen with the Blazers, Hornets, Knicks, Celtics, Mavs, Pacers, Magic, 76ers, Raptors, Wizards, Kings in the past few seasons. I have a belief that my Cavs are that team this season.

You can remove the Raptors from that list because that literally never happened to them.

Raps never had a single big over achieving season and then came back crashing down

Let's remember that without Kawhai they were the #2 team in the NBA prior to the nba shutdown

[Clyde Frazier]

Petty rivalry with the hawks aside, it's wild how many hawks fans want McMillan gone after they were gushing about him last season. Didn't realize that was a thing until a few days ago.

[Zenzibar]

Petty rivalry with the hawks aside, it's wild how many hawks fans want McMillan gone after they were gushing about him last season. Didn't realize that was a thing until a few days ago.

You thought we were the only ones with some drama queens on our board? No disrespect to drama queens...

[Pelon chingon]

We're blaming the Hawks D entirely on Trae, but I think Bogdanovic also has a big share of responsibility. His D looks misleading because he does move fairly well and stays with his guy, and he has this massive wingspan, but he doesn't actually do much with it. Doesn't swipe, doesn't push, doesn't block the lane, he's pretty passive and soft and guys often go right through him. I think he gets targeted a lot when he's on the floor.

That's why I didn't lose any sleep when McNair didn't match his salary (do to Vlade overpaying Buddy).

[NatiboyB]

Almost every season in the NBA we see a team who usually catches fire in the playoffs or has a better than expected regular season record. It increases expectations forces coaches and players to be resigned keeps a GM in position longer etc.

But the next season they come right back to their normal level of production. The Hawks were that team. I’ve seen it happen with the Blazers, Hornets, Knicks, Celtics, Mavs, Pacers, Magic, 76ers, Raptors, Wizards, Kings in the past few seasons. I have a belief that my Cavs are that team this season.

You can remove the Raptors from that list because that literally never happened to them.

Raps never had a single big over achieving season and then came back crashing down

Let's remember that without Kawhai they were the #2 team in the NBA prior to the nba shutdown

2009-2010

[CoachD]

Almost every season in the NBA we see a team who usually catches fire in the playoffs or has a better than expected regular season record. It increases expectations forces coaches and players to be resigned keeps a GM in position longer etc.

But the next season they come right back to their normal level of production. The Hawks were that team. I’ve seen it happen with the Blazers, Hornets, Knicks, Celtics, Mavs, Pacers, Magic, 76ers, Raptors, Wizards, Kings in the past few seasons. I have a belief that my Cavs are that team this season.

You can remove the Raptors from that list because that literally never happened to them.

Raps never had a single big over achieving season and then came back crashing down

Let's remember that without Kawhai they were the #2 team in the NBA prior to the nba shutdown

2009-2010

huh? they were under .500

[ChuckChilly]

I put a big chunk of this on Trae, but only about half of it. He needs to get smarter. Its like everything he does out there is on instinct, whether its scoring or passing. He doesn't think about the flow of the offense, shot selection, or making sure that his teammates gets touches to keep them interested on both ends of the court.

Unless we go the Iverson route, surrounding him with nothing but defensive players, I dont think we'll ever consistently win with him running the show. Not until he matures his game outside of what he already does best.

The other half of the blame goes on the team and the coach. There doesn't seem to be any kind of organized plan or sense of urgency going on. Maybe Hunter and Okongwu will help change that, but someone on the squad has to be willing to do the dirty work and be a spark on the defensive end.

[The KnicksFix]

Trae is fake hustle. Can’t launch yourself into defenders to draw fouls anymore. He doesn’t give anything to you on defense. On offense he would run pick and roll with Capela and stop on a dime to initiate fake fouls. You can’t do that anymore and he can’t launch himself into people trying to shoot from 35 feet out. Defense is a wash. They don’t guard anyone.

That hawk team is just not that good

[meekrab]

You can remove the Raptors from that list because that literally never happened to them.

Raps never had a single big over achieving season and then came back crashing down

Let's remember that without Kawhai they were the #2 team in the NBA prior to the nba shutdown

2009-2010

huh? they were under .500

And Bosh left for the Heatles so even if 40 wins was "overachieving" you can't blame the guys who were left in 2011.

[God Squad]

Trae is fake hustle. Can’t launch yourself into defenders to draw fouls anymore. He doesn’t give anything to you on defense. On offense he would run pick and roll with Capela and stop on a dime to initiate fake fouls. You can’t do that anymore and he can’t launch himself into people trying to shoot from 35 feet out. Defense is a wash. They don’t guard anyone.

That hawk team is just not that good

You sound Salty af. Then why couldn't the Knicks stop him or the hawks? TBH I thought both teams overachieved.

[BarryLird]

Trae is fake hustle. Can’t launch yourself into defenders to draw fouls anymore. He doesn’t give anything to you on defense. On offense he would run pick and roll with Capela and stop on a dime to initiate fake fouls. You can’t do that anymore and he can’t launch himself into people trying to shoot from 35 feet out. Defense is a wash. They don’t guard anyone.

That hawk team is just not that good

You sound Salty af. Then why couldn't the Knicks stop him or the hawks? TBH I thought both teams overachieved.

Because with Robinson being injured we had nobody to stop Clint Capela who killed the Knicks in that series. Mitch would have shut their pick and roll down. Not saying the Knicks would have won the series, but Mitch being injured played a huge part.