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HoopsterJones wrote:Jokic is ridiculously good. Best player in the planet. But I think SGA is likely to win the MVP if he keeps playing at this level and OKC keeps winning at the same rate.
playa-hater wrote:HoopsterJones wrote:Jokic is ridiculously good. Best player in the planet. But I think SGA is likely to win the MVP if he keeps playing at this level and OKC keeps winning at the same rate.
Probably true. But Joker is way ahead of whoever is 2nd best IMO.
RRR3 wrote:playa-hater wrote:HoopsterJones wrote:Jokic is ridiculously good. Best player in the planet. But I think SGA is likely to win the MVP if he keeps playing at this level and OKC keeps winning at the same rate.
Probably true. But Joker is way ahead of whoever is 2nd best IMO.
He's not way ahead of SGA, it's debatable whether he's been more impactful at all, nothing bears out him being "way ahead" of SGA. Jokic is going to keep getting pushback if people keep saying ridiculous stuff like this.
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Not sure why folks are still confused about the purpose of the MVP award. It’s not offensive player of the year, and it’s also not best player in the NBA. If it were, there wouldn’t be much conversation to have. But it’s not.
RRR3 wrote:It is absurd to claim Jokic has been clearly better than SGA this year. There's no impact stats bearing out Jokic being clearly better, some of them are even favoring SGA. Jokic plays poor defense and SGA plays very good defense, that matters.
Very funny to me how in the past Jokic fans (rightly) pointed out his superior impact stats to Embiid when there was a debate between the two but now that SGA has the edge in multiple impact stats Jokic is STILL "clearly better" because uh...vibes?
BigGargamel wrote:Christmas day was the last time Jokic was not 1 or 2 rebounds or assists from a triple double. Only two times in January was he 1 assist shy of a triple double.
Look at these stat lines.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3112335/nikola-jokic
Jokic in January
27.2 ppg
14.1 rpg
10.9 apg
2.3 spg (poor defense LMAO)
0.8 bpg
41.4 3PT%
56.1 FG%
86 FT%
2.0 TOPG
I've never seen anything like it.
The Nuggets are going to win 50 games again, maybe even more. If the Thunder don't have at least 15 wins more than the Nuggets this race SHOULD be over. SGA has 1 more ppg, sligthly more stocks, but Jokic leads in everything else. Nobody has really cared about defense when it comes to MVP..except now, of course. Because they have to grasp at straws. I get people are tired of Jokic winning every year, but it's really not all that close. And for anyone calling Jokic a "poor" defender..I mean, that hasn't been the case for years, but sure. Gotta bend the facts to try to make your narrative make sense. I see a lot of SGA supporters bringing up that he's the leading scorer in the NBA and that's important, as if Jokic isn't breathing right down his neck. Just stick to the team record, that's the only real argument there is.
BigGargamel wrote:Christmas day was the last time Jokic was not 1 or 2 rebounds or assists from a triple double. Only two times in January was he 1 assist shy of a triple double.
Look at these stat lines.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3112335/nikola-jokic
Jokic in January
27.2 ppg
14.1 rpg
10.9 apg
2.3 spg (poor defense LMAO)
0.8 bpg
41.4 3PT%
56.1 FG%
86 FT%
2.0 TOPG
I've never seen anything like it.
The Nuggets are going to win 50 games again, maybe even more. If the Thunder don't have at least 15 wins more than the Nuggets this race SHOULD be over. SGA has 1 more ppg, sligthly more stocks, but Jokic leads in everything else. Nobody has really cared about defense when it comes to MVP..except now, of course. Because they have to grasp at straws. I get people are tired of Jokic winning every year, but it's really not all that close. And for anyone calling Jokic a "poor" defender..I mean, that hasn't been the case for years, but sure. Gotta bend the facts to try to make your narrative make sense. I see a lot of SGA supporters bringing up that he's the leading scorer in the NBA and that's important, as if Jokic isn't breathing right down his neck. Just stick to the team record, that's the only real argument there is.
BigGargamel wrote:Christmas day was the last time Jokic was not 1 or 2 rebounds or assists from a triple double. Only two times in January was he 1 assist shy of a triple double.
Look at these stat lines.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3112335/nikola-jokic
Jokic in January
27.2 ppg
14.1 rpg
10.9 apg
2.3 spg (poor defense LMAO)
0.8 bpg
41.4 3PT%
56.1 FG%
86 FT%
2.0 TOPG
I've never seen anything like it.
The Nuggets are going to win 50 games again, maybe even more. If the Thunder don't have at least 15 wins more than the Nuggets this race SHOULD be over. SGA has 1 more ppg, sligthly more stocks, but Jokic leads in everything else. Nobody has really cared about defense when it comes to MVP..except now, of course. Because they have to grasp at straws. I get people are tired of Jokic winning every year, but it's really not all that close. And for anyone calling Jokic a "poor" defender..I mean, that hasn't been the case for years, but sure. Gotta bend the facts to try to make your narrative make sense. I see a lot of SGA supporters bringing up that he's the leading scorer in the NBA and that's important, as if Jokic isn't breathing right down his neck. Just stick to the team record, that's the only real argument there is.
-Luke- wrote:Whoever finishes 2nd, it's one of the best - probably the best - non-MVP season of all-time.
RRR3 wrote:It is absurd to claim Jokic has been clearly better than SGA this year. There's no impact stats bearing out Jokic being clearly better, some of them are even favoring SGA. Jokic plays poor defense and SGA plays very good defense, that matters.
Very funny to me how in the past Jokic fans (rightly) pointed out his superior impact stats to Embiid when there was a debate between the two but now that SGA has the edge in multiple impact stats Jokic is STILL "clearly better" because uh...vibes?
RRR3 wrote:It is absurd to claim Jokic has been clearly better than SGA this year. There's no impact stats bearing out Jokic being clearly better, some of them are even favoring SGA. Jokic plays poor defense and SGA plays very good defense, that matters.
Very funny to me how in the past Jokic fans (rightly) pointed out his superior impact stats to Embiid when there was a debate between the two but now that SGA has the edge in multiple impact stats Jokic is STILL "clearly better" because uh...vibes?
RRR3 wrote:It is absurd to claim Jokic has been clearly better than SGA this year. There's no impact stats bearing out Jokic being clearly better, some of them are even favoring SGA. Jokic plays poor defense and SGA plays very good defense, that matters.
Very funny to me how in the past Jokic fans (rightly) pointed out his superior impact stats to Embiid when there was a debate between the two but now that SGA has the edge in multiple impact stats Jokic is STILL "clearly better" because uh...vibes?
