LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer?

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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#41 » by aol4532 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:41 pm

SlowPaced wrote:
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Winsome Gerbil wrote:Funny on the LaMarcus Cousins front BTW:

LaMarcus Aldridge 36.6min 23.2pts (.478 .800) 10.0reb 2.7ast 1.1stl 0.8blk 1.9TO
DeMarcus Cousins 30.7min 22.6pts (.492 .719) 10.4reb 2.7ast 1.7stl 1.3blk 3.4TO


The one stat that really matters:

18-4
6-13


DeMarcus doesn't have Nicolas Batum, Damian Lillard and Wesley Matthews.


Don't forget Robin Lopez. Never underestimate the impact of a role playing defensive center. Bynum only plays limited minutes and you can see his impact. If he could play 30 min, he'd be another Hibbert(and might even outplay Hibbert if they meet, which is why it's best that the Pacers avoid the Cavs, because after Hibbert and Bynum, the rest of the cast aren't too much of a difference), the Cavs are easily a playoffs team.

All the Kings need is a defensive center to see a noticeably rise in wins. Jason Thompson is the worst kind of big to pair with Cousins, because they don't protect the rim, or spread the floor. Cousins is NOT a center. If he's your center, then you need Duncan and KG next to him, otherwise, your defense will never be good enough to win a championship, that is unless you pair him with Lebron and Wade.
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#42 » by E-Balla » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:43 pm

dodongo wrote:
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jowglenn wrote:Dude if they could team him up with Paul Paul (the Paul George / Chris Paul hybrid) that team would be unstoppable.

James James though (James Harden / LeBron James hybrid)


Anthony Anthony (Anthony Davis + Melo Anthony) would be quite good, IMO?


Anyway back to the topic, yeah Marcus Cousin played really well for the Kyoto Hannaryz, they were able to knock the off the defending champs, the Ryukyu Golden Kings. He'll probably be a BJ League Hall of Famer in the future.

Anthony Anthony legitimately could be GOAT if he could stay healthy. Actually I'll go and say this is the best hybrid no one talks about.
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#43 » by Nyphantom » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:44 pm

GC Pantalones wrote:
dodongo wrote:
BBall Loyalty wrote:James James though (James Harden / LeBron James hybrid)


Anthony Anthony (Anthony Davis + Melo Anthony) would be quite good, IMO?


Anyway back to the topic, yeah Marcus Cousin played really well for the Kyoto Hannaryz, they were able to knock the off the defending champs, the Ryukyu Golden Kings. He'll probably be a BJ League Hall of Famer in the future.

Anthony Anthony legitimately could be GOAT if he could stay healthy. Actually I'll go and say this is the best hybrid no one talks about.


Anthony Anthony is not better than Anthony Durant.
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#44 » by batmana » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:47 pm

I thought this was one of those hypothetical players - a blend of LaMarcus Aldridge/DeMarcus Cousins. You get plenty of these threads (though I guess mainly in the Player Comparison board).

A LaMarcus Cousins could make the Hall of Fame if he doesn't land on an organization as poor as the Sacramento Kings.

Still, a better lock for the Hall of Fame - Blake Love. Unlimited range and nasty dunks while leading the league in rebounding... Gimme some of that!
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#45 » by dirkforpres » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:02 pm

This thread is gold.
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#46 » by Rosque » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:05 pm

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Rosque wrote:Cousins is actually better than LMA. /nogreenfont

Slow down there he has a much higher ceiling than LMA but by no means is he better than him right now

I'm gonna use per/36 just because...

COUSINS - ALDRIDGE - CATEGORY
49.2% - 47.8% - FG%
9 - 5.1 - FTA
71.1% - 80% - FT%
3 - 2 - Offensive RB
9.2 - 7.7 - Defensive RB
12.2 - 9.8 - Total RB
3.2 - 2.6 - AST
2 - 1.2 - Steals
1.5 - 0.8 - Blocks
4 - 1.8 - Turnovers
5 - 1.6 - Personal Fouls
26.3 - 22.7 - Points per game

So Cousins is better than Aldridge in 9 categories. Aldridge is better in FT% and in lower turnovers and personal fouls. The latter two indicating that he is more concetrated player and can stay longer on the floor due to low foul count. I give advantage to Cousins because he gives you a more complete contribution.

ADVANCED

COUSINS - ALDRIDGE - CATEGORY

26.1 - 23.3 - PER
54.5% - 52.3% - TS%
49.2% - 47.8% - eFG%
34.9% - 28.8% - Usage%
104 - 110 - Offensive Rating
99 - 103 - DRTG
0.9 - 1.9 - Offensive Win Shares
1 - 1 - DWS
1.9 - 2.9 - WS
.161 - .175 - WS/48

Obviously Cousins has better PER but only due to higher usage rating, because PER likes players with higher usage rating(hence why best PER players are those with most touches, and there are no players like Tony Allen who are beast on defensive end but erratic, to say the least, on the offensive eng and they get no calls played for them). Aldridge posts higher OFRTG which makes him more intelligent player in my eyes, a more serviceable player. But we can't take that without context, right? Nope. Kings are awful team and they struggle to score and that's why he has lower OFRTG. But that doesn't excuse him for being lesser player team-wise on the offensive end. On the defensive end though, Cousins is better than LMA by 5 points. And that just showes he is better team defender than LMA even though LMA has Lopez besides him. Consequently with OFRTG so is Offensive win shares in favor of LMA. Overall WS is in favor, again, of LMA. Making him better player for his TEAM. Not individually. Here LMA takes the throne over Cousins.

SHOTCHARTS

First is Cousins and second is LMA

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As you can see DeMarcus operates mostly inside the restricted area and LMA LOVES that mid range-long two. LMA preffers the left side over right. Cousins' shoots most of his shots from the post - between the FT line and the basket. He is better at finishing at the basket but lesser shooter from the mid by 6 percent. Close(area between FT line and restricted area) is won by LMA by 2.6%. But since Cousins took 60 shots more inside restricted area and since he shoots 0.9% better he has better FG%. Also LMA took 180 more shots from the mid and DC took 19 more from the close area. This just shows more versatility from LMA - and good shot selection by DC. Cousins opts to take close shots instead taking long jumpshots because he doesn't excel at taking them. Unlike JSmoove who has potential to be top 5 PFs in the game if he starts taking smarter shots.

After all it's all about personal preference. Cousins is better at steals, blocks, PPG, rebounding and passing while LMA gives you more variety on offensive end and DMC is better on the defensive end. I choose DMC. Because I loved his game ever since he got in the NBA. If only he gets his frickin head straight he could be only player in the NBA capable of 25-13 on daily basis at the center position.
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#47 » by Shem » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:48 pm

What I find amusing is that the OP who made this confusion has more And1's than posts.
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#48 » by qianlong » Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:58 pm

Great fan of Cousins, he has all the tools. I wanted to trade noah for him last year when we was still seen as a bit of a headcase. The best thing is that i think he can still get a lot better. Some maturity and experience will help him on defense, avoiding silly fouls, and on offense. Post play is an art that takes time to master.

Everybody is clamoring Paul George to be the best player of that draft, but even though he is now it wouldn't surprise me if Cousins reaches the same level.
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#49 » by maximusss » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:23 pm

DMC (i guess LMC?) is only 23 as well, really looking forward to see him develop (22/10 this year in just 31 mins). these next gen big guys like Drummond/Anthony Davis/LaMarcus are really exciting to watch

also, looking at this thread, i never even realised these before lol:

Lebron James Harden
Carmelo Anthony Davis
Chris Paul George
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Re: DeMarcus Aldridge. Future hall of famer? 

Post#50 » by omfgitseric » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:36 pm

Sorry guys, I'm a little loopy from finals right now. I didn't notice the typo until now.
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Re: DeMarcus Aldridge. Future hall of famer? 

Post#51 » by TripleMKE » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:45 pm

omfgitseric wrote:Sorry guys, I'm a little loopy from finals right now. I didn't notice the typo until now.
Fixed.

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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#52 » by monopoman » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:08 pm

Rosque wrote:
T-Blazin1995 wrote:
Rosque wrote:Cousins is actually better than LMA. /nogreenfont

Slow down there he has a much higher ceiling than LMA but by no means is he better than him right now

As you can see DeMarcus operates mostly inside the restricted area and LMA LOVES that mid range-long two. LMA preffers the left side over right. Cousins' shoots most of his shots from the post - between the FT line and the basket. He is better at finishing at the basket but lesser shooter from the mid by 6 percent. Close(area between FT line and restricted area) is won by LMA by 2.6%. But since Cousins took 60 shots more inside restricted area and since he shoots 0.9% better he has better FG%. Also LMA took 180 more shots from the mid and DC took 19 more from the close area. This just shows more versatility from LMA - and good shot selection by DC. Cousins opts to take close shots instead taking long jumpshots because he doesn't excel at taking them. Unlike JSmoove who has potential to be top 5 PFs in the game if he starts taking smarter shots.


LMA takes those shots by a product of the offense they run,the rest of the team attacks the rim and/or shoots a 3. Aldridge is the mid-range vampire he takes about 90+% of every mid-range shot the team takes, on a game to game basis. These shots are the ones they are leaving open, due to teams being forced to either stop 3's or prevent easy buckets around the rim. Again looking at these numbers without analyzing the attempted offense is doing a disservice to Aldridge.

Other's could indeed take those shots but they give it to their best mid-range shooter which at this point is Aldridge. They also utilize this to attempt to force people out to defend LMA further away from the basket.

Claiming that his shot selection is poor because the offense gives him wide open looks around the mid-range is a farce. If you watch 4+ blazer games you will see why LMA is taking those shots, assuming you pay attention to the shots others are taking.
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Re: DeMarcus Aldridge. Future hall of famer? 

Post#53 » by Imon » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:13 pm

Yeah ... troll thread.

Might as well change the title to "LaGriffin Carter - Best Dunker Ever?"
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Re: DeMarcus Aldridge. Future hall of famer? 

Post#54 » by ReaLiez » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:15 pm

LMAO

i dont think either DeMarcus Aldridge or LaMarcus Cousins will make the HOF
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#55 » by truth18 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:32 pm

Prime Pau Pierce is the goat.
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#56 » by dike77 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:34 pm

I take prime Dirk Duncan over Paul Paul, James James or Pau Pierce...
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#57 » by EArl » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:39 pm

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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#58 » by Imon » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:41 pm

dike77 wrote:I take prime Dirk Duncan over Paul Paul, James James or Pau Pierce...


No, obviously Dirkeem Nolajuwon is the ultimate player.
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#59 » by TheGameWinner » Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:47 am

Mind blown. What did I just read in the title?
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Re: LaMarcus Cousins. Future hall of famer? 

Post#60 » by EArl » Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:04 am

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