FMVP vs MVP

[SkyHookFTW]

I'm sure he'd trade the MVP for a ring. I doubt he'd trade it to be another Jerry West to win the finals MVP but lose.

That is the only time that has happened. You're really reaching, lol.

You're right it just happened once, but you're connecting the award to the ring which isn't the question. Would you rather be 2015 curry or 2014 Leonard?

I'd rather be Kawhi on 2014, but being Curry in 2015 is damn good. Besides, seeing your earlier post about the best player not getting FMVP, there are a number of times the RS MVP went to someone who probably shouldn't have got it, so it's a wash on both ends. Given that, I'll take the ring.

Also, I'm' connecting the ring to the FMVP because in only one instance did the winner of the FMVP not win the ring. Whether you like it or not, winning one almost always means winning the other, and every athlete I have even known from grade school to the pros wants to win that championship.

[dhsilv2]

That is the only time that has happened. You're really reaching, lol.

You're right it just happened once, but you're connecting the award to the ring which isn't the question. Would you rather be 2015 curry or 2014 Leonard?

I'd rather be Kawhi on 2014, but being Curry in 2015 is damn good. Besides, seeing your earlier post about the best player not getting FMVP, there are a number of times the RS MVP went to someone who probably shouldn't have got it, so it's a wash on both ends. Given that, I'll take the ring.

Also, I'm' connecting the ring to the FMVP because in only one instance did the winner of the FMVP not win the ring. Whether you like it or not, winning one almost always means winning the other, and every athlete I have even known from grade school to the pros wants to win that championship.

Why would you want to be a guy not seen as a top 15 player in the league but the finals MVP over a guy who was no worse than 5th in the league?

I agree everyone wants to win a championship but effectively all you're saying is you want to win a title with that connection.

David Robinson didn't get a finals MVP. Do you think he'd trade in his MVP for it in say 99? I doubt he would, he got his rings and played a key part in getting them.

And sure the MVP isn't always given the right guy, but you're among the absolute best in the league if you get it. Many of the guys I mentioned were never that. Good quality allstars for the most part, a few good 2nd team all nba types. Many weren't even first team all nba guys.

[phanman]

I voted FMVP because it means you won a chip . I'm sure that wasn't the premise of the thread but its hard to ignore that addition.

They are both equally as rewarding but ask any player who has one and not the other and they'd most likely say they'd swap it for one another (eI'm sure Giannis would trade one of his MVPs for a FMVP, Curry his unanimous MVP for a FMVP etc)

[OdomFan]

wow at the poll. The whole point of the season is to reach the playoffs so that a team can work on trying to reach and then win a championship. So I'd say that alone makes the Finals MVP more meaningful. To do all of that work to get to the Finals then leading your team to the series win.

[loserX]

For all the playoff mvp proponents, does that automatically go to the a player on the winning team?

IMHO it shouldn't. That kind of thinking is what can devalue the Finals MVP as it is now. Fortunately this is not a rule, just a convention some people share, but I still don't care for it.

[Fadeaway_Jumper]

How can the regular season MVP be more important than the finals MVP when you have:

Tanking teams
Players sitting for rest
The league had to come out and fine teams for guys not playing in the regular season to get them to play
Players literally sitting regular season games to stay healthy for the playoffs

The players know that playoffs are where legacies are made... Real GM is lost lol

[AdriLaker]

I voted FMVP because it means you won a chip . I'm sure that wasn't the premise of the thread but its hard to ignore that addition.

They are both equally as rewarding but ask any player who has one and not the other and they'd most likely say they'd swap it for one another (eI'm sure Giannis would trade one of his MVPs for a FMVP, Curry his unanimous MVP for a FMVP etc)

No no, it's fine! You can consider every legit argument you want of course...in fact, that's what i said in the 1st message...FMVP means 99% that you're a champion and that alone it's enough for beat the regular season MVP...BUT!!! it's not the same a MVP for 82 games than a MVP for 7 max... soooo, at the end it depends on what every person really values xD

[Down3223]

reg season mvp's are harder to get

but

finals mvps matter when it comes to goat/mnt rushmore talk

[AdriLaker]

The fact that there is even a thread on this is one of realgm's all time SMH moments.

Wait what? are u blaming me for make this poll? or maybe are u blaming the others because the answer is too evident for u?

[Winsome Gerbil]

How can the regular season MVP be more important than the finals MVP when you have:

Tanking teams
Players sitting for rest
The league had to come out and fine teams for guys not playing in the regular season to get them to play
Players literally sitting regular season games to stay healthy for the playoffs

The players know that playoffs are where legacies are made... Real GM is lost lol

Greatness is measured by MVPs because MVP is largely an individual award (I say largely because voters have long fudged in a team component).

Finals MVp has exactly jack and squat to do with your individual ability, and everything to do with your team's ability. Giannis will never win a Finals MVP because he's in Milwaulkee, while which ever group of disloyal dogs decides to team up next will have somebody win one because they got all the talented players to play together. It means little.

And you will NEVER ever have a MVP who's not a Top 10 player at worst, and almost certainly a Top 5 player. A Finals MVP though can be any dude who gets hot for 4 games, or has a good matchup against a single opponent, or just one big game at a key point while no teammate dominated.

This board's FMVP fascination is both mysterious and embarrassing. It means nothing. It means you won a title. Or more accurately, that your team did. Congrats. But Derek Fisher has 3 of them, and Robert Horry about 5 I think.

It's only half a step off of saying that a Coach of the Finals award would be more meaningful than COY.

[Clear.]

1. Championship
2. MVP (101 voters)
3. FMVP (11 voters)

Teams when championships

Players for the most part win awards.

[Bank Shot]

Danny Green was one Ray Allen miss away from winning FMVP.

MVP by a mile.

[Tacoma]

It depends on how the question is phrased.

The OP phrased it as "what's a better achievement?" Phrased as this, I'd say MVP because it covers 82 games against all competition and you have to be the best all season. The FMVP only covers 1 playoff series of 4-7 games and you could win it by being on a hot streak like Iggy.

However, if the question was phrased as which would I rather have? Then it's FMVP because, as many already noted, the FMVP is almost always the one with the Championship ring.

[Fadeaway_Jumper]

How can the regular season MVP be more important than the finals MVP when you have:

Tanking teams
Players sitting for rest
The league had to come out and fine teams for guys not playing in the regular season to get them to play
Players literally sitting regular season games to stay healthy for the playoffs

The players know that playoffs are where legacies are made... Real GM is lost lol

Greatness is measured by MVPs because MVP is largely an individual award (I say largely because voters have long fudged in a team component).

Finals MVp has exactly jack and squat to do with your individual ability, and everything to do with your team's ability. Giannis will never win a Finals MVP because he's in Milwaulkee, while which ever group of disloyal dogs decides to team up next will have somebody win one because they got all the talented players to play together. It means little.

And you will NEVER ever have a MVP who's not a Top 10 player at worst, and almost certainly a Top 5 player. A Finals MVP though can be any dude who gets hot for 4 games, or has a good matchup against a single opponent, or just one big game at a key point while no teammate dominated.

This board's FMVP fascination is both mysterious and embarrassing. It means nothing. It means you won a title. Or more accurately, that your team did. Congrats. But Derek Fisher has 3 of them, and Robert Horry about 5 I think.

It's only half a step off of saying that a Coach of the Finals award would be more meaningful than COY.

Lebron had all your measures of Greatness in Cleveland. The cavaliers were a perennial #1 seed, he had multiple MVPs and he was recognized across the globe as a great.

Why did he leave for Miami then?

[phanman]

Taking a look at past 20 winners with arguably the better player in bold:

2020: MVP Giannis & FMVP LeBron
2019: MVP Giannis & FMVP Kawhi
2018: MVP Harden & FMVP Durant
2017: MVP Westbrook & FMVP Durant
2016: MVP Curry & FMVP LeBron => This year i'd considered it a tie
2015: MVP Curry & FMVP Iggy
2014: MVP Durant & FMVP Kawhi
2013: MVP & FMVP LeBron
2012: MVP & FMVP LeBron
2011: MVP Rose & FMVP Dirk
2010: MVP LeBron & FMVP Kobe
2009: MVP LeBron & FMVP Kobe
2008: MVP Kobe & FMVP Pierce
2007: MVP Dirk & FMVP Parker
2006: MVP Nash & FMVP Wade
2005: MVP Nash & FMVP Duncan
2004: MVP KG & FMVP Billups
2003: MVP & FMVP Duncan
2002: MVP Duncan & FMVP Shaq
2001: MVP Iverson & FMVP Shaq
2000: MVP & FMVP Shaq

Relatively even.

[Jadoogar]

7 games vs 82. answer seems obvious.
Iguodala was never the best player in the league.

[EArl]

MVP has a larger sample size so it makes sense that it is worth more. They should really make a playoffs MVP more than likely though, the team that went to the finals would win it, but at least the sample size would be bigger.

[EArl]

How can the regular season MVP be more important than the finals MVP when you have:

Tanking teams
Players sitting for rest
The league had to come out and fine teams for guys not playing in the regular season to get them to play
Players literally sitting regular season games to stay healthy for the playoffs

The players know that playoffs are where legacies are made... Real GM is lost lol

Greatness is measured by MVPs because MVP is largely an individual award (I say largely because voters have long fudged in a team component).

Finals MVp has exactly jack and squat to do with your individual ability, and everything to do with your team's ability. Giannis will never win a Finals MVP because he's in Milwaulkee, while which ever group of disloyal dogs decides to team up next will have somebody win one because they got all the talented players to play together. It means little.

And you will NEVER ever have a MVP who's not a Top 10 player at worst, and almost certainly a Top 5 player. A Finals MVP though can be any dude who gets hot for 4 games, or has a good matchup against a single opponent, or just one big game at a key point while no teammate dominated.

This board's FMVP fascination is both mysterious and embarrassing. It means nothing. It means you won a title. Or more accurately, that your team did. Congrats. But Derek Fisher has 3 of them, and Robert Horry about 5 I think.

It's only half a step off of saying that a Coach of the Finals award would be more meaningful than COY.

You can definitely argue that the MVP is also this, but obviously to a lesser degree. Generally speaking the MVP goes to the best player on the best team. This is why a lot of people have been arguing against Jokic due to his teams success.

[Myth]

I'd rather have Curry's 2015 than Iggy's.