No NBA Lockout Coming

[bbalnation]

Fans stanning hard against millionaires for the benefit of billionaires is a concept in society I have a hard time grasping.

Even more so, in this thread, when it means that us as fans get to see our favorite players play for an extended period of time. Lol.

There is always a troll post about how fans should side with the players. Because the players care so much about the fans.....

I assume I’m one Of those trolls or Stans...but to me it not fans against players against owners against players....

I assume most of us are adults and work in for profit organizations. No organization can survive if there is an imbalance between company owner and workforce and if the employees don’t respect the customers and if customers don’t respect the employees of the company-


‘NBA players are quiting in the season after getting maxed and then getting traded. You think this can continue with no ramifications

Kobe and Jordan brought it nightly

This isn't owners against players. Some owners (lately) have brought a lot of positive contributions to the league and society. Imo, this is whats happening.

Its currently a 50/50 split, between 30 owners and 400+ players (with a lot going to max players). Theres a lot of staff that organizations (and the league) gotta employ as well to make the league enjoyable for us as fans.

Im grateful that NBA players are taking the lead in showcasing that within labor negotiations, in for-profit settings, negotiating for what is equitable for them as humans and players. They continue to negotiate for themselves first, and within the context of society (imo) whether intentionally or not : for employees.

This means that employees themselves who are working everyday are the ones that get to reap a larger amount of the profits thats incurred. Thats not too common in today's economy in most companies (but its also not totally uncommon).

In terms of the competition aspect, which i as a fan care about:

There are other ways to promote competitive parity in the league. There are other ways to promote players "bringing it every night", and optimizing the health of players (physical and mental) so that they can do so on a nightly basis, short, medium and long term. There are other ways to promote small markets, so that players don't always choose larger markets.

Employees renegotiating pay structure =/ parity, competition

Even if its chunked together, as it is now, in labor negotiations (imo)


From a contribution perspective, I dont think NBA owners will be getting 50% of profit in the next labor agreement. That certainly isnt a matter of a lack of respect: they don't do enough work to warrant that type of profit. It doesnt mean that they don't contribute anything. They don't contribute as much as players do though. Its worth noting they currently own 100% of the organization: meaning the long term asset remains theirs.

In for profit organizations, issuing shares are common for key employees that will elevate the organization - even if they're there temporarily (the Warriors have gone up over 1.5 billion since Steph who hasn't gotten anything for that long term gain, the Raptors gave Masai shares after the 2019 championship for a reason: MLSE saw a financial increase).

[old skool]

The partnership between players and owners is likely to continue smoothly, because both sides have been amenable to changes that are important to the other .

Many of these changes have benefited both sides financially. The play in tournament. City Edition uniforms and the proliferation of jersey designs. Sponsor logos on uniforms. More games on TV. More games overseas. Summer League expansion to TV. More player participation in All-Star weekend. More playoff games and a stretched out playoff schedule. Sponsor logos on courts.

Many changes have addressed player concerns. Bigger rosters. More playing opportunities with more G-League teams. G-Ignite. Two way contracts. Fewer in season practices. Fewer back-to-back games. Fewer 4 games in 5 nights. Reduced mileage travel. More minority owners, GMs and coaches. The holiday status of MLK Day. The celebration of Black History Month and HBCUs. Support of local minority businesses. Allowing player agents broad latitude in player movement. Recognizing mental health concerns. Basketball Without Borders. Facilitating player support on social issues. Improved practice facilities and medical services. Reduction in preseason games. An extended mid-season All-Star game break. Load management. Family leave absences. Personal absences. Reduction in minimum player age.

Owners have plowed money back into initiatives that generate more shared income. On line content. Streaming of games and warm ups and player interviews. International TV deals. More player involvement during All-Star weekend. New arenas, with more suites and hospitality options. Sports betting. You Tube Channels.

Lots of ways the NBA works to keep all partners happy.

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[Antinomy]

If we’re talking about the poster-child for demanding out of contracts, wouldn’t it be Kawhi, not Lebron?

He was the one who started the “embellish injury, angle for trade, sit out the whole season” thing.

In the 4 years since then, we’ve seen:

Davis
Simmons
Harden (twice)

….all do the same thing.

I would bet that Beal is the next to do it once the Wizards foolishly hand him the worst contract of all time this offseason.

[bebopdeluxe]

MLB is so bad. They never fully grasp how much damage they do to their league.

I think baseball players need to realize that if they keep up these tactics, they will see their TV revenues continue to go down, and they will move farther away from the NFL/NBA revenue pools...and move closer to NHL pools.

I cannot tell you the last time I watched even one full hour of a baseball game.

The US sports public is still connected to and invested in the NFL and NBA. But in a world of increasing distractions (like participating on online internet forums for entertainment), something has to give...and giving up baseball was easy for me.

I won't miss it.

[Duffman100]

MLB is so bad. They never fully grasp how much damage they do to their league.

I think baseball players need to realize that if they keep up these tactics, they will see their TV revenues continue to go down, and they will move farther away from the NFL/NBA revenue pools...and move closer to NHL pools.

I cannot tell you the last time I watched even one full hour of a baseball game.

The US sports public is still connected to and invested in the NFL and NBA. But in a world of increasing distractions (like participating on online internet forums for entertainment), something has to give...and giving up baseball was easy for me.

I won't miss it.

I use to watch a ton of games. Not so much now. And I'm a baseball fan, I still track the Blue Jays, who they're acquiring.

Even going to a game, by the time the 6th inning hits I'm sort of itching to get out of there.

I recently got back into NFL and the product is so much better. These playoffs were awesome to watch.

[Nate505]

MLB is so bad. They never fully grasp how much damage they do to their league.

I think baseball players need to realize that if they keep up these tactics, they will see their TV revenues continue to go down, and they will move farther away from the NFL/NBA revenue pools...and move closer to NHL pools.

I cannot tell you the last time I watched even one full hour of a baseball game.

The US sports public is still connected to and invested in the NFL and NBA. But in a world of increasing distractions (like participating on online internet forums for entertainment), something has to give...and giving up baseball was easy for me.

I won't miss it.

I use to watch a ton of games. Not so much now. And I'm a baseball fan, I still track the Blue Jays, who they're acquiring.

Even going to a game, by the time the 6th inning hits I'm sort of itching to get out of there.

It's become an awful sport. Games are now averaging 3 hours and 11 minutes per game. When I was growing up, it was more like 2 hours and 45 minutes, which was sort of a dramatic increase from the late 70s where it was 2 and a half hours.

It's just a **** slog to watch baseball games now. The number of pitching changes just sucks. I know they've done little things to improve that like not allowing relievers to come in until there's three batters faced or an inning is over, but they need to do more.

They won't though.

I'm at the point where if a baseball game were 7 innings I'd be much more interested. However, 9 innings is so fundamentally traditional with the game that I can't see it ever being reduced, unless the sport is on serious life support.

[Duffman100]

I think baseball players need to realize that if they keep up these tactics, they will see their TV revenues continue to go down, and they will move farther away from the NFL/NBA revenue pools...and move closer to NHL pools.

I cannot tell you the last time I watched even one full hour of a baseball game.

The US sports public is still connected to and invested in the NFL and NBA. But in a world of increasing distractions (like participating on online internet forums for entertainment), something has to give...and giving up baseball was easy for me.

I won't miss it.

I use to watch a ton of games. Not so much now. And I'm a baseball fan, I still track the Blue Jays, who they're acquiring.

Even going to a game, by the time the 6th inning hits I'm sort of itching to get out of there.

It's become an awful sport. Games are now averaging 3 hours and 11 minutes per game. When I was growing up, it was more like 2 hours and 45 minutes, which was sort of a dramatic increase from the late 70s where it was 2 and a half hours.

It's just a **** slog to watch baseball games now. The number of pitching changes just sucks. I know they've done little things to improve that like not allowing relievers to come in until there's three batters faced or an inning is over, but they need to do more.

They won't though.

Watch on YouTube

[slicedbread2]

I use to watch a ton of games. Not so much now. And I'm a baseball fan, I still track the Blue Jays, who they're acquiring.

Even going to a game, by the time the 6th inning hits I'm sort of itching to get out of there.

It's become an awful sport. Games are now averaging 3 hours and 11 minutes per game. When I was growing up, it was more like 2 hours and 45 minutes, which was sort of a dramatic increase from the late 70s where it was 2 and a half hours.

It's just a **** slog to watch baseball games now. The number of pitching changes just sucks. I know they've done little things to improve that like not allowing relievers to come in until there's three batters faced or an inning is over, but they need to do more.

They won't though.

Watch on YouTube

The Simpsons clip

Damn Barney guzzling 2 beers at a time is truly insane!

I remember falling asleep at a damn Blue Jays game and man that clip is truly painful and accurate.

[Pointgod]

The face of all the “owners need to make an example of Ben Simmons and void his contract” people when they realize that the owners care more about making money than players forcing their way out.

[Hellcrooner]

nba players are stupid.
they should actually lockout and not stop until they got rid of Draft, Restricted f.a , trade player for player having to match salaries etc.

BAsically

be FREE

like sports players are in europe.

negotiate trades around money ( wich by the way would be a good way for small markets to get their numbers right)

end of.

[Nate505]

nba players are stupid.
they should actually lockout and not stop until they got rid of Draft, Restricted f.a , trade player for player having to match salaries etc.

BAsically

be FREE

like sports players are in europe.

negotiate trades around money ( wich by the way would be a good way for small markets to get their numbers right)

end of.

Good luck with that. The owners can sit out forever. The players can't. Well they can, but then they would have to get real jobs or move to locations they don't want to move to.

And the last thing many NBA fans want is a replica of European sports leagues. Hey, who La Liga in the last 20 years? Real Madrid? Barcelona? Atletico Madrid? If you guessed any of those three, you had a 95% chance of being right. If the Lakers, Knicks, and Nets won the 19 of the last 20 NBA Championships, I wouldn't be watching the league anymore.

[Hellcrooner]

nba players are stupid.
they should actually lockout and not stop until they got rid of Draft, Restricted f.a , trade player for player having to match salaries etc.

BAsically

be FREE

like sports players are in europe.

negotiate trades around money ( wich by the way would be a good way for small markets to get their numbers right)

end of.

Good luck with that. The owners can sit out forever. The players can't. Well they can, but then they would have to get real jobs or move to locations they don't want to move to.

And the last thing many NBA fans want is a replica of European sports leagues. Hey, who La Liga in the last 20 years? Real Madrid? Barcelona? Atletico Madrid? If you guessed any of those three, you had a 95% chance of being right. If the Lakers, Knicks, and Nets won the 19 of the last 20 NBA Championships, I wouldn't be watching the league anymore.

you are watching a league where in the last 40 years lakers, spurs, bulls, warriors, celtics have won the majority of the rings.


since you mention " last 20 " and la liga you forgot Valencia.
if you check premier league you get Arsenal; utd, chelsea, city, leicester, liverpool, not bad.

[CobraCommander]

I just wanted to comment to say that "Westbrook mean-mugging fans" got a chuckle out of me.

I’m here for you


You have to admit it’s crazy that Westbrook mad at fans when he out there playing horrible. It’s like he thinks the fans wrong for being disappointed in him going 3 for 24 with 9 TOs....and then he gets dunk and he crip walking and mean mugging...

[Nate505]

nba players are stupid.
they should actually lockout and not stop until they got rid of Draft, Restricted f.a , trade player for player having to match salaries etc.

BAsically

be FREE

like sports players are in europe.

negotiate trades around money ( wich by the way would be a good way for small markets to get their numbers right)

end of.

Good luck with that. The owners can sit out forever. The players can't. Well they can, but then they would have to get real jobs or move to locations they don't want to move to.

And the last thing many NBA fans want is a replica of European sports leagues. Hey, who La Liga in the last 20 years? Real Madrid? Barcelona? Atletico Madrid? If you guessed any of those three, you had a 95% chance of being right. If the Lakers, Knicks, and Nets won the 19 of the last 20 NBA Championships, I wouldn't be watching the league anymore.

you are watching a league where in the last 40 years lakers, spurs, bulls, warriors, celtics have won the majority of the rings.


since you mention " last 20 " and la liga you forgot Valencia.
if you check premier league you get Arsenal; utd, chelsea, city, leicester, liverpool, not bad.

I didn't forget Valencia. In the past 20 years, 4 teams have won at least one, and 3 teams have won 19 out of 20, which is 0.95, or 95%.

As bad as the NBA is, which is also partially due to the fact that a single player can influence a game more than any other sport, in the past 20 years, 10 teams have won a championship. Or 33% of the league. Compared to even the Premiership, where 6 teams (out of 20 slots per year) have won their league, or 30%. It gets worse when you see only 7 teams have won it since 1992, or in the past 30 years.

I mean the NBA already has an issue with large markets feeling like they have all sorts of advantages. Perhaps in Europe, smaller cities feeling like they are a feeder system to larger clubs is fine with their fans, but it isn't here.