2022 Most Decreased Value

DAWill1128 · Post #41 » by **DAWill1128** » Sun May 29, 2022 6:41 am

Some of the guys who lost value I also suspect have/had lingering injury issues and that's Paul and Lowry.

Harden by far lost the most value, he went from a 30ppg guy to like 15ppg guy.

The Brooklyn Nets organization went way down. Them trading Harden in a Finals or bust year for a guy who didn't even play is such a disaster on this year. Such a disaster scenario for any Finals aspiration franchise and fan base.

Russell Westbrook, went from all-star to guy who can't be your 3rd best player on a good team.

Bertans and Robinson lost big value after huge deals.

Kemba Walker, he went from a 19ppg guy to an 11ppg guy to the team didn't want him around. Incredible.

SUPERVILLAIN · Post #42 » by **SUPERVILLAIN** » Sun May 29, 2022 6:42 am

Poll added!

jpengland · Post #43 » by **jpengland** » Sun May 29, 2022 7:13 am

Zion. Missing the whole year and clear weight problems throughout.

He's gone from a player any and every team would give the farm up for to one that I think a lot of teams would not even touch as that extension could end up being the worst deal in the league.

Post #44 » by **jbk1234** » Sun May 29, 2022 7:39 am

It's Fat Thor. Dude's out there with the physique of a guy playing in a 40-and-over lawyer's league.

Lockdown504090 · Post #45 » by **Lockdown504090** » Sun May 29, 2022 11:03 am

BoatsNZones wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:Soo now they’re playing worse teams ? Lol funny because nobody had Warriors making finals beginning of the season

1. do preseason predictions determine how good a team is?
2. and do you disagree that the cavs and rockets are better than the teams theyve played this year? why create a strawman using narratives when we just watched them play 3 rounds in the playoffs and a whole regular season?

Please tell me you are pretending you had Golden State in the Finals before the playoffs began. Link your posts if so.

Always funny watching narratives recreate themselves after the fact.

Why does preseason matter? The team is very talented now why does my opinion in September matter?

bravor · Post #46 » by **bravor** » Sun May 29, 2022 11:35 am

Wiseman should be in the list, obviously not because of how he played, but because of a potential return in a trade. He only has 2 years left on his rookie contract, did not show anything to justify he could become a legit starter at C (not saying he won't), and the new draft will bring many pretty good centers or pf/c that will trivialize his profile.

gorz · Post #47 » by **gorz** » Sun May 29, 2022 12:02 pm

James Harden is a jag.

Ben Simmons is a malcontent scrub.

MrGoat · Post #48 » by **MrGoat** » Sun May 29, 2022 12:52 pm

I think it's either Zion or Simmons. These were both considered easily max guys after last season, they wouldn't be this offseason. Missing an entire season is never good for your value.

BoatsNZones · Post #49 » by **BoatsNZones** » Sun May 29, 2022 1:41 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
BoatsNZones wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:1. do preseason predictions determine how good a team is?
2. and do you disagree that the cavs and rockets are better than the teams theyve played this year? why create a strawman using narratives when we just watched them play 3 rounds in the playoffs and a whole regular season?

Please tell me you are pretending you had Golden State in the Finals before the playoffs began. Link your posts if so.

Always funny watching narratives recreate themselves after the fact.

Why does preseason matter? The team is very talented now why does my opinion in September matter?

I’m speaking to right before the playoffs began, not September.

Lockdown504090 · Post #50 » by **Lockdown504090** » Sun May 29, 2022 2:58 pm

BoatsNZones wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
BoatsNZones wrote:Please tell me you are pretending you had Golden State in the Finals before the playoffs began. Link your posts if so.

Always funny watching narratives recreate themselves after the fact.

Why does preseason matter? The team is very talented now why does my opinion in September matter?

I’m speaking to right before the playoffs began, not September.

I thought they would beat the suns at the end of the season, yeah. I certainly didn’t think they would lose to any of the teams they played against in the playoffs. I can’t imagine anyone picking the nuggets grizzlies or mavs over the warriors, that sounds crazy imo

NZB2323 · Post #51 » by **NZB2323** » Sun May 29, 2022 7:08 pm

tsherkin wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:From a legacy standpoint I think Durant has to be on that list. He had a 13.5 PER in this playoffs and the Warriors might win another title without him.

Hmm. What about Lebron v Boston or Kobe vs same? Did that really hurt their legacy? Did it not because they ultimately won? What about 07 Dirk?

07 Dirk definitely hurt his legacy. After blowing a 2-0 lead in the finals and then losing in the first round he was labeled a soft choker. In Bill Simmons Book of Basketball, which was published in 2010, he had Dirk ranked 39th.

All those guys won titles afterwards and redeemed themselves, and they weren’t as bad as Durant

Durant 13.5
Kobe 25
Lebron 24.3
Dirk 20.9

Actually Durant is in a very similar situation to Kobe around 2008. Kobe kept hearing he couldn’t win a ring without Shaq and Durant will keep hearing that he can’t win a ring without Steph.

FeatheryTouch · Post #52 » by **FeatheryTouch** » Sun May 29, 2022 8:10 pm

bravor wrote:Wiseman should be in the list, obviously not because of how he played, but because of a potential return in a trade. He only has 2 years left on his rookie contract, did not show anything to justify he could become a legit starter at C (not saying he won't), and the new draft will bring many pretty good centers or pf/c that will trivialize his profile.

Ironically Wiseman has an decent chance to make it on to next season's "most increased value" list.

Health permitting.

He's got talent but hasn't played enough basketball(college or pro) to know what he can be yet. The flashes are there though.

There's a world where he averages 15 and 10 with 2 blocks for the Warriors next season.

Post #53 » by **ken6199** » Sun May 29, 2022 8:29 pm

"I think it's KD because Warriors might win a title without him" I see this crap again.

People act like players never change. KD was still in his prime 5 years ago, Curry Klay Draymond never changed, Looney never changed, they never added Wiggins, GP2 and they never groomed Poole.

People are so keen on forming a jigsaw problem moving pieces around just to create a hot take and get some arguments up. Internet is a **** up place.

jaybiddyforeal · Post #54 » by **jaybiddyforeal** » Sun May 29, 2022 8:32 pm

Kyle Lowry being an option is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen.

He posted 13.5/4.5/7.5/1.5 stl+blk and either led the league or was right at the top in charges drawn while posting the second highest ts% of his career. He also carried the heat to the 1 seed for almost two months when they were without Jimmy & Bam.

Let’s stop the narrative that he has declined because he’s been playing on one leg in the playoffs.

tamaraw08 · Post #55 » by **tamaraw08** » Sun May 29, 2022 8:42 pm

SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Which player has decreased the most in value since last season? It can be lower trade value or lower potential future earnings.

Some names that immediately come to mind: Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Ben Simmons, Russell Westbrook, Julius Randle, Zion Williamson

All of the above ☝️ plus Lonzo Ball, Anthony Davis, Melo, Bazemore,Nunn,Dwight and the Lakers ball boys

Zvaart · Post #56 » by **Zvaart** » Sun May 29, 2022 8:43 pm

A little OT, but i just thought of something extremely funny.

With the Nets being so reluctant to give Kyrie a long term contract, and Westbrook being the odd man out in LA, how about.... you know. :lol:

And yes, i know this trade is impossible, but i would like to see it so bad.

SFrush · Post #57 » by **SFrush** » Sun May 29, 2022 8:51 pm

Ben Simmons. Not even that close imo.

TravisScott55 · Post #58 » by **TravisScott55** » Sun May 29, 2022 10:40 pm

Harden or Randle

Roco14 · Post #59 » by **Roco14** » Sun May 29, 2022 10:45 pm

jaybiddyforeal wrote:Kyle Lowry being an option is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen.

He posted 13.5/4.5/7.5/1.5 stl+blk and either led the league or was right at the top in charges drawn while posting the second highest ts% of his career. He also carried the heat to the 1 seed for almost two months when they were without Jimmy & Bam.

Let’s stop the narrative that he has declined because he’s been playing on one leg in the playoffs.

Totally agree. Anyone who watches the games knows that Lowry had a huge role in the Heats' success this season and was great for the development of Bam, Herro, Vincent. I'm pretty sure he could've averaged 18ppg if his role required it but it did not. Even on a team like Miami that gets plenty of national coverage the guy is under appreciated.

Post #60 » by **tsherkin** » Sun May 29, 2022 10:58 pm

NZB2323 wrote:07 Dirk definitely hurt his legacy. After blowing a 2-0 lead in the finals and then losing in the first round he was labeled a soft choker. In Bill Simmons Book of Basketball, which was published in 2010, he had Dirk ranked 39th.

Sure, in the moment, it affected them. And redemption lifted them beyond that point, was sort of where I was going with my remark. It isn't an indelible mark against them, just something to overcome with future achievement. Or not, I suppose.

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