Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler

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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler 

Post#421 » by DoubleLintendre » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:50 pm

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DoubleLintendre wrote:At first don't like it for Clips (Tobias fan). Now it looks less than ideal for Philly who is burning through all of their assets. Depth was as big of a problem as acquiring another top talent-- another guard could've helped.

Clippers get their cap, picks (potentially top 5-10), and also have a ton of role players/depth. Philly's long term potential is an unknown if the new Big 4 doesn't work as planned. It's a no gamble versus definite gamble for the teams involved.

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I think this is a prime example of our tendencies to value future over the basketball that's being played on the court right now.

For example, you're saying that the draft picks that the Clippers will get in a few years that may or may not become rotation players and the cap space that they may or may not use to sign free agents is better than a team making a move that will most likely propel them to the NBA finals. The Clippers have made a good move no doubt, and are now set up to build a good team moving forward. But the Sixers are probably going to accomplish this year what the Clippers hope to accomplish in 3 to 4 years using picks and cap space created from this trade.

How does LAC not gamble with this deal? They made their team worse in the short run in the hopes of getting free agents or draft picks that will help them get better in the future....there's nothing guaranteed for either side for sure, but the 76ers improved their team with this move and have probably become the favorites to make the NBA finals.

We are all becoming to obsessed with the future and forgetting the games being played in my opinion.


The Clippers simply didn't plan on signing Tobias again. They also didn't believe they would have much success this playoffs. Instead of losing an asset and having a non-impactful playoff run they cashed in their biggest asset.

The Clippers have been directly linked to nearly every star on the move. Their cap situation has more value in the long run than anything happening this season with their former roster. As long as they don't blow cap space they have a lot of wiggle room.

If losing Tobias while exiting early in the POs was a certainty, picking up picks and cap is not a gamble.

I'm not a giant fan of the trade for the 76ers. I see flaws in their roster construction. They've emptied the cannons and haven't locked in their Big 4 long term. If they struggle with depth they have much less to work with now. I don't see this as a loss for the 76ers, as much as a chips in, win now move.
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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler 

Post#422 » by Mamba Mentality » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:56 pm

Tobias isn't as good as some of you guys make him out to be, but he's as good of a fourth option as there is on any team. It'll be interesting to see what move(s) the Raptors, Celtics, and Bucks make in response, if any...
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Post#423 » by KnickFan33 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:57 pm

One less person for the GB to claim the Knicks will sign to a max.

Or so I hope... :lol:
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Post#424 » by NBAFan93 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:58 pm

RUN T M C wrote:Jerry West wins again.


We keep saying that, but he doesn’t win anything until he gets a big name or two. They might be in the mix for Davis now with those picks, but so are other teams.

And there are only so many good FAs to go around this summer.
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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler 

Post#425 » by Mik317 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:58 pm

our depth didn't get any worse. kinda stays the same really. Scott is more versitile than Muscala. Boban is a perfect Embiid backup. Harris is waaaay better than Chandler.

The only real loss in terms of depth is Shamet but my guess is that Fultz (probably via trade) or a buyout guy probably replaces his role.

The risk of dudes walking is real but the depth issue is pretty much in the same boat if not helped by the fact that Harris is more reliable than Chandler and Boban is more ready than Bolden.
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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers 

Post#426 » by TheGOATWill » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:58 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:
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clyde21 wrote:"real deals get done in silence"


They really do.

For real

Kinda. Real deals get done when it’s the team’s idea not the player’s.
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Post#427 » by UNCBlue012 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:01 pm

Pretty damn good move for the Sixers. I definitely think they overpaid, but it makes them much better this year and improves their quality depth, which was there obvious weakness beforehand.
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Post#428 » by kenwood3333 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:01 pm

Good trade for both teams
Clippers getting picks and free up cap space to sign KL this summer
Sixers getting more talent to increase their chance to reach the finals in the weak eastern conference
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Post#429 » by NBAFan93 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:04 pm

MikeM wrote:Damn that Miami unprotected FRP in 2021 > that whole Lakers package.

Jerry West on the phone with Dell Demps as we speak...


They allowed to do that? Like flip these things they just got that quick? Even the players?
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Post#430 » by Locrian » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:04 pm

Sixers overpay massively IMO...
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Post#431 » by vxmike » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:06 pm

Dislike including Shamet for Philly. He was looking good, they’re low on shooting, and he’s locked in cheap.

Philly needs to dump Fultz now for sure. He’s another guy who will need the ball if he’s playable, and they need to lose his salary next season.

Trading Butler for expirings+picks would be the power move now. They can open max space for a better fitting 4th star or can add some excellent depth (Mirotic/Green/etc).
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Post#432 » by CelticSooner » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:09 pm

How good are the ECSF and ECF gonna be now? Must watch tv
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Post#433 » by Hipster Doofus » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:10 pm

LeBron livid with himself for not going to Philly in the offseason :D
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Post#434 » by flow » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:11 pm

DETermination wrote:Poor Tobias gets traded every season

He's going to a nice situation, though.

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Post#435 » by timO » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:14 pm

76ers plan to pay 141x4 to Harris and Butler or even more? neither deserve that money.

Clear win for Clips, 2 FRP and a nice backup shooter in rookie deal for an expiring :crazy:
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Post#436 » by Sixersftw » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:14 pm

CelticSooner wrote:How good are the ECSF and ECF gonna be now? Must watch tv

Lebron leaves and all of a sudden its knives out.
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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler 

Post#437 » by Darth Celtic » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:16 pm

2 firsts for expiring player. Risky. If he signs long term, and Butler signs long term, it is worth it for the sixers, yet the sixers still don't really worry me as a celtics fan.
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Post#438 » by kuclas » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:18 pm

Sixers have no depth and this trade doesn't do much for them to fix it. As much as a fan I am, sixers will only go as far as Embiid can take them. He's played heavy minutes the past couple of years. They need to save Embiid and make sure he's healthy for the playoff run. I'm not sure they have the backup center they really need cause while he's big, he's still so slow footed.
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Post#439 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:19 pm

Overpay by Philly, but the east is wide open. Still need more/better shooting.
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Post#440 » by Higgs Boston » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:19 pm

Sixers are better but I'm relieve that they don't go after star perimeter players, harris is more of a PF.
And **** the clippers, killed the pick. praying for next year pick lol.

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