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_NoMas wrote:The real MVP race is whose the best of the rest?
Right now I have Maxey, D Mitch, Giddey, Cade, Reaves
Optms wrote:_NoMas wrote:The real MVP race is whose the best of the rest?
Right now I have Maxey, D Mitch, Giddey, Cade, Reaves
Giddey has the trash Bulls at the top of the East. He is top 5 atm. Go back and check the numbers and who he is playing with again.
He's only behind Wemby, Shai and Giannis.
LBJ is still a top 50 player, at his age that's crazy good and he's def still better than Laravia etc. but the role players are much less cohesive, motiviated etc. with him on the floor. They defer too much and not as confident, it's a different vibe when it's just LukaBob8 wrote:Exp0sed wrote:He's been insane but MVP is a cumulative award, he's already missed a couple of games. MVP's aren't decided by per game statsRon Swanson wrote:If you guys are really gonna do this not even 10-games into the season (which, lol), it's clearly the guy currently with a 40-PER, .400 WS/48, leading the league in scoring, OBPM, total win shares, averaging 34/13/7 on 70% TS, all while leading a roster which everyone on this site clowned for being a terrible supporting cast with no chance of competing for a championship, to a 5-2 opening record. Like, what are we even doing here?
(And yes, most of those metrics aren't feasibly sustainable for anyone, that's the point)
As for the rest, not having LBJ is a plus for him. Not only does he get to dominate the ball and post video game raw stats - the Lakers are also a better team
If he had a whole season with no LBJ he'd be the front runner for MVP
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It depends how LeBron plays. If he helps them winning more games it would be beneficial for Luka, who can get 30+ with or without LeBron, but if they finish second with LeBron's help that would mean more for his Mvp case than having few points less.
People are talking like Lakers will be worse with LeBron, which is kinda funny, knowing that he will take most minutes away from players like Laravia, Vincent...
guynumber45 wrote:AleksandarN wrote:Jokic starting to come alive. He will be in first in no time. Going to be the first since Wilt to lead the league in assists as a center. He also break the record of triple doubles in a season
If Jokic couldn't get MVP last year, I don't really see how they give it to him this year. His counting stats won't be as bonkers compared to last year because he isn't forced to play every minute now with the new bench.
Only way I can see Jokic swaying voters is if he breaks the TS% record for a 25+ppg scorer(Which is definitely on the table) and if the Nuggets get the #1 seed(Much harder with how good OKC has been looking)
Exp0sed wrote:LBJ is still a top 50 player, at his age that's crazy good and he's def still better than Laravia etc. but the role players are much less cohesive, motiviated etc. with him on the floor. They defer too much and not as confident, it's a different vibe when it's just LukaBob8 wrote:Exp0sed wrote:He's been insane but MVP is a cumulative award, he's already missed a couple of games. MVP's aren't decided by per game stats
As for the rest, not having LBJ is a plus for him. Not only does he get to dominate the ball and post video game raw stats - the Lakers are also a better team
If he had a whole season with no LBJ he'd be the front runner for MVP
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It depends how LeBron plays. If he helps them winning more games it would be beneficial for Luka, who can get 30+ with or without LeBron, but if they finish second with LeBron's help that would mean more for his Mvp case than having few points less.
People are talking like Lakers will be worse with LeBron, which is kinda funny, knowing that he will take most minutes away from players like Laravia, Vincent...
So yeah, if getting LBJ's production means that Reaves produces alot less, Ayton, Rui, Smart, Laravia and all these guys produce less, hustle less, have less rhythm and confidence..then with or without LBJ, might just be a wash for the Lakers
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guynumber45 wrote:AleksandarN wrote:Jokic starting to come alive. He will be in first in no time. Going to be the first since Wilt to lead the league in assists as a center. He also break the record of triple doubles in a season
If Jokic couldn't get MVP last year, I don't really see how they give it to him this year. His counting stats won't be as bonkers compared to last year because he isn't forced to play every minute now with the new bench.
Only way I can see Jokic swaying voters is if he breaks the TS% record for a 25+ppg scorer(Which is definitely on the table) and if the Nuggets get the #1 seed(Much harder with how good OKC has been looking)
~Regarding Denver Nuggets, May 2025hardenASG13 wrote:They are better than the teammates of SGA, Giannis, Luka, Brunson, Curry etc. so far.
Liam_Gallagher wrote:Luka by far.
40, 11 and 9 and his team is 7-2.
zero rings wrote:Liam_Gallagher wrote:Luka by far.
40, 11 and 9 and his team is 7-2.
He’s missed 4 games and the Lakers are 3-1 in those games.
Also, Jokic and Giannis have been better individually. I don’t see the case for Luka as of yet.
Liam_Gallagher wrote:zero rings wrote:Liam_Gallagher wrote:Luka by far.
40, 11 and 9 and his team is 7-2.
He’s missed 4 games and the Lakers are 3-1 in those games.
Also, Jokic and Giannis have been better individually. I don’t see the case for Luka as of yet.
40/11/9 is better than 24/13/12 and 32/13/6
zero rings wrote:Liam_Gallagher wrote:zero rings wrote:
He’s missed 4 games and the Lakers are 3-1 in those games.
Also, Jokic and Giannis have been better individually. I don’t see the case for Luka as of yet.
40/11/9 is better than 24/13/12 and 32/13/6
Not really when you account for usage and efficiency. Luka still trails in the box score aggregates like BPM and PER.
Also, this:
Luka OnCourt: +5.3
Luka On/Off: +3.9
Giannis OnCourt: +7.4
Giannis On/Off: +15.2
Jokic OnCourt: +18.6
Jokic On/Off: +28.7
Mavrelous wrote:zero rings wrote:Liam_Gallagher wrote:
40/11/9 is better than 24/13/12 and 32/13/6
Not really when you account for usage and efficiency. Luka still trails in the box score aggregates like BPM and PER.
Also, this:
Luka OnCourt: +5.3
Luka On/Off: +3.9
Giannis OnCourt: +7.4
Giannis On/Off: +15.2
Jokic OnCourt: +18.6
Jokic On/Off: +28.7
Net rating and on/off are very useful metrics, not in the context you are using them.
Every year Jokoc on/off is brought up, everu year I have to say, no, high on/off doesn't mean a carry job, if anything, high on/off means very strong supporting cast.
Mavrelous wrote:zero rings wrote:Liam_Gallagher wrote:
40/11/9 is better than 24/13/12 and 32/13/6
Not really when you account for usage and efficiency. Luka still trails in the box score aggregates like BPM and PER.
Also, this:
Luka OnCourt: +5.3
Luka On/Off: +3.9
Giannis OnCourt: +7.4
Giannis On/Off: +15.2
Jokic OnCourt: +18.6
Jokic On/Off: +28.7
Net rating and on/off are very useful metrics, not in the context you are using them.
Every year Jokoc on/off is brought up, everu year I have to say, no, high on/off doesn't mean a carry job, if anything, high on/off means very strong supporting cast.