Windhorst: Kyrie Irving asked to be traded last week (Spurs, Heat, Wolves, Knicks) Updt pg. 30

ProfessorJM · Post #561 » by **ProfessorJM** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:05 pm

bringinhinkie wrote:No hate, dude has balls

We should praise something like this .. he's literally going the harder route to see his true potential as a number 1

Kind of like what Kobe did.. and then Kobe went and won with a different cast while still in his prime .. that is special , not a lot of guys in sports have done that

I guess anything knicks related kyrie still wants porzingis there.. secondary packages would get trumped

Kyrie has more Jordan/Kobe in his blood than LeBron/Durant, this has nothing to do with talent but mindset.

DaGawd · Post #562 » by **DaGawd** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:05 pm

JB2 wrote:Man.. to think if the Knicks had just drafted DSJ then could put together a decent little package for Irving.

If I'm Gilbert, which I'd never be such a whiny B if I was, but if I was him, I'd trade him only to where I felt like I get the best deal possible not one of his 4 teams.

Karma is very real and Dan Gilbert is living in it right now

The Cavs are gonna take Melo and Frank Ntitti for Kyrie and like it

JellosJigglin · Post #563 » by **JellosJigglin** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:05 pm

Just stay East dammit. Please no more stars in the West.

CptCrunch · Post #564 » by **CptCrunch** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:05 pm

HotTubMike wrote:Kyrie had his own team one time.... they were horrible.

Yes, #1 picks are always on bad teams. What other #1 picks recently have had better success more success?

Roscoe Sheed · Post #565 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:07 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:I'm upset that he didn't request the trade a month earlier- surely cp3 would have preferred to play in Cleveland with lebron rather than Houston
they wouldn't do a straight up deal. la would have had to add. Rockets gave up not a lot for Paul, Irving is a superstar in his prime.

I understand he is younger, but you know lebron would have loved to get cp3 in return. If it would help the cavs could have Austin rivers too

red96 · Post #566 » by **red96** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:07 pm

Kyrie wants out? WTH is going on? Doesn't Cleveland have everything a player like him could want?

DusterBuster · Post #567 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:09 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
Goober wrote:I blame Dan Gilbert

As you should

Or, and this is crazy, you could read the article which states why Kyrie wants to be traded and learn that it has nothing to do with Gilbert. But a lack of knowledge has never stopped people from forming opinions.

Read on Twitter

Gilbert needlessly firing their GM seems to support my assertion that Dan Gilbert has mismanaged that franchise pretty hardcore.

Just opening up your wallet doesn't make you a good owner.

MartinToVaught · Post #568 » by **MartinToVaught** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:09 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Heat are going to be in the playoffs next year. SA is going to be a top team next year, Minny is going to be a playoff team next year.

The Spurs are the only contender on that list and even they aren't worth leaving his current situation for.

Even if the Heat do make the playoffs, the fact that they're on his list even though they currently employ Dion Waiters - who didn't get along with Kyrie in Cleveland and vice versa - shows how desperate Kyrie is for touches and stats.

This thing again about how we have seen enough of Kyrie on his own to know he cant lead a team to the playoffs because he didnt do it when he was 21. Not too many of the star PGs today were in the playoffs when they were 21. Only one I can think of was Westbrook and he was teamed up with the scoring champ that year.

It's not just when he was 21. Over the past three seasons, Kyrie and Kevin Love went 4-12 together when LeBron wasn't playing. That is abysmal, and that's *with* another All-Star in the lineup alongside him.

And really we are going to say Kyrie was the reason for the dysfunction on and off the court? Are we just going to forget he was playing with a 22 year old Dion Waiters and also the Andrew Bynum side show? But I guess thats all on Kyrie too?

Kyrie wasn't the sole reason for the dysfunction, but he was a major contributor to it.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/much-too-soon-a-look-at-kyrie-irvings-struggles-and-attitude/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1938057-anonymous-nba-general-managers-rip-kyrie-irving-say-cavs-star-is-pouting

akhan786 · Post #569 » by **akhan786** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:09 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
Thats why he named SA as one of the 4 teams hed like to go to?

It's why he named the Knicks and Heat, and why he's even trying to leave a title contender in order to be the "focal point" of a team the first place. We've seen enough to know that any team where Kyrie is the "focal point" is lottery bound, not to mention dysfunctional on and off the court.

Heat are going to be in the playoffs next year. SA is going to be a top team next year, Minny is going to be a playoff team next year.

This thing again about how we have seen enough of Kyrie on his own to know he cant lead a team to the playoffs because he didnt do it when he was 21. Not too many of the star PGs today were in the playoffs when they were 21. Only one I can think of was Westbrook and he was teamed up with the scoring champ that year.

The Cavs actually won 6 more games in Kyrie's first 3 seasons than the Wizards did in the first 3 seasons with John Wall. I dont see anyone saying you cant win with John Wall based on his first 3 seasons.

And really we are going to say Kyrie was the reason for the dysfunction on and off the court? Are we just going to forget he was playing with a 22 year old Dion Waiters and also the Andrew Bynum side show? But I guess thats all on Kyrie too?

I agree that's the most annoying Kyrie argument on this board. Kyrie was 21 with Antwan Jamison's corpse as his second best player and he gets penalized for not leading his team to the playoffs his first 3 years when Wall didn't also with arguably a better team?? Forget any comparisons between Kyrie and Wall, we can all agree how stupid of an argument that is right? It's only made because people have short term memories and think Kyrie is like 28 or something.

I say give Kyrie a shot now that he is 25 and about to enter his prime with a team built around him not Bron. I bet it would be damn fun to watch.

Cormag001 · Post #570 » by **Cormag001** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:11 pm

When LeBron went back to Cleveland, I couldn't imagine a scenario he would leave again. How can you betray YOUR city twice? But what's essentially happened here is that Kyrie has taken the pressure off LeBron and opened the door for him to leave on relatively good terms in next years free agency.

The storylines will say Kyrie was the one who quit, not LeBron....

This is all so bizarre.

fouronesix22 · Post #571 » by **fouronesix22** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:12 pm

With kyrie gone who will lebron cry for now? Durant? Khawi? Curry?

I wonder what value they will get in return

10DayContract · Post #572 » by **10DayContract** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:12 pm

You know what's even better than winning?

Winning your way.

MintFresh · Post #573 » by **MintFresh** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:13 pm

tidho wrote:
Cormag001 wrote:This is coming closer and closer to being a reality

oddly. if you read the story its the exact opposite of what you're implying.

True, Kyrie wants to leave LeBron.

But LeBron was shocked that Kyrie was leaving. So maybe this causes LeBron to leave next season too (not sure about the Lakers but maybe to another team in the east)

RCM88x · Post #574 » by **RCM88x** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:15 pm

Cormag001 wrote:When LeBron went back to Cleveland, I couldn't imagine a scenario he would leave again. How can you betray YOUR city twice? But what's essentially happened here is that Kyrie has taken the pressure off LeBron and opened the door for him to leave on relatively good terms in next years free agency.

The storylines will say Kyrie was the one who quit, not LeBron....

This is all so bizarre.

The one interesting thing about this situation is that this time everyone expects and wants him to leave. While no one expected him to or wanted him to the previous two times.

nuposse04 · Post #575 » by **nuposse04** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:15 pm

10DayContract wrote:You know what's even better than winning?

Winning your way.

Well considering Kyrie hasn't won anything sans LBJ... his way shouldn't be all that appealing. :nonono:

TroubleS0me · Post #576 » by **TroubleS0me** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:15 pm

just like Kobe in '07...

Tinseltown · Post #577 » by **Tinseltown** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:16 pm

Kobe's former agent is general manager of the Lakers and Kyrie does look up to Kobe

Does anyone else think that Kobe may have been whispering in Kyrie's ear that he needs his own team to sabotage the Cavaliers and force LeBron to the Lakers in free agency? It's something Kobe has done before with Westbrook and OKC so I wouldn't put it past him

MintFresh · Post #578 » by **MintFresh** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:16 pm

It's crazy, last year before the fourth of July, the Cleveland Cavaliers seemed to be a in a good place. Now the Cavaliers are imploding...

Kobeshow · Post #579 » by **Kobeshow** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:16 pm

Wait a second, I thought LeBron was the best teammate ever and everybody wanted to play with him forever and ever..... What happened??? :lol:

Greyhound · Post #580 » by **Greyhound** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:17 pm

panty raider wrote:
FNQ wrote:WOW

What is going on in Cleveland right now? LeBron disappointed in the offseason, Kylie wants out, they can't land a GM after running Griffin out of town.. is Gilbert just that bad of an owner?

Lebron James dissapointed in the offseason?

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Who on Earth is Kylie (btw)?

FNQ, I get your meaning now.

You meant that James was disappointed in the offseason, not that James himself has disapointed this offseson.

The way it was worded was a bit confusing.