The best rim protectors in the league

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Re: The best rim protectors in the league 

Post#61 » by rugbyrugger23 » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:10 am

Graph is pointless. Blocks are the single most overrated stat. How many go into first row? How many are retained by offensive team? How many teams still score on the given block possession?

Better graph needs to take into consideration usage. I want to know who defends the rim most efficiently given the most opportunities.

Better graph needs to take into consideration possession change. I want to know who defends the rim and his defense leads to possession changes (and by proxy give some weight to defensive rebounds).
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Post#62 » by Braggins » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:04 am

Cappy_Smurf wrote:
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Mik317 wrote:Gobert is some hax ****. makes guards just quit at life and ****.

someone test that man for block steroids or something.


It's true that only the brave even try to challenge Gobert. Almost no one goes over him. They have to go around him or get to the rim sooner than he can come over. The best way to score on Gobert is a high floater.


Yeah, it doesn't happen often, but there's been a few guys who have figured out getting to the rim on Rudy. Lillard and Lowry have both had success at getting their shots at the rim over him this year. Mostly, players end up missing when they try shooting to avoid the block.

Kemba has had a lot of trouble with Gobert in the past, but he was able to make a couple nice shots at the rim against him this year and last by not worrying about trying to elevate or anything and just flicking the ball up at the rim at an opportune time while Gobert was moving his feet. Not saying Gobert still didn't have a huge impact or anything, but Kemba at least has figured out how to sneak in some occasional buckets against him.
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Re: The best rim protectors in the league 

Post#63 » by CoreyGallagher » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:28 am

rugbyrugger23 wrote:Graph is pointless. Blocks are the single most overrated stat. How many go into first row? How many are retained by offensive team? How many teams still score on the given block possession?

Better graph needs to take into consideration usage. I want to know who defends the rim most efficiently given the most opportunities.

Better graph needs to take into consideration possession change. I want to know who defends the rim and his defense leads to possession changes (and by proxy give some weight to defensive rebounds).

Not sure what opportunities would be indicative of, I haven't done any additional research, but could assume that some rim protectors deter players from shooting on them or closer to the basket.
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Post#64 » by HawaiianJazzFan » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:11 am

Braggins wrote:
Cappy_Smurf wrote:
Catchall wrote:
It's true that only the brave even try to challenge Gobert. Almost no one goes over him. They have to go around him or get to the rim sooner than he can come over. The best way to score on Gobert is a high floater.


Yeah, it doesn't happen often, but there's been a few guys who have figured out getting to the rim on Rudy. Lillard and Lowry have both had success at getting their shots at the rim over him this year. Mostly, players end up missing when they try shooting to avoid the block.

Kemba has had a lot of trouble with Gobert in the past, but he was able to make a couple nice shots at the rim against him this year and last by not worrying about trying to elevate or anything and just flicking the ball up at the rim at an opportune time while Gobert was moving his feet. Not saying Gobert still didn't have a huge impact or anything, but Kemba at least has figured out how to sneak in some occasional buckets against him.


Yeah Kemba did score pretty well around him. Steph also can put up shots in a weird rhythm that throws Gobert off.
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Re: The best rim protectors in the league 

Post#65 » by nbafan341 » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:21 am

YogurtProducer wrote:Good to see Bebe there

bebe does not defend the rim. blocks are the only reason his name stands out. :lol:
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Post#66 » by HawaiianJazzFan » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:38 pm

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Re: The best rim protectors in the league 

Post#67 » by primopastalove2 » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:27 pm

This is such a misleading title, the graph only displays the relationship of the effects blocks have on FG% near the rim not who is the best rim protector. Overall it does look like their is a weak relation between blocks and FG%, especially after obtaining ~1.7 blocks per 36, where the residuals are much larger than before, this could be the point at which true talent at protecting the rim come out, those who are hunting blocks versus those who are in position to change the shots.
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Re: The best rim protectors in the league 

Post#68 » by HawaiianJazzFan » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:41 pm

primopastalove2 wrote:This is such a misleading title, the graph only displays the relationship of the effects blocks have on FG% near the rim not who is the best rim protector. Overall it does look like their is a weak relation between blocks and FG%, especially after obtaining ~1.7 blocks per 36, where the residuals are much larger than before, this could be the point at which true talent at protecting the rim come out, those who are hunting blocks versus those who are in position to change the shots.



It's true but look at the graph above. Porzingis and Embiid are still awesome rim protectors. Embiid's skill set is just scary.
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Re: The best rim protectors in the league 

Post#69 » by Catchall » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:19 pm

DeAndre Jordan has as much physical potential as anyone in the league. He must not be making 100% effort.

And yeah, Embiid for a *first* year player is really impressive.
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Re: The best rim protectors in the league 

Post#70 » by magnumt » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:19 pm

This guy seems to be doing well too. So who knows. :dontknow:

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