Did Joakim Noah See a Single Minute Against Jokic?

[og15]

He's been a washed up bum for years now.. Where have you been living? You thought Harrell was bad?Sheesh..

Jokic scoring wasn't the problem. Jamal Murray killed the Clippers, and Jokic did his work creating and getting assists. Also the Clippers scored 33 points in the 2nd half. They had a lot of stops and held Denver to 22 points in the 4th, but didn't make any shots. Noah would not have helped at that point.

If they wanted to try Noah, earlier in the series would have been the time to see if he could work.

[tsirigoj]

The answer is no and it's because Doc doesn't know how to experiment or adjust to the matchups. Other than inserting Reggie Jackson in a pressure-filled quarter with zero playing time up until that point. Just horrible.

Among my joking about the Clips, I legit feel terrible that reports are saying he is returning as coach. Doesn't seem like that works out.

I think Clipper plan must be to get rid of the depth and become top-heavy. It's unfortunate.

[europrospect93]

That was said as a joke hahaha.

But I think an even bigger joke is saying that LeBron isn't a 'big man,' ESPECIALLY given how the 'big man' has evolved in modern day basketball. He's the quintessential big man, actually.

And no, there isn't a single big man that is more skilled than him, probably ever.

No, he literally is not a big man in basketball terms and he never ever will be. Not even close. Yes, outside of basketball he is quite big I'll give you that. But on the court he plays literally like a complete opposite of big man, traditional or modern. Are you trolling? Because if not you should watch Lakers play sometimes as it seems like you missed 2004-2020.

I advise you to watch Finals vs. Thunder.

Come back and tell me that LeBron isn't a big man.

How would you define a big man in modern context? Gone are the days that the 'big man' is your PF or Center that hangs under the rim.

Lebron plays on the post WITH EASE and can dominate, and he can guard other bigs well. The big man has evolved into a player that is essentially another guard in the modern NBA that is expected to be able to shoot and pass the ball well.

Butler posted up against Kemba on every opportunity last night, is he a big man?

Just because he uses a mismatch or goes after a weak post defender doesn't make him a big guy. In half court he plays nothing like big man and he never did. Sure, if you put him up against Austin Rivers he will post him up but that doesn't make him a big man.

You're trolling and just made a fool out of me for responding to this didn't you?

[tsirigoj]

He's been a washed up bum for years now.. Where have you been living? You thought Harrell was bad?Sheesh..

Jokic scoring want the problem. Jamal Murray killed the Clippers, and Jokic did his work creating and getting assists. Also the Clippers scored 33 points in the 2nd half. They had a lot of stops and held Denver to 22 points in the 4th,but didn't make any shots. Noah would not have helped at that point.

Reasonable.

So you think the Clippers needed more scorers? That would make sense for them to put in Reggie Jackson then.

Also, Lou Williams seemed NONEXISTENT to me in this series. As a Laker fan, the only player I truly feared on the Clippers was Lou. Dude can go off and look like a superstar on any given night, and I'm not certain we Lakers would have an answer (I'm not sold on Kuzma. Whenever I see him play, even when he's playing well, my mind instantly goes to 'damn. You could have been Lonzo.')

[og15]

Just to expand, Jokic was 2/9 and had 6 points in the 2nd half and was 1/5 with 4 points in the 4th. Defending Jokic as a scorer was not the Clippers problem in the 4th.

[tsirigoj]

No, he literally is not a big man in basketball terms and he never ever will be. Not even close. Yes, outside of basketball he is quite big I'll give you that. But on the court he plays literally like a complete opposite of big man, traditional or modern. Are you trolling? Because if not you should watch Lakers play sometimes as it seems like you missed 2004-2020.

I advise you to watch Finals vs. Thunder.

Come back and tell me that LeBron isn't a big man.

How would you define a big man in modern context? Gone are the days that the 'big man' is your PF or Center that hangs under the rim.

Lebron plays on the post WITH EASE and can dominate, and he can guard other bigs well. The big man has evolved into a player that is essentially another guard in the modern NBA that is expected to be able to shoot and pass the ball well.

Butler posted up against Kemba on every opportunity last night, is he a big man?

Just because he uses a mismatch or goes after a weak post defender doesn't make him a big guy. In half court he plays nothing like big man and he never did. Sure, if you put him up against Austin Rivers he will post him up but that doesn't make him a big man.

You're trolling and just made a fool out of me for responding to this didn't you?

Lebron did not take advantage of a matchup on a single play in that series. He literally LIVED on the post. A HUGE chunk of his scoring came from the post, and so did his assists.

Why?

Because LeBron LITERALLY has no weaknesses (maybe aside from the free throw line).

He can be a big. He can be a guard.

I think you (and pretty much everyone on this thread) is defining a 'big man' as their assigned position (i.e. a 4 or a 5), which is kinda ridiculous, ESPECIALLY given the landscape of NBA basketball nowadays.

[Clyde Frazier]

Why would he? He's pretty slow footed with all the money he stole from the knicks stuffed in his pockets weighing him down.

[tsirigoj]

Just to expand, Jokic was 2/9 and had 6 points in the 2nd half and was 1/5 with 4 points in the 4th. Defending Jokic as a scorer was not the Clippers problem in the 4th.

What you say makes a whole lot of sense.

To defend my point, it looked like the Clips NEEDED a jolt of energy though. Maybe Noah is what they needed for that?

I believe it was Jalen Rose that said something incredibly telling at halftime: most team leaders get going, put their teams on their backs, and energize the players around them. Kawhi doesn't seem to do that (energize his teammates). Makes me really question his leadership, unfortunately.

[og15]

He's been a washed up bum for years now.. Where have you been living? You thought Harrell was bad?Sheesh..

Jokic scoring want the problem. Jamal Murray killed the Clippers, and Jokic did his work creating and getting assists. Also the Clippers scored 33 points in the 2nd half. They had a lot of stops and held Denver to 22 points in the 4th,but didn't make any shots. Noah would not have helped at that point.

Reasonable.

So you think the Clippers needed more scorers? That would make sense for them to put in Reggie Jackson then.

Also, Lou Williams seemed NONEXISTENT to me in this series. As a Laker fan, the only player I truly feared on the Clippers was Lou. Dude can go off and look like a superstar on any given night, and I'm not certain we Lakers would have an answer (I'm not sold on Kuzma. Whenever I see him play, even when he's playing well, my mind instantly goes to 'damn. You could have been Lonzo.')

No, the team has enough scorers, they needed someone who was a better floor general, which they don't have. This wasn't a case of needing any player, I'm not saying the roster has no flaws, but this was execution and sucking. PG and Kawhi were 0/11 in the 4th and 2/18 in the 2nd half.

Certain sets were bogging down and they didn't know what to do, but in reality, they also got about three very good looks from 3 and could have cut it down to 7 points with 5 minutes left, and they missed them all. I believe it was Morris, Green and PG who all missed. So both their execution was off, AND they missed the majority of the good looks they did generate.

[DonaldSanders]

Just to expand, Jokic was 2/9 and had 6 points in the 2nd half and was 1/5 with 4 points in the 4th. Defending Jokic as a scorer was not the Clippers problem in the 4th.

Yeah the issue was he was a passing hub for the team -- wonder how many hockey assists he had?

What confuses me was that it seemed like there was never anyone tall enough on Jokic to make his passes difficult. Looked like he had all day in his own stratosphere just to find the perfect pass. The Clippers were also doubling Jokic, so no wonder he didn't score a lot. Even when he got doubled though I don't remember Zubac being there much.

Were the Nuggets just looking for Zubac to get switched off Jokic, then commence the passing drill? What the heck happened there, the Clippers needed someone with height blocking Jokic's vision/lanes with long arms. Noah sounds like he could have at least been a positive there.

[tsirigoj]

Just to expand, Jokic was 2/9 and had 6 points in the 2nd half and was 1/5 with 4 points in the 4th. Defending Jokic as a scorer was not the Clippers problem in the 4th.

Yeah the issue was he was a passing hub for the team -- wonder how many hockey assists he had?

What confuses me was that it seemed like there was never anyone tall enough on Jokic to make his passes difficult. Looked like he had all day in his own stratosphere just to find the perfect pass. The Clippers were also doubling Jokic, so no wonder he didn't score a lot. Even when he got doubled though I don't remember Zubac being there much.

Were the Nuggets just looking for Zubac to get switched off Jokic, then commence the passing drill? What the heck happened there, the Clippers needed someone with height blocking Jokic's vision/lanes with long arms. Noah sounds like he could have at least been a positive there.

Again, JaMychal and Harrell are too short, and Zubac doesn't seem mobile enough, much like Gobert.

Like I've been saying, different story when you have AD and JaVale.

[Mk0]

Noah would have seen time on the court had he played for Doc in Boston

[Raps in 4]

Skilled? Definitely.

But here are some 'big men' that are more skilled:
-Anthony Davis
-Giannis
-Durant (obviously when healthy)
-Joel Embiid

MAYBE I'll put Jokic on the same level as KAT, but that may also be pushing it.

KD is the only guy that is on the same level and KD is a perimeter player and not a big man. How in anyone's right mind is Joel Embiid more skilled than Jokic? I dont think even hardcore 6ers fans would say this.

Wait....I want this in writing.....you think Jokic is more skilled than Anthony Davis AND Giannis?

Yes, easily.

[tsirigoj]

KD is the only guy that is on the same level and KD is a perimeter player and not a big man. How in anyone's right mind is Joel Embiid more skilled than Jokic? I dont think even hardcore 6ers fans would say this.

Wait....I want this in writing.....you think Jokic is more skilled than Anthony Davis AND Giannis?

Yes, easily.

RealGM ain't too bright. I've been on here since 2001, and some of y'all never cease to amaze.

[prophet_of_rage]

Skilled? Definitely.

But here are some 'big men' that are more skilled:
-Anthony Davis
-Giannis
-Durant (obviously when healthy)
-Joel Embiid

MAYBE I'll put Jokic on the same level as KAT, but that may also be pushing it.

KD is the only guy that is on the same level and KD is a perimeter player and not a big man. How in anyone's right mind is Joel Embiid more skilled than Jokic? I dont think even hardcore 6ers fans would say this.

Wait....I want this in writing.....you think Jokic is more skilled than Anthony Davis AND Giannis?

Offensively it isn't close.

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[tsirigoj]

Wait....I want this in writing.....you think Jokic is more skilled than Anthony Davis AND Giannis?

Yes, easily.

RealGM ain't too bright. I've been on here since 2001, and some of y'all never cease to amaze.

Lets put it this way:
If you strip Jokic and Giannis of ALL their athleticism, yes, Jokic would win short-term, but Giannis would figure out to play with what he has (or doesn't have), and eventually would be the better basketball player (case and point: there have been MANY extremely athletic players in the league that don't have the pedigree Giannis has at 25).

AD is a completely different story. Strip him of all of his athleticism, he likely still beats Jokic (lets not forget that AD was a point guard in high school).

[tsirigoj]

KD is the only guy that is on the same level and KD is a perimeter player and not a big man. How in anyone's right mind is Joel Embiid more skilled than Jokic? I dont think even hardcore 6ers fans would say this.

Wait....I want this in writing.....you think Jokic is more skilled than Anthony Davis AND Giannis?

Offensively it isn't close.

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See post above* (not below).

Offensively, it's the same.

AD used to be a PG.

[prophet_of_rage]

Wait....I want this in writing.....you think Jokic is more skilled than Anthony Davis AND Giannis?

Yes. You do realize Jokic is a top 10 player in the game while being arguably the least athletic guy in the league. There is a reason he is able to be as good as he is, its because of his elite skill level.

Again, you are comfortable saying Jokic is more skilled than Anthony Davis?

Offensively, yes. Defensively no.

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[tsirigoj]

Yes. You do realize Jokic is a top 10 player in the game while being arguably the least athletic guy in the league. There is a reason he is able to be as good as he is, its because of his elite skill level.

Again, you are comfortable saying Jokic is more skilled than Anthony Davis?

Offensively, yes. Defensively no.

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I don't agree, but I will say if you define skill as stripping ALL athleticism, I'd say it isn't inconceivable that this is true.

Again, once upon a time, AD was a point guard. He had a completely different skillset and was STILL recruited to play college ball.

[elchengue20]

KD is the only guy that is on the same level and KD is a perimeter player and not a big man. How in anyone's right mind is Joel Embiid more skilled than Jokic? I dont think even hardcore 6ers fans would say this.

Wait....I want this in writing.....you think Jokic is more skilled than Anthony Davis AND Giannis?

Yes. You do realize Jokic is a top 10 player in the game while being arguably the least athletic guy in the league. There is a reason he is able to be as good as he is, its because of his elite skill level.

Lol....Jokic is arguagbly the more skilled 7ft player in the history of the game. If he had the athleticism of AD, Giannis, KD, Embiid or even KAT he would be the GOAT.