Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie?

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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#61 » by HMFFL » Wed May 29, 2024 1:27 pm

chuck_wagon44 wrote:I guess this shows how inept and incompetent bad organizations are.

Last summer, Houston could've gotten their "star" they desperately are seeking this offseason in Kyrie.

But instead, they choose FVV and sign him for more years and money than Kyrie got from Mavs. Fast forward to this season, and Kyrie is the main reason they team is in position to play in finals meanwhile Rockets are trash as usual.



Houston made the correct decision at the time. Toxic Kyrie at the time wasn't going to be good for what Houston was building and FVV provided everything that they needed.

Money is only money in this case and the FVV contract is fine. Houston is still building and developing their young players to his contract is whatever. It's hasn't handicapped them.

The Rockets owner takes criticism all the time and even still when he pays a high dollar amount for a point guard that's won a champion.
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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#62 » by chuck_wagon44 » Wed May 29, 2024 2:36 pm

HMFFL wrote:
chuck_wagon44 wrote:I guess this shows how inept and incompetent bad organizations are.

Last summer, Houston could've gotten their "star" they desperately are seeking this offseason in Kyrie.

But instead, they choose FVV and sign him for more years and money than Kyrie got from Mavs. Fast forward to this season, and Kyrie is the main reason they team is in position to play in finals meanwhile Rockets are trash as usual.



Houston made the correct decision at the time. Toxic Kyrie at the time wasn't going to be good for what Houston was building and FVV provided everything that they needed.

Money is only money in this case and the FVV contract is fine. Houston is still building and developing their young players to his contract is whatever. It's hasn't handicapped them.

The Rockets owner takes criticism all the time and even still when he pays a high dollar amount for a point guard that's won a champion.



I don't think you guys understand how terrible the Rockets owner is.

On top of that, he hired the worst GM in league and extended him just because he is cheaper than all the other GMs
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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#63 » by Special_Puppy » Wed May 29, 2024 4:07 pm

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chuck_wagon44 wrote:I guess this shows how inept and incompetent bad organizations are.

Last summer, Houston could've gotten their "star" they desperately are seeking this offseason in Kyrie.

But instead, they choose FVV and sign him for more years and money than Kyrie got from Mavs. Fast forward to this season, and Kyrie is the main reason they team is in position to play in finals meanwhile Rockets are trash as usual.



This isn't a mystery.

Kyrie behaved like an ass from 2018 to 2023. This includes trade demands, injuries, refusing to comply with municipal laws, offending fanbases with bigoted rhetoric. The analytic data says he is a very good but not great player turning 30.

Only desperate teams will be interested in you if you behave like an ass for half a decade and are on the wrong side of 30. That was Kyrie's fate. He's been on good behavior this year but he still missed a 1/3 of the season so the injury risk is quite real. Teams avoiding Kyrie was sensible. It isn't a coincidence that the only teams interested in his services were fairly desperate.


Also the analytics data said that FVV was underrated and was actually in the same tier as Kyrie (which was somewhat vindicated when the Rockets improved by far the most of any other team)
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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#64 » by HMFFL » Wed May 29, 2024 4:28 pm

chuck_wagon44 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
chuck_wagon44 wrote:I guess this shows how inept and incompetent bad organizations are.

Last summer, Houston could've gotten their "star" they desperately are seeking this offseason in Kyrie.

But instead, they choose FVV and sign him for more years and money than Kyrie got from Mavs. Fast forward to this season, and Kyrie is the main reason they team is in position to play in finals meanwhile Rockets are trash as usual.



Houston made the correct decision at the time. Toxic Kyrie at the time wasn't going to be good for what Houston was building and FVV provided everything that they needed.

Money is only money in this case and the FVV contract is fine. Houston is still building and developing their young players to his contract is whatever. It's hasn't handicapped them.

The Rockets owner takes criticism all the time and even still when he pays a high dollar amount for a point guard that's won a champion.



I don't think you guys understand how terrible the Rockets owner is.

On top of that, he hired the worst GM in league and extended him just because he is cheaper than all the other GMs


I do realize how pathetic he is.

Here's a fact for you: Outside of the Rockets team locker room the owner has a picture of him with his family on the wall. The image is probably ten feet long and several feet wide.

Nobody wants to see that, so he had it updated, and added Ime Udoka'd family to it. He's the only owner that has his own image on the wall in the backstage locker room hallway.

Regardless, he spends money, and you're complaining about it. He pays Dillion Brooks $22m per season, and in a couple of season Jalen Green will receive a max contract.
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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#65 » by Lockdown504090 » Wed May 29, 2024 4:56 pm

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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#66 » by LarsV8 » Wed May 29, 2024 5:51 pm

chuck_wagon44 wrote:I guess this shows how inept and incompetent bad organizations are.

Last summer, Houston could've gotten their "star" they desperately are seeking this offseason in Kyrie.

But instead, they choose FVV and sign him for more years and money than Kyrie got from Mavs. Fast forward to this season, and Kyrie is the main reason they team is in position to play in finals meanwhile Rockets are trash as usual.



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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#67 » by TheAlchemist » Wed May 29, 2024 6:01 pm

I find the Antisemitism rhetoric bewildering.

Amazon has the documentary up on prime, and nobody says a word. They’re literally holding the documentary up on their platform.

Kyrie retweets it in a DEMOCRATIC country, where opinions are of one’s own accord (no matter how crappy), and boom. Kylie is the villain.

I’m so glad he’s doing well this playoffs. I never seen the guy to be as bad as he was portrayed.
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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#68 » by ConSarnit » Wed May 29, 2024 6:08 pm

chuck_wagon44 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
chuck_wagon44 wrote:I guess this shows how inept and incompetent bad organizations are.

Last summer, Houston could've gotten their "star" they desperately are seeking this offseason in Kyrie.

But instead, they choose FVV and sign him for more years and money than Kyrie got from Mavs. Fast forward to this season, and Kyrie is the main reason they team is in position to play in finals meanwhile Rockets are trash as usual.



Houston made the correct decision at the time. Toxic Kyrie at the time wasn't going to be good for what Houston was building and FVV provided everything that they needed.

Money is only money in this case and the FVV contract is fine. Houston is still building and developing their young players to his contract is whatever. It's hasn't handicapped them.

The Rockets owner takes criticism all the time and even still when he pays a high dollar amount for a point guard that's won a champion.



I don't think you guys understand how terrible the Rockets owner is.

On top of that, he hired the worst GM in league and extended him just because he is cheaper than all the other GMs


Regardless of whether the Rockets owner is awful or not, you are still dead wrong about almost everything in your OP.

Both Kyrie’s and FVV’s deals were for 3 years

FVV is only guaranteed $82m. Kyrie is guaranteed his full $120m. Vanvleet’s deal is a team option (ie benefits the team). Kyrie’s deal has a player option (ie benefits the player).

If you’re going to use words like incompetent and inept maybe you should make sure your own ducks are in order.

And this doesn’t even touch on Kyrie’s damaged rep or the fact that Houston cannot just wave a magical wand and say “Kyrie, you are signing here” because it takes 2 parties to come to an agreement and we have no idea if Kyrie wanted to go to Houston.

Bottom line: if you want to call someone incompetent it loses a lot of luster if you yourself are incompetent.
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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#69 » by zshawn10 » Fri May 31, 2024 3:03 pm

HMFFL wrote:
chuck_wagon44 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
Houston made the correct decision at the time. Toxic Kyrie at the time wasn't going to be good for what Houston was building and FVV provided everything that they needed.

Money is only money in this case and the FVV contract is fine. Houston is still building and developing their young players to his contract is whatever. It's hasn't handicapped them.

The Rockets owner takes criticism all the time and even still when he pays a high dollar amount for a point guard that's won a champion.



I don't think you guys understand how terrible the Rockets owner is.

On top of that, he hired the worst GM in league and extended him just because he is cheaper than all the other GMs


I do realize how pathetic he is.

Here's a fact for you: Outside of the Rockets team locker room the owner has a picture of him with his family on the wall. The image is probably ten feet long and several feet wide.

Nobody wants to see that, so he had it updated, and added Ime Udoka'd family to it. He's the only owner that has his own image on the wall in the backstage locker room hallway.

Regardless, he spends money, and you're complaining about it. He pays Dillion Brooks $22m per season, and in a couple of season Jalen Green will receive a max contract.


I hate both of those outcomes right now

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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#70 » by ___Rand___ » Fri May 31, 2024 4:33 pm

KodiakBear wrote:Because Kyrie was seen as toxic last year. Lots of teams weren't signing him that should have. To be fair it wasn't just the antisemitic documentary and what went down in Brooklyn. He wasn't really seen as a winner. The last time Kyrie was on the court in a conference finals was in Cleveland before this year


Because Kyrie IS toxic. Jason Kidd is the only coach we've seen who's been able to keep Kyrie under control and playing THIS well. They have connected very well and that's a BIG reason for this change in Kyrie. Kidd has brought out Kyrie's best.
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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#71 » by Jabroni Lames » Fri May 31, 2024 6:26 pm

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KodiakBear wrote:Because Kyrie was seen as toxic last year. Lots of teams weren't signing him that should have. To be fair it wasn't just the antisemitic documentary and what went down in Brooklyn. He wasn't really seen as a winner. The last time Kyrie was on the court in a conference finals was in Cleveland before this year


Because Kyrie IS toxic. Jason Kidd is the only coach we've seen who's been able to keep Kyrie under control and playing THIS well. They have connected very well and that's a BIG reason for this change in Kyrie. Kidd has brought out Kyrie's best.


Oh... so Jason Kidd IS a great coach?

Most of this board thinks Spo & Nurse are top 2, and everybody else is fighting for 2nd or 3rd tier.

Thibs & Kidd have really shut up people on this board when it comes to overrating & underrating certain coaches.
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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#72 » by TorontoBarneys » Fri May 31, 2024 6:32 pm

Because Kyrie was unpersoned due to having politically incorrect opinions.

The end.
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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#73 » by JJtheBricklayer » Fri May 31, 2024 8:04 pm

TravisScott55 wrote:Media did a good job of convincing everyone that Kyrie was a toxic asset.


I mean he is toxic.

but if you can hide him behind a top 1-2 player in the league and remove all the pressure off him he can do well.

hes proven he aint **** without a generational talent next to him
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Re: Why did the Rockets sign FVV to more years/money over Kyrie? 

Post#74 » by djsunyc » Fri May 31, 2024 8:13 pm

i have no skin in this game.

all i'm going to say is that kyrie was a toxic asset in boston and brooklyn. he has not been one in dallas and that's were he stands today. so what happened in boston and brooklyn does not matter one bit to dallas right now b/c they haven't experienced it. could they in the future, sure? but that hasn't happened yet.

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