Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

[xdrta+]

I know KD wanted out, but ending up with an overpaid and low motor player like Wiggins is going to get a few people fired. Maybe they just wanted someone that Draymond can bully and playact as their leader.

Haha, just who do you think will get fired? Here's a hint--no one.

[DS17]

If DLO got traded this fast instead of the summer... Makes me believe the rumors we've been hearing about him.

[Zvaart]

Nothing about DLo in this trade, i think. the dubs just wanted a sf, and somehow they decided Wiggins is the one. We'll see how this pans out. Till now his debut is promising, effort on defense, playing within the flow of the offense. But you know what they say:
Every miracle last three days. Too small of a sample, we need to wait and see more.
I'm not mad as it is now. Better have Wiggins than nothing, i don't consider him a net negative.

[mplsfonz23]

But, in the three games he's played so far for the Warriors he's making it look like they would have won the trade even if the pick wasn't included.

This is from a Bay Area station after Monday's game.

Andrew Wiggins' up-and-down night
The knock on Wiggins entering his tenure in Golden State was his lack of motor in games. He showed that quality in the first half, making just one shot in 16 minutes and failing to make an impact as the Warriors went down big.

However, he showed life in the third quarter, scoring 14 of his 17 points in the frame to help the Dubs get back into the game. Still, he disappeared once again in the fourth quarter, taking just two shots as the Heat blew the game back open.

At the moment, Golden State's biggest challenge is keeping Wiggins consistently engaged. Time will tell if that goal actually will be met.

This is Wiggins in a nutshell. He was awesome for Minnesota when we started the season. Seemed engaged. Then Fortnite took over. That's his love.

I get that, which is why I said the real test is next year, and I'm not going to make any determination on who won the trade until then. His mindset is what really worries me, but I'm hoping that the Warriors culture and coaching will help him mature. They have a good track record of doing this in the past, so I'm hoping that this is another one of those cases.

We said that for FIVE seasons. Keep hope alive. But Wiggins is who he is. The only person who may get the max out of him EVERY night is Pop. That's a hard maybe.
Also, just look at how he reverted back to his old self in just THREE games. That's all he could muster? 3 games?
Doesn't matter who won the trade, we got a piece that we "needed" and you guys got a talented lazy player who can't focus for a whole game, let alone a season. I am willing to bet by the end of the season, your board will turn on him.

[mplsfonz23]

I'm not going to get out over my skis and try determine what type of player Wiggins will be for the Warriors but he hasn't done anything in the three games he has played to make me hate the trade at all. I'm going to give him a clean slate and not hold anything against him for what he did playing in Minny. Time will tell if he is playing more motivated on defense because he just got traded or if he is trying to turn over a new leaf with a new team. I'm rooting for the guy.

We think the same about Russell. Doesn't he get a clean slate? He's actually "wanted here in Sota, more than any other place he's played. At least he fits a need, and he is BFF's with our best player. Wiggins doesn't mesh with people well, and as soon as Dray gets in his face, Wiggins will disappear. Time will tell.

[mplsfonz23]

I think it's becoming clear that Wiggins just doesn't love basketball. His mother was an Olympic athlete and his father a pro baller. So while he's been gifted with great physical traits it seems that he was pushed to play ball.

Ding ding ding. I have been saying this for a couple of years now. I still think he didn't want to play ball just before he signed that huge contract. It took him weeks before he signed it once the offer was on the table. Who does that? Most would have driven thru the night just to sign.

[mplsfonz23]

If DLO got traded this fast instead of the summer... Makes me believe the rumors we've been hearing about him.

Can you explain? What rumors?

[BongBoyKlay]

This is from a Bay Area station after Monday's game.



This is Wiggins in a nutshell. He was awesome for Minnesota when we started the season. Seemed engaged. Then Fortnite took over. That's his love.

I get that, which is why I said the real test is next year, and I'm not going to make any determination on who won the trade until then. His mindset is what really worries me, but I'm hoping that the Warriors culture and coaching will help him mature. They have a good track record of doing this in the past, so I'm hoping that this is another one of those cases.

We said that for FIVE seasons. Keep hope alive. But Wiggins is who he is. The only person who may get the max out of him EVERY night is Pop. That's a hard maybe.
Also, just look at how he reverted back to his old self in just THREE games. That's all he could muster? 3 games?
Doesn't matter who won the trade, we got a piece that we "needed" and you guys got a talented lazy player who can't focus for a whole game, let alone a season. I am willing to bet by the end of the season, your board will turn on him.

I am willing to bet the same thing about Russell. Only time will tell. From the Warriors' perspective, we got rid of a piece that was going to make us worse next year and was already starting to cause problems for the team. Wiggins may never reach his potential, but his fit is so much better than Russell's that he is worth the risk for us.

Don't know how accurate these reports are, but a lot of the reports coming out of Golden State were negative regarding Russell:

Warriors were disappointed in him from the time he came in because they wanted him to come into training camp in better shape so he would be better suited to play in the motion offense, but he wasn't in shape. He claims that he doesn't do that in the offseason because he doesn't want to risk injury, but increasing your stamina actually helps prevents you from injuries.

Draymond gave up on trying to get him to play defense after about two weeks so that just wasn't going to work for the Warriors next season. Russell had no interest in putting in effort on defense.

Russell wasn't as accepting of changing his playstyle as he made it seems to the media. He would get angry and push back at the coaching staff when they would try to make him play less iso ball and more off-ball. Also, when Russell was out the Warriors offense looked a lot better because they were able to run their motion offense without the ball stopping in Russell's hands.

[mplsfonz23]

I get that, which is why I said the real test is next year, and I'm not going to make any determination on who won the trade until then. His mindset is what really worries me, but I'm hoping that the Warriors culture and coaching will help him mature. They have a good track record of doing this in the past, so I'm hoping that this is another one of those cases.

We said that for FIVE seasons. Keep hope alive. But Wiggins is who he is. The only person who may get the max out of him EVERY night is Pop. That's a hard maybe.
Also, just look at how he reverted back to his old self in just THREE games. That's all he could muster? 3 games?
Doesn't matter who won the trade, we got a piece that we "needed" and you guys got a talented lazy player who can't focus for a whole game, let alone a season. I am willing to bet by the end of the season, your board will turn on him.

I am willing to bet the same thing about Russell. Only time will tell. From the Warriors' perspective, we got rid of a piece that was going to make us worse next year and was already starting to cause problems for the team. Wiggins may never reach his potential, but his fit is so much better than Russell's that he is worth the risk for us.

Don't know how accurate these reports are, but a lot of the reports coming out of Golden State were negative regarding Russell:

Warriors were disappointed in him from the time he came in because they wanted him to come into training camp in better shape so he would be better suited to play in the motion offense, but he wasn't in shape. He claims that he doesn't do that in the offseason because he doesn't want to risk injury, but increasing your stamina actually helps prevents you from injuries.

Draymond gave up on trying to get him to play defense after about two weeks so that just wasn't going to work for the Warriors next season. Russell had no interest in putting in effort on defense.

Russell wasn't as accepting of changing his playstyle as he made it seems to the media. He would get angry and push back at the coaching staff when they would try to make him play less iso ball and more off-ball. Also, when Russell was out the Warriors offense looked a lot better because they were able to run their motion offense without the ball stopping in Russell's hands.

I didn't really want DLo, but wanted to get rid of Wiggins more. Pretty much seem like we both exchanged turds, except your turd comes with a sprinkle on top. (Draft pick.)
Willing to bet Dray gives up on trying to teach Wiggins D. We both got fit, ours still has the will to play, Wiggins doesn't. He is durable, that about the only thing positive I can think of.

[My Main Man]

I can't think of another trade where fanbases spent 40 pages trying to convince the other team that the player they traded was worse.

[xdrta+]

I can't think of another trade where fanbases spent 40 pages trying to convince the other team that the player they traded was worse.

Haha, so far it's a tossup.

[mandurugo]

I can't think of another trade where fanbases spent 40 pages trying to convince the other team that the player they traded was worse.

Haha, so far it's a tossup.

Yep - which shows how much the Warriors won that trade. Being a Timberwolves fan can be depressing at times.

[NoZoLakers]

Nothing about DLo in this trade, i think. the dubs just wanted a sf, and somehow they decided Wiggins is the one. We'll see how this pans out. Till now his debut is promising, effort on defense, playing within the flow of the offense. But you know what they say:
Every miracle last three days. Too small of a sample, we need to wait and see more.
I'm not mad as it is now. Better have Wiggins than nothing, i don't consider him a net negative.

but stats says he is

[SpreeS]

Its only 3 games, but we can see differences in Wiggins game

% of FGA by Distance 0-10 and 3P
GSW 87.5% MIN 81.4%

FTr
GSW 0.525 MIN 0.262

%Ast'd
GSW 74% MIN 46.2%

Defense

Yes, he tries more. How long Wiggins will try, we will see, but he has tools to be very good defender.

so far 2.2STL and 1.7BLK

Wiggins in 99min Ortg 113.7 Drtg 106.6 Netrtg +7.1
Wiggins out 49min Ortg 93.5 Drtg 134.4 Netrtg -40.9

[DS17]

If DLO got traded this fast instead of the summer... Makes me believe the rumors we've been hearing about him.

Can you explain? What rumors?

Rumours of DLO being a bad locker room guy, bad character guy, and not fully committed to winning.

[floppymoose]

If you look around on youtube you can find some of Green being seemingly upset at DLo on court. The rumors are that DLo was not regarded well in the locker room.

[DarkXaero]

at people believing bs about D Lo being a bad locker room guy

[FinnTheHuman]

I’m just glad we got a high usage ball handling scorer/shooter at the PG position. Didn’t have that for a looooong time.

And Warriors didn’t need that. They got Curry for that, even Klay is capable of that when really needed, Russell was redundant. They really did need a guy that can defend the small forwards, cut and generally play off ball a little bit more.

I think it’s a win for both sides in terms of theoretical fit, but because of the quality of the pieces in a vacuum it’s nothing more than a moderate win until proven otherwise.

[chitownsalesmen]

I think it's becoming clear that Wiggins just doesn't love basketball. His mother was an Olympic athlete and his father a pro baller. So while he's been gifted with great physical traits it seems that he was pushed to play ball.

Ding ding ding. I have been saying this for a couple of years now. I still think he didn't want to play ball just before he signed that huge contract. It took him weeks before he signed it once the offer was on the table. Who does that? Most would have driven thru the night just to sign.

Thats how bad Wiggs didn't want to be in Minny I think...


I feel like there is a slight chance Wiggins turns into the player most thought he could be when he was drafted, If not I can see him getting close to that player.

Happiness is a function of expectations, if GSW fans are expecting him to replace Durant thats not likely to end up with anyone happy. If more realistically they are expecting Wiggins to be a younger/more athletic Harrison Barnes that would be a better place to start.

Look I'm a huge Jimmy Butler fan, just a fierce competitor but he was most certainly not the best guy to have around a young, talented guy who was highly recruited, came from a seemingly good family and has been given a lot more opportunity in his career then a young Jimmy did. That was probably just never going to end well.

If WIggins is going to meet his potential anywhere it'll be GS. Wiggins is on a team/organization who can develop him, with the perfect type of players surrounding him to maximize his game. All he has to do is commit fully to defense, play within the Warrior offense, and be content with being a 3rd option. I know thats basically saying he just needs to play better but he has the ability to do all that and more.

[Bankai]

So if Wiggins = Russell as Players and as Contracts, then theoretically the Warriors still won the Trade, because the Draft Pick could be a Top 10 considering the bad situation the Wolves are in, that they dont look like they will get out of.