Cam Reddish is terrible...

[Buzzard]

2nd year guy who was a known project when drafted having some struggles. Not sure what is thread worthy about this honestly.

Its very much like our local news. Bad news grabs peoples attention/ratings ( replies )

[The_Hater]

Was it worth the risk? There were a bunch of really solid prospects still on the board that are completely outplaying him.

Reddish sucked in college and guys who don’t show feel for the game, passing, shooting, or a handle rarely just develop one.

Reddish is an idea of a player rather than a player himself. I wouldn’t have taken him in the top-30. Worth the risk is Cavs swinging and missing on KPJ at 30 not taking a known bum at 10 hoping he’d stop being bad cause he’s tall. Being super athletic really isn’t that adventurous on offense if you can slash or score inside.

Reddish last 21 games to end his rookie season
14.6 ppg in 28.5 mpg on 60 TS%

47.0 FG%
41.7 3pt% (over 5+ attempts)
82.7 FT%

I know it isn’t a huge sample but bums who can’t shoot, dribble, or have any feel for the game aren’t doing what he did to end the season & a lot of hawks fans were extremely high on him as was the gm. Now Reddish has absolutely reverted back to his early rookie season tendencies where he really struggled (8 ppg on 43 TS% in his first 35 games) but a lot of it has to do with his abysmal 3pt%......(he shot a good bit higher in college and last year + he is a good FT%) I don’t think he’s as bad as shooter as we’ve seen but we will see.

Since he was always touted as a shooter, one has to think there’s improvement coming at some point. But his college 3FG numbers were poor, his rookie numbers were poor (even including the 21 game hit streak) and his current numbers are going the wrong direction. At some point he has to just make them.

I remember thinking that at worst, Nik Stauskas would be a dead eye 3 point shooter. He made them in college at over 44% and he made his FT’s at every level. And his modest career average of 35.3% just made him unemployed. Reddish is at 31.5% for his career right now.

[Buzzard]

Was it worth the risk? There were a bunch of really solid prospects still on the board that are completely outplaying him.

Reddish sucked in college and guys who don’t show feel for the game, passing, shooting, or a handle rarely just develop one.

Reddish is an idea of a player rather than a player himself. I wouldn’t have taken him in the top-30. Worth the risk is Cavs swinging and missing on KPJ at 30 not taking a known bum at 10 hoping he’d stop being bad cause he’s tall. Being super athletic really isn’t that adventurous on offense if you can slash or score inside.

Reddish last 21 games to end his rookie season
14.6 ppg in 28.5 mpg on 60 TS%

47.0 FG%
41.7 3pt% (over 5+ attempts)
82.7 FT%

I know it isn’t a huge sample but bums who can’t shoot, dribble, or have any feel for the game aren’t doing what he did to end the season & a lot of hawks fans were extremely high on him as was the gm. Now Reddish has absolutely reverted back to his early rookie season tendencies where he really struggled (8 ppg on 43 TS% in his first 35 games) but a lot of it has to do with his abysmal 3pt%......(he shot a good bit higher in college and last year + he is a good FT%) I don’t think he’s as bad as shooter as we’ve seen but we will see.

Since he was always touted as a shooter, one has to think there’s improvement coming at some point. But his college 3FG numbers were poor, his rookie numbers were poor (even including the 21 game hit streak) and his current numbers are going the wrong direction. At some point he has to just make them.

I remember thinking that at worst, Nik Stauskas would be a dead eye 3 point shooter. He made them in college at over 44% and he made his FT’s at every level. And his modest career average of 35.3% just made him unemployed. Reddish is at 31.5% for his career right now.

The promise with Reddish is in his good shooting stroke. It looks good on every shot. Its obvious at the free throw line where he has a career 80.3 average. In college he shot 77.2 from the charity stripe and 33.3 from the three point line.

I think his issue is getting properly set and balanced. He is very inconsistent. But at the line, there is no rush, he is squared and balanced every time. Vince Carter helped him last season and he seemed to find a groove. Now that groove is gone. I still have hope for him because his shot looks so good.

[Jamaaliver]

...he's costing the Hawks a lot of games. That's all.

Looking forward to Hawks fan telling me how he's not and rationalize it based on his 'superstar potential on both ends'.

The Hawks might have to make a decision soon because there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen rn and Reddish needs A LOT of time, focus and opportunity to develop on offense... They might be forced to choose between gambling on his potential moving forward or trying to compete around Trae/JC and vets... Right now they're trying to do both and the results are stuck in the middle.

He's been awful for most of this year. And there's a reason he is slated to come off the bench every season...but this year and last he's been cast into a role he is ill suited for as a starter due to injuries.

The fact remains, he was a project coming out of college and he's played a combined 75 games thus far in his career...not even a full season's worth of games.

He'd be better off working on his game behind the scenes or in the G-League. I suspect he won't fully reach his potential until his second NBA contract...on his second NBA team.

[NO-KG-AI]

He was also very mediocre in high school and poor in college. The next time he actually sustains great basketball for a long time, will be the first time.


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[Spud2nique]

And he's costing the Hawks a lot of games. That's all.

Looking forward to Hawks fan telling me how he's not and rationalize it based on his 'superstar potential on both ends'.

Wait till next Wednesday before you talk. He’s got another shot against you guys! He’s inconsistent yes but his ceiling is higher than Luka.

The guy shot 36/33 in college while not scoring that much, same thing in the NBA so far. Saying his ceiling is higher than Luka is just meaningless, that's one of those fake ceilings that some fans create.

What is his actual realistic ceiling, not the imaginary, "if he drastically improves at every single aspect of basketball" ceiling?

First off let me say I respect your Clipper nation and actively root for them, specially over the likes of the scrubs and the fakers and such. Having said that, I do disagree that I’m creating an “ imaginary ceiling” for him. I put him in the same boat as a Marvin Bagley as far as talent, it’s their and the potential is high due to the skills he possesses, I’ve seen some of the flashes and I haven’t seen them from may players and I’ve been watching for 39 years or so. I’m not saying Cam is Michael Jordan, but he’s a player that could be a superstar someday but right now his consistency is preventing him from even demanding time as a 6th man or even floor time period. A lot of super young guys with big time skills too a few years and I directly liken this aspect of Cam’s growing pains to those of Tmac from 20 years ago. Took him a while too.

[Jakay]

Right now is offense is closer to this level: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tskitni01.html

[NY 567]

And he's costing the Hawks a lot of games. That's all.

Looking forward to Hawks fan telling me how he's not and rationalize it based on his 'superstar potential on both ends'.

Wait till next Wednesday before you talk. He’s got another shot against you guys! He’s inconsistent yes but his ceiling is higher than Luka.

His ceiling is Shandon Anderson.

[zimpy27]

Never seen a guy put up prettier misses. Dude is an outlier.

[og15]

Wait till next Wednesday before you talk. He’s got another shot against you guys! He’s inconsistent yes but his ceiling is higher than Luka.

The guy shot 36/33 in college while not scoring that much, same thing in the NBA so far. Saying his ceiling is higher than Luka is just meaningless, that's one of those fake ceilings that some fans create.

What is his actual realistic ceiling, not the imaginary, "if he drastically improves at every single aspect of basketball" ceiling?

First off let me say I respect your Clipper nation and actively root for them, specially over the likes of the scrubs and the fakers and such. Having said that, I do disagree that I’m creating an “ imaginary ceiling” for him. I put him in the same boat as a Marvin Bagley as far as talent, it’s their and the potential is high due to the skills he possesses, I’ve seen some of the flashes and I haven’t seen them from may players and I’ve been watching for 39 years or so. I’m not saying Cam is Michael Jordan, but he’s a player that could be a superstar someday but right now his consistency is preventing him from even demanding time as a 6th man or even floor time period. A lot of super young guys with big time skills too a few years and I directly liken this aspect of Cam’s growing pains to those of Tmac from 20 years ago. Took him a while too.

I have nothing against the guy or the Hawks, none of this is personal in any way.

If he's never shown consistency at any level and has been inefficient at every level, then isn't that telling us that the talent for consistency at a high level is actually not there?

It's a skill to know how to consistently perform, how to find ways to get points when one way is not working. It would be different if in college he showed some consistency high level play for example, but there's no example of consistent high level play from him.

Tmac was an 18 year old rookie and at 21 he was averaging 26/8/5. Reddish is 21 right now, offensively he is currently less consistent than 18 year old rookie McGrady.

I understand many overrate players on their favorite team, but there's a difference between saying he's going to be better and can become pretty good, or even saying he has All-Star potential versus saying his ceiling is basically a top 5 player in the league, which is what better than Luka would be.

[MrBigShot]

He shot 35.6% in college as a 6'8 forward. How in the world he got drafted so high is beyond me.

[Threezus]

His offense is struggling seriously lately although when he has it going it looks awesome and like a guy who could be an allstar. Problem for me that his great nights are few and far between on the offensive end. Now as far as his defense goes i have no complaints there as he is usually put on the opposing teams best offensive player. He is a much better defender right now than he is on offense so he is still a useful player to have. I view him similar to Dunn for us right now as a legit very good defender with limited offense. I still haven't given up on Reddish because when he is on as said he looks phenomenal but how the hell do we get him to be that player every game or atleast 80% of the month instead of 20% of the month.

[Capn'O]

i remember going into the draft i looked back at his high school/aau stats from various events and they were pretty mediocre. still not sure how this dude got the hype he did, as far as i can tell he's never actually been good at basketball (relatively of course)

His highlights and good games are amazing. Looks like a perfect basketball player physique with a buttery shooting form. He just kinda, well, sucks.

[slicedbread2]

Cam Reddish is out there spamming shots like Spam Radish!

I still am in disbelief at how badly this dude has been playing. In his 2 year, he looks like he hasn't gotten any better and he has yet to crack 40% from the field and he's regressed outside of his FT% and is a worse 3pt shooter somehow. Travis Schlenk is very fortunate that he found a potential gold mine in De'Andre Hunter b/c otherwise he'd look really bad. They may have been better off taking Cam Johnson or even P.J. Washington and having Hunter take on the 2 or 3 whenever the situation called for it. Here's the shooting splits of Hunter and Reddish in college:

Hunter(keep in mind he took a redshirt his 1st year at Virginia) so 2 years of play: 51/42/77
Cam Reddish(one year at Duke): 36/33/77

They say when it comes to translating shooting from the college level to the NBA level that if you are shooting is in the high 40s-low 50s along with shooting 3's in the high 30s-low 40s and your FT% is in the low 80s-low 90s it will translate very well. The fact that Reddish played so horribly yet somehow was taken with the 10th pick is either a result of the scouting system being completely broken or pure dumb luck.

If Schlenk were smart, he should cash in on Reddish and build the team around Young, Hunter and Collins and try to find a better fit whilst Cam's value is deemed salvageable before it sours any further as he's clearly a multi-year project and based on where the Hawks are going they need to commit to one direction: either develop talent like Reddish knowing you have a crowded roster itching for playing time or contend. Try to do both and it will end up being mediocre.

[stormi]

wholelottareddish

[MGB8]

So, wait, the Hawks lose after Cam Reddish goes 5 for 14 - 12 pts, 2 boards, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover (though with a better +/- than Huerter who went 7 for 14 for 16 pts, 1 rb 1 assist, 3 turnovers, 3 steals)... with Rajon Rondo going 0 for 7 - zero points (though 6 rbs, 8 assists), Clint Capella going 3 for 14, 6 points (though 17 rebounds), Brandon Goodwin going 1 for 10 (6 points, 2 rb, 3 asst, 2 TO) and Danillo Gallinari going 1 for 6 (5 points, 4 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 TO)...

And the thread gets started about Reddish? I mean, Reddish has been super inconsistent both this season and last, he started getting hot, got hurt, came back, looked bad for 2 games, then blew up against Brooklyn, then looked bad some more....

But at the end of the day he was drafted as an unfinished project player, so that's kind of what you expect. The real question is whether the Hawks see signs of continuing, if unsteady, improvement by the end of the season.

[shakes0]

Cam's main issue is that he's basketball stupid. He really doesn't have a clue what he's doing out there on offense. It leads to him taking one awful shot after anothe while also making poor decisions at every turn.

Seriously, there should be a rule that if you are shooting 3s below a certain % you are not allowed to take any step back 3s.