Let Danny Ainge Rot

[Alatan]

Spoiler:

He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem, let Mitchell ruin your tank and just have yourself a disgruntled superstar. We have all the assets and therefore we, the Knicks, can dictate how this goes down.

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

how Knicks' fan thinks their assets look.



how Knicks assets really look.

Har har har.

If these assets weren't so valuable, why is Ainge so adamant about grabbing as many as he can?

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Just saying, there's Miami but I think also Orlando could give back a very interesting package.
This is not a Kyrie to LA situation, Mitchell does have a market.

[MalonesElbows]

knicks have no leverage in the situation. ainge will win the trade, and if the knicks get mitchell.....good luck with your 6'1" no defense backcourt.

Knicks have all the leverage, nobody outside OKC can afford the price of picks

False, first, Mitchell has not demanded a trade to NY. Second, he has not demanded a trade at all. Third, he is under contract 3 more years, so they may be just fine trading him next off season, or trading him at draft time in a package to move up to 1 or 2.

A team with Mitchell means more regular season ticket holders, financially it doesn't make sense to trade Mitchell unless you're getting a good haul. Honestly NY is not a great trading partner, they have no good young talent and have been scarred in the past by trading boatloads of picks.

[DrCoach]

knicks have no leverage in the situation. ainge will win the trade, and if the knicks get mitchell.....good luck with your 6'1" no defense backcourt.

Knicks have all the leverage, nobody outside OKC can afford the price of picks

False, first, Mitchell has not demanded a trade to NY. Second, he has not demanded a trade at all. Third, he is under contract 3 more years, so they may be just fine trading him next off season, or trading him at draft time in a package to move up to 1 or 2.

A team with Mitchell means more regular season ticket holders, financially it doesn't make sense to trade Mitchell unless you're getting a good haul. Honestly NY is not a great trading partner, they have no good young talent and have been scarred in the past by trading boatloads of picks.

What great players did Minny trade?

And Knicks have 8 st rd picks and lots of good young talent

Its delusional to think otherwise

[NoStatsGuy]

danny ainge been fleecing GMs in the NBA for years now. it has never braught much success the last years but hes in a league with a few others.

leon rose and dolan will crumble to his feet and give him everything he wants. i see where you comming from and your idea is correct. but the reality looks a lot different. the knicks are not dictating anything. the knicks are desperate and ainge will abuse that to the fullest.

they can just send donnie home and dont play him

[loserX]

First of all, as good as Mitchell is, I am not one who believes that the Jazz will be able to utterly clean out the Knicks (or anyone else) in exchange for him. Some of my fellow Jazz fans may need to temper their expectations a little.

With that said:

If these assets weren't so valuable, why is Ainge so adamant about grabbing as many as he can?

is not a great argument in favour of the Knicks' assets. If these nickels I have aren't so valuable, why are you demanding 20 of them for your dollar?

[omerome]

First of all, as good as Mitchell is, I am not one who believes that the Jazz will be able to utterly clean out the Knicks (or anyone else) in exchange for him. Some of my fellow Jazz fans may need to temper their expectations a little.

With that said:

If these assets weren't so valuable, why is Ainge so adamant about grabbing as many as he can?

is not a great argument in favour of the Knicks' assets. If these nickels I have aren't so valuable, why are you demanding 20 of them for your dollar?

Then why is he even bothering to literally give up his most valuable asset for those same nickels?

[Ryoga Hibiki]

First of all, as good as Mitchell is, I am not one who believes that the Jazz will be able to utterly clean out the Knicks (or anyone else) in exchange for him. Some of my fellow Jazz fans may need to temper their expectations a little.

With that said:

If these assets weren't so valuable, why is Ainge so adamant about grabbing as many as he can?

is not a great argument in favour of the Knicks' assets. If these nickels I have aren't so valuable, why are you demanding 20 of them for your dollar?

Then why is he even bothering to literally give up his most valuable asset for those same nickels?

because there's a lot of them

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[jefe]

Ainge saving the Knicks from themselves. I don't understand the fascination of pairing Brunson and Mitchell in the same back court.

[HotelVitale]

danny ainge been fleecing GMs in the NBA for years now. it has never braught much success the last years but hes in a league with a few others.

leon rose and dolan will crumble to his feet and give him everything he wants. i see where you comming from and your idea is correct. but the reality looks a lot different. the knicks are not dictating anything. the knicks are desperate and ainge will abuse that to the fullest.

they can just send donnie home and dont play him

I don't really think Ainge has been fleecing people in general, most of his trades have been a mixed bag aside from the couple famous ones, and few were clearly lopsided at the time. It's just that he recognizes his own leverage and doesn't give in when he doesn't have to, and he doesn't play himself when he's got the upper hand. Trading valuable things is when he's cleaned up.

Like you said that's what's happening here. The Knicks very much want a very valuable thing Ainge has, and nothing is pressuring him to give it to them. The Knicks can either pony up or delay things, but Ainge knows that Mitchell's value isn't really going to go down any time soon and that the Knicks would strongly prefer to have him ASAP. He's got the upper hand here for sure, and he'll hold it for a long time.

[Patsfan1081]

danny ainge been fleecing GMs in the NBA for years now. it has never braught much success the last years but hes in a league with a few others.

leon rose and dolan will crumble to his feet and give him everything he wants. i see where you comming from and your idea is correct. but the reality looks a lot different. the knicks are not dictating anything. the knicks are desperate and ainge will abuse that to the fullest.

they can just send donnie home and dont play him

This is a odd thing to say after Boston was just in the finals behind the players he got from that Nets trade. Like we’re just finding out what type of players those picks are turning into we wont know what the results will be from the ones that Gobert/Mitchell have turned into. The KD trade got him a title, Brooklyn tade has got Boston intothe finals or conference finals 4 of the last seven seasons…..I think he’s had sime success.

[loserX]

First of all, as good as Mitchell is, I am not one who believes that the Jazz will be able to utterly clean out the Knicks (or anyone else) in exchange for him. Some of my fellow Jazz fans may need to temper their expectations a little.

With that said:

If these assets weren't so valuable, why is Ainge so adamant about grabbing as many as he can?

is not a great argument in favour of the Knicks' assets. If these nickels I have aren't so valuable, why are you demanding 20 of them for your dollar?

Then why is he even bothering to literally give up his most valuable asset for those same nickels?

Maybe he thinks he can get $1.05 for it if he gets 21 nickels. That doesn't mean the nickels are particularly valuable.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem, let Mitchell ruin your tank and just have yourself a disgruntled superstar. We have all the assets and therefore we, the Knicks, can dictate how this goes down.

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

THE Demolition Man


You know everyone wants to claim Ainge got soooo much for Gorbert. I'm not so sure. Minnesota got none of the Wolves top four players ... maybe not even a top six guy. That's a lot of salary filler. Would Beasley, Beverly or Vanderbilt get you a FRP in a heads up trade? I'm not so sure.

So Utah gets lots of bits of value stretched out over seven years. You might expect your value to double in seven years. So real immediate value must be discounted then as well. What would Gorbert be worth in just FRP value? Two, maybe (probably) three.

So, if you discount the eight FRPs over seven years against a package delivering value now. Maybe you get Four FRPs in value maybe five. Still, everyone agrees that four quarters aren't worth a dollar in the NBA ... so ten dimes is probably worth even less.

I'm not saying Minnie didn't overpay somewhat, but given they think they are ready to compete and Gorbert can add to what the have nicely ... it's not that bad a move.


As for getting a haul for Mitchell ... same thing only if it pays out over a decade.


Last point - Randle, D Rose and four FRPs is probably the fourth best offer the Nets and KD might agree upon. New Orleans, Phoenix and Toronto can all give far better assets up front ... even to the point of only needing to include 3 FRPs to still edge you out. Now include Barrett and you may be in the running. Fournier and Reddish will put on par with the Lakers.

This is what I’m thinking


Ainge is looking at his roster after getting all of the national media back pats and sees zero franchise pieces. He likely did not get a future starter for a generational talent. Ooo he got a 27 and 29 first rounder from a team that’ll have 2 shaper stars in their prime, theoretically.

Ainge had a 5 year minimum rebuild ahead of him. And that’s if his draft picks pan out to be good nba players.


Right now, post Mitchell, he may as well be the Washington generals.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I'm on board with letting Ainge rot, I suggest a Venezuelan prison

Also on board with the narrative the TWolves front office's below room temperature (in Minny) IQ level trade ruined the offseason. We could have had fun trades all over the board but they had to go and trade like 8 million picks for freaking Gobert, who barely anyone else was even bidding on

As for NYK they need to stand firm, Brunson and Mitchell is undersized, you can't trade the farm for that perpetual 2nd round exit backcourt. Just say no.

Like the wolves give a s*it if someone like you wanted to have fun…or worse give someone like phoenix a chance at getting Durant.

[OrangeBlueSkies]

I'm on board with letting Ainge rot, I suggest a Venezuelan prison

Also on board with the narrative the TWolves front office's below room temperature (in Minny) IQ level trade ruined the offseason. We could have had fun trades all over the board but they had to go and trade like 8 million picks for freaking Gobert, who barely anyone else was even bidding on

As for NYK they need to stand firm, Brunson and Mitchell is undersized, you can't trade the farm for that perpetual 2nd round exit backcourt. Just say no.

Like the wolves give a s*it if someone like you wanted to have fun…or worse give someone like phoenix a chance at getting Durant.

It’s not even about fun… it’s the market being ruined but we are the NY Knicks, we attract players. Minnesota had to give up what they gave up to get a player of goberts level… they arent signing top tier free agents.

[bisme37]

Unless the Jazz have other teams trying to give them the farm for Mitchell I don't know why the Knicks would raise their offer. The idea is to get the player you want with the lowest possible package going the other way. No reason to outbid yourself.

[Catchall]

Unless the Jazz have other teams trying to give them the farm for Mitchell I don't know why the Knicks would raise their offer. The idea is to get the player you want with the lowest possible package going the other way. No reason to outbid yourself.

The Knicks are bidding against the Jazz keeping Mitchell for another year or two.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I'm on board with letting Ainge rot, I suggest a Venezuelan prison

Also on board with the narrative the TWolves front office's below room temperature (in Minny) IQ level trade ruined the offseason. We could have had fun trades all over the board but they had to go and trade like 8 million picks for freaking Gobert, who barely anyone else was even bidding on

As for NYK they need to stand firm, Brunson and Mitchell is undersized, you can't trade the farm for that perpetual 2nd round exit backcourt. Just say no.

Like the wolves give a s*it if someone like you wanted to have fun…or worse give someone like phoenix a chance at getting Durant.

It’s not even about fun… it’s the market being ruined but we are the NY Knicks, we attract players. Minnesota had to give up what they gave up to get a player of goberts level… they arent signing top tier free agents.

Who the hell have you attracted, or signed?

[rtiff68]

Like the wolves give a s*it if someone like you wanted to have fun…or worse give someone like phoenix a chance at getting Durant.

It’s not even about fun… it’s the market being ruined but we are the NY Knicks, we attract players. Minnesota had to give up what they gave up to get a player of goberts level… they arent signing top tier free agents.

Who the hell have you attracted, or signed?

You’re coming off a little angry in this thread, man. Have a Snickers.

[UcanUwill]

He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem, let Mitchell ruin your tank and just have yourself a disgruntled superstar. We have all the assets and therefore we, the Knicks, can dictate how this goes down.

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

how Knicks' fan thinks their assets look.



how Knicks assets really look.

Har har har.

If these assets weren't so valuable, why is Ainge so adamant about grabbing as many as he can?

Because they arent so valuable lol. If assets would be valuable, it wouldn't take so many of them to pull that trade. You know how trading works in the NBA, right? But of course, Knicks picks, if not protected, will always be a pretty good asset.