FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 | SPAIN are new WORLD CHAMPIONS

GotDaSauce · Post #981 » by **GotDaSauce** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 7:29 pm

Catchall wrote:You know, Kemba has been getting scored on a lot. He doesn't handle screens well and gives shooters plenty of space.

He's getting double and triple screened on some plays. Wth is he going to do if thats the case? Pop needs to setup a better defensive game plan if they want to win this cup.

beantownski · Post #982 » by **beantownski** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 7:31 pm

mitchell was so brutal in the 2nd half. i thought he was going to hand that win to turkey....he almost did.

Jadoogar · Post #983 » by **Jadoogar** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 7:34 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
draftnightsuit wrote:This is by far the worst overall Team USA roster since 2002 talent wise.

They’re going to have to win with strategy and teamwork because they won’t out-talent anybody with this team. There are some teams in the league that could beat this roster.

There are like 10-12 NBA teams that would beat this roster (most WC playoff teams, and a few EC playoff teams). Because superstars win in the NBA, and this current USA squad has no superstars. My definition of a superstar is not diluted quite enough to include Kemba on that list.

Greece lost to Brazil and they have the best player in the tournament (maybe the NBA)

jinxed · Post #984 » by **jinxed** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 7:43 pm

I wonder how many times the US has had a worse roster than this in the last 40 years. The 2002 team had more talent. The 98' team that had no NBA players due to the lockout for sure was worse. The 90' team was worse. But I think you could even make arguments that the US 88 and 84 Olympic teams were more talented.

Those Olympic team dominated NBA all Star squads in exhibition games.

Oscar9992 · Post #985 » by **Oscar9992** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 7:44 pm

Jadoogar wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
draftnightsuit wrote:This is by far the worst overall Team USA roster since 2002 talent wise.

They’re going to have to win with strategy and teamwork because they won’t out-talent anybody with this team. There are some teams in the league that could beat this roster.

There are like 10-12 NBA teams that would beat this roster (most WC playoff teams, and a few EC playoff teams). Because superstars win in the NBA, and this current USA squad has no superstars. My definition of a superstar is not diluted quite enough to include Kemba on that list.

Greece lost to Brazil and they have the best player in the tournament (maybe the NBA)

Giannis is not really the best player in this World Cup, he is much better in NBA... He got exposed already in this World Cup by 39 years old Brazilian veteran.

sunsbg · Post #986 » by **sunsbg** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 7:47 pm

peja_the_legend wrote:
gorz wrote:I want to say this team is flawed and weak in terms of firepower overall talent(which is true) but in all honesty the rest of the world is jsut catching up on in skill development and better coaching. The fear of team usa is no longer there due to the advent of social media/internet as well constant influx of international players being drafted into the nba. Alot of these foreign born nba players go back to their home country and play with the rest of the national team instill tremendous confidence in those players due to their nba experience amd thus inspires them and the next generation to reach that next level. The same awe/reverence of nba players that it once was when jordan magic bird were playing on the 92 dream is no longerthere instead these international players feel the current nba players are just contemporaries.

I mean this particular team USA certainly strikes no fear to anyone.But the Brazil Olympics and WC 2014 team which again weren't A teams by any mean but featured plenty of superstars, still destroyed Serbia in two consecutive finals.So i'm not really sure about whether the world is catching up.

Is Serbia the World though ? USA - 250mln, Serbia - 7mln population. It's obvious international players are more accustomed to FIBA play, put best Euro players on the same team vs NBA superstars under FIBA rules and we have a competitive game.

Also there was a thread how USA new generation is not looking that good.

Sgt Major · Post #987 » by **Sgt Major** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 7:50 pm

Jokic didn't play in 2014 and in 2016 he was still a kid, while Bjelica missed the games. I'm not saying Serbia would've won back then with today's Joker and Bjelly, but I think those games would be closer.

limbo · Post #988 » by **limbo** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 7:51 pm

Greece needs to give the ball to Giannis on the break and in the post. Try to play and maximize the strengths of your best player instead of letting Calathes slowly bring the ball up the court and run some BS half-court offense... How does that benefit Giannis, especially with a lack of shooting on the court.

schnakenpopanz · Post #989 » by **schnakenpopanz** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 7:57 pm

If Turkey is not beating Brazil in the next round, it will be over for the Greeks. But you'll never know

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limbo · Post #990 » by **limbo** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 8:01 pm

Also stop constantly stacking the court with these slowpoke Bigs. Go small and mobile, put Giannis at 5 or 4 and run.

Rockice_24 · Post #991 » by **Rockice_24** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 8:17 pm

Oscar9992 wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
There are like 10-12 NBA teams that would beat this roster (most WC playoff teams, and a few EC playoff teams). Because superstars win in the NBA, and this current USA squad has no superstars. My definition of a superstar is not diluted quite enough to include Kemba on that list.

Greece lost to Brazil and they have the best player in the tournament (maybe the NBA)

Giannis is not really the best player in this World Cup, he is much better in NBA... He got exposed already in this World Cup by 39 years old Brazilian veteran.

He reminds me our a taller version of Lowery. Lowery made a living in the regular season muscling smaller guards and throwing his body around for contact at the rim and when the playoff came around and refs started to swallow their whistles things got tough for him. It wasn't until he refined his outside shot that he finally had success later in his career in the post season.

In FIBA it's similar to the playoffs where things are called tighter and I can see why Giannis is struggling.

Sir Psycho Sexy · Post #992 » by **Sir Psycho Sexy** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 8:21 pm

Also the court is smaller plus Greece doesn't have many shooting options so defenses pack just get into the paint. From all decent teams in the world cup Greece is the worst fit for him really

Post #993 » by **G R E Y** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 8:37 pm

I'm trying to understand the overall impetus for certain aspects of FIBA WC like points accumulation and the inclusion of teams from around the world even though they are comparatively weak. I can see for the latter the point of inclusion so that the game grows, and the competition being relative to the region before going on to a bigger stage. It's imperfect for many reasons mentioned here, but has the potential to grow the game in the long run. What I don't get in a tournament like this is that in the first round some good teams happen to draw the much less competitive ones and then that exaggerated point differential (or total points scored versus weak competition) gets carried over to the next round, yes? What is its purpose? Does the point differential break a tie should two teams have the same record? Seems like a huge imbalance that needs addressing if so.

draftnightsuit · Post #994 » by **draftnightsuit** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 8:57 pm

Giannis is overrated in general. The Raptors already exposed him.

His entire game is based on barreling into the paint on a straight line and he gets away with traveling. He tries to force Eurosteps into congested lanes in the half court. If he’s not in transition or working with an open floor then he’s pretty much useless.

Pack the paint, put a big on him and sag off.

Woody Allen · Post #995 » by **Woody Allen** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 9:07 pm

Somebody needs to take Domantas Sabonis to a barber what the ****.

Jadoogar · Post #996 » by **Jadoogar** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 9:12 pm

Oscar9992 wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
There are like 10-12 NBA teams that would beat this roster (most WC playoff teams, and a few EC playoff teams). Because superstars win in the NBA, and this current USA squad has no superstars. My definition of a superstar is not diluted quite enough to include Kemba on that list.

Greece lost to Brazil and they have the best player in the tournament (maybe the NBA)

Giannis is not really the best player in this World Cup, he is much better in NBA... He got exposed already in this World Cup by 39 years old Brazilian veteran.

USA have NBA players at every position. Miles Plumlee would be a top 5 player on most teams.

pootbrah · Post #997 » by **pootbrah** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 9:25 pm

Damn looks like I'm gonna watch 2 replays today.

theFireBlanket · Post #998 » by **theFireBlanket** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 9:41 pm

schnakenpopanz wrote:If Turkey is not beating Brazil in the next round, it will be over for the Greeks. But you'll never know

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Kick his ass, Ersan. Bite his fekken head off. *That 40 year old.

Catchall · Post #999 » by **Catchall** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 9:54 pm

Looks like USA will play Brazil and Greece in the next grouping (Phase 2). Then in the Quarter Finals, they'd play either France or Australia, in all likelihood.

Pharmcat · Post #1000 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Sep 3, 2019 9:56 pm

damn Giannis got exposed by a grandpa, so embarrassing. The nba is so watered down compared to real international ball where most NBA stars would be considered average role players