In SVG We Trust wrote:nfmos wrote:Jordan, Dirk, Curry, the Spurs all won with teams that were built over time, organically, without a roster full of headline names at the beginning. Lebron never committed to that sort of build, he just wanted plug and play, and plug and play teams never become dynasties, because the teams never have the time to build that chemistry and familiarity and trust. No one though Klay and Draymond would be foundations of a dynasty, but they became that because along with Steph, they knew exactly where and what they would be doing on the court at all times. Same with Timmy, Parker and Manu.
People could say its about the era of player movement and its not his fault, and I get that. But look at the teams with sustained success in the recent eras, the Lakers, the Spurs, the Warriors. Those were teams that stayed together for the most part, and achieved titles when they did. Lebron, for very understandable personal goals and reasons, never committed in such a way. And that could have been the difference between 3 titles total, and multiple 3peats. But that still wasnt bad luck, that was his decision.
Do you think you're being honest with this? Duncan was immediately surrounded with talent around him by one of the most amazing front offices the basketball has seen.
Jordan was against drafting Pippen, lucky he got another HoF GM in Jerry Krause.
LeBron, in SEVEN YEARS in Cleveland, the best teammates the Cavs could get him were... MO WILLIAMS AND ANTAWN JAMISON.
So think again about what you wrote, and if you're being honest and not totally biased.
Yes, and then Lebron left. Are you just going to leave out everything after that?
And Jordan might have been against drafting Pippen, but Krause still did it. How many times has Lebron dictated front office decisions that havent helped the team in the long run?
And its not about being biased. The facts and achievements are what they are in the GOAT debate. The only ones that need hypothetical and excuses for their argument are the Lebron supporters.
Tell me which player in the last 30 years has had more say in the teams he plays for than Lebron?