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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#181 » by camby23 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:40 am

NZB2323 wrote:
camby23 wrote:Jordan stans:

- Pippen was overrated
- 90s Bulls was not a superteam

also Jordan stans:

- 96 Bulls would sweep 2016 Warriors, beat easly 16-18 Warriors and every great team from 10's


I don’t know if anyone can say that any team would beat the 2017 Warriors, and most people who say their team would sweep the 2016 Warriors are old men yelling at clouds.

The 96 Bulls team was stacked, but in 91 and 98 Jordan was the only Chicago Bull who made the all-star team. In 1990 and 1998 Pippen had a migraine and played terribly in the last game of the season. The 98 Bulls are the oldest team to ever win a title, and Rodman was an aging alcoholic who was having Vegas vacations and doing WWE who washed out of the league afterwards. For the last 2 minutes of the 1998 season Jordan scored, stole the ball, and scored again. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball. It’s also the only game in NBA Finals history where a player outscored his teammates. 1998 is one of the years in NBA history where it was the hardest to score, and Jordan had 45 points and his teammates had 42 points.

Pippen’s modern day comparison is Paul George. He is a solid #2 player that you can’t always count on. He lost in the first round in 99 playing with Hakeem and Barkley.


Because 95-98 NBA was extremely old and watered down league. Old Jazz, old Knicks, old Rockets, old Pacers.

98 Bulls were indeed old but 35 Malone, 35 Hornack and 34 Stockton weren't the youngest players in the league either.
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#182 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:47 am

NZB2323 wrote:
camby23 wrote:Jordan stans:

- Pippen was overrated
- 90s Bulls was not a superteam

also Jordan stans:

- 96 Bulls would sweep 2016 Warriors, beat easly 16-18 Warriors and every great team from 10's


I don’t know if anyone can say that any team would beat the 2017 Warriors, and most people who say their team would sweep the 2016 Warriors are old men yelling at clouds.

The 96 Bulls team was stacked, but in 91 and 98 Jordan was the only Chicago Bull who made the all-star team. In 1990 and 1998 Pippen had a migraine and played terribly in the last game of the season. The 98 Bulls are the oldest team to ever win a title, and Rodman was an aging alcoholic who was having Vegas vacations and doing WWE who washed out of the league afterwards. For the last 2 minutes of the 1998 season Jordan scored, stole the ball, and scored again. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball. It’s also the only game in NBA Finals history where a player outscored his teammates. 1998 is one of the years in NBA history where it was the hardest to score, and Jordan had 45 points and his teammates had 42 points.

Pippen’s modern day comparison is Paul George. He is a solid #2 player that you can’t always count on. He lost in the first round in 99 playing with Hakeem and Barkley.

Paul George is a much better offensive player than Pippen ever was.

Pippen was unable to score off the dribble. He couldn't do half the things that PG13 showed in the Utah series for instance. Yes, Pippen was a beast in transition (and on defense) but he was incredibly limited in the halfcourt.

He's arguably the single most overrated player in the history of the NBA imo. He was carried by MJ and to a lesser extent Phil Jackson.
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#183 » by camby23 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:00 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
camby23 wrote:Jordan stans:

- Pippen was overrated
- 90s Bulls was not a superteam

also Jordan stans:

- 96 Bulls would sweep 2016 Warriors, beat easly 16-18 Warriors and every great team from 10's


I don’t know if anyone can say that any team would beat the 2017 Warriors, and most people who say their team would sweep the 2016 Warriors are old men yelling at clouds.

The 96 Bulls team was stacked, but in 91 and 98 Jordan was the only Chicago Bull who made the all-star team. In 1990 and 1998 Pippen had a migraine and played terribly in the last game of the season. The 98 Bulls are the oldest team to ever win a title, and Rodman was an aging alcoholic who was having Vegas vacations and doing WWE who washed out of the league afterwards. For the last 2 minutes of the 1998 season Jordan scored, stole the ball, and scored again. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball. It’s also the only game in NBA Finals history where a player outscored his teammates. 1998 is one of the years in NBA history where it was the hardest to score, and Jordan had 45 points and his teammates had 42 points.

Pippen’s modern day comparison is Paul George. He is a solid #2 player that you can’t always count on. He lost in the first round in 99 playing with Hakeem and Barkley.

Paul George is a much better offensive player than Pippen ever was.

Pippen was unable to score off the dribble. He couldn't do half the things that PG13 showed in the Utah series for instance. Yes, Pippen was a beast in transition (and on defense) but he was incredibly limited in the halfcourt.

He's arguably the single most overrated player in the history of the NBA imo. He was carried by MJ and to a lesser extent Phil Jackson.


And he was still the best SF and Robin of the 90's. "Golden era of basketball".
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#184 » by NYK-Mentality85 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:02 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
camby23 wrote:Jordan stans:

- Pippen was overrated
- 90s Bulls was not a superteam

also Jordan stans:

- 96 Bulls would sweep 2016 Warriors, beat easly 16-18 Warriors and every great team from 10's


I don’t know if anyone can say that any team would beat the 2017 Warriors, and most people who say their team would sweep the 2016 Warriors are old men yelling at clouds.

The 96 Bulls team was stacked, but in 91 and 98 Jordan was the only Chicago Bull who made the all-star team. In 1990 and 1998 Pippen had a migraine and played terribly in the last game of the season. The 98 Bulls are the oldest team to ever win a title, and Rodman was an aging alcoholic who was having Vegas vacations and doing WWE who washed out of the league afterwards. For the last 2 minutes of the 1998 season Jordan scored, stole the ball, and scored again. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball. It’s also the only game in NBA Finals history where a player outscored his teammates. 1998 is one of the years in NBA history where it was the hardest to score, and Jordan had 45 points and his teammates had 42 points.

Pippen’s modern day comparison is Paul George. He is a solid #2 player that you can’t always count on. He lost in the first round in 99 playing with Hakeem and Barkley.

Paul George is a much better offensive player than Pippen ever was.

Pippen was unable to score off the dribble. He couldn't do half the things that PG13 showed in the Utah series for instance. Yes, Pippen was a beast in transition (and on defense) but he was incredibly limited in the halfcourt.

He's arguably the single most overrated player in the history of the NBA imo. He was carried by MJ and to a lesser extent Phil Jackson.


Carried by Jordan? Yeah right.

MJ23 first 3 years in the league = 3 losing below .500 seasons (3 1st round exits).

And then Chicago drafted Scottie Pippen during MJ's 4th year and Chicago NEVER lost again.

And in 1992-1993 the Bulls with Jordan won 57 games

But in 1993-1994 without Jordan Chicago still win 55 games and Pippen took my Knicks WITHOUT JORDAN 7 games and put up MVP #s without "MJ".



Pippen: 7 years without Jordan = 6 winning seasons / 1 losing season.

Jordan: 5 years without Pippen = 5 Losing seasons / 0 winning seasons.

Pippen could win without Jordan but Jordan could NEVER win without Pippen.

To consider MJ the greatest but Pippen the most overrated let's me know I shouldn't be talking basketball with you...
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#185 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:36 am

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Chanel Bomber wrote:
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I don’t know if anyone can say that any team would beat the 2017 Warriors, and most people who say their team would sweep the 2016 Warriors are old men yelling at clouds.

The 96 Bulls team was stacked, but in 91 and 98 Jordan was the only Chicago Bull who made the all-star team. In 1990 and 1998 Pippen had a migraine and played terribly in the last game of the season. The 98 Bulls are the oldest team to ever win a title, and Rodman was an aging alcoholic who was having Vegas vacations and doing WWE who washed out of the league afterwards. For the last 2 minutes of the 1998 season Jordan scored, stole the ball, and scored again. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball. It’s also the only game in NBA Finals history where a player outscored his teammates. 1998 is one of the years in NBA history where it was the hardest to score, and Jordan had 45 points and his teammates had 42 points.

Pippen’s modern day comparison is Paul George. He is a solid #2 player that you can’t always count on. He lost in the first round in 99 playing with Hakeem and Barkley.

Paul George is a much better offensive player than Pippen ever was.

Pippen was unable to score off the dribble. He couldn't do half the things that PG13 showed in the Utah series for instance. Yes, Pippen was a beast in transition (and on defense) but he was incredibly limited in the halfcourt.

He's arguably the single most overrated player in the history of the NBA imo. He was carried by MJ and to a lesser extent Phil Jackson.


Carried by Jordan? Yeah right.

MJ23 first 3 years in the league = 3 losing below .500 seasons (3 1st round exits).

And then Chicago drafted Scottie Pippen during MJ's 4th year and Chicago NEVER lost again.

And in 1992-1993 the Bulls with Jordan won 57 games

But in 1993-1994 without Jordan Chicago still win 55 games and Pippen took my Knicks WITHOUT JORDAN 7 games and put up MVP #s without "MJ".



Pippen: 7 years without Jordan = 6 winning seasons / 1 losing season.

Jordan: 5 years without Pippen = 5 Losing seasons / 0 winning seasons.

Pippen could win without Jordan but Jordan could NEVER win without Pippen.

To consider MJ the greatest but Pippen the most overrated let's me know I shouldn't be talking basketball with you...

When you say "your Knicks" you mean the team you only post about when they're good?

I don't expect Jordan or any young player to lead a team anywhere their first 3 years in the league. That's why I never agreed with the pre-LeBron Kyrie slander. Magic and Duncan did it but each had an all-time great player playing alongside him and an unusually great structure around him. The Bulls had yet to be built.

Every player needs help, even Jordan, LeBron, Bird or Magic. Pippen was part of the help. He might have been a generational defender yes, but he was a system player offensively.

Pippen could only dream of creating his own offense, taking and making jumpshots off the dribble, blowing past his man to get to the rim with his first step (Pippen's was slow af) and handle the way PG13 can. Pippen jumpshot was completely unreliable.

Pippen was great in his role. Generational defender, dominant rim attacker in transition, decent spot-up shooter and good passer of the ball. His role was simply limited in Chicago's halfcourt offense. Pippen could not create any offense in the halfcourt for the Bulls. His skill set was limited. He did not have the responsibilities of a star, because the Bulls could not rely on him offensively.
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#186 » by burek3 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:05 pm

The guy can't even write a book without a "Michael". Chuckled at the cover title "Unguarded with Michael" :D
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Post#187 » by NZB2323 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:03 pm

NYK-Mentality85 wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
I don’t know if anyone can say that any team would beat the 2017 Warriors, and most people who say their team would sweep the 2016 Warriors are old men yelling at clouds.

The 96 Bulls team was stacked, but in 91 and 98 Jordan was the only Chicago Bull who made the all-star team. In 1990 and 1998 Pippen had a migraine and played terribly in the last game of the season. The 98 Bulls are the oldest team to ever win a title, and Rodman was an aging alcoholic who was having Vegas vacations and doing WWE who washed out of the league afterwards. For the last 2 minutes of the 1998 season Jordan scored, stole the ball, and scored again. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball. It’s also the only game in NBA Finals history where a player outscored his teammates. 1998 is one of the years in NBA history where it was the hardest to score, and Jordan had 45 points and his teammates had 42 points.

Pippen’s modern day comparison is Paul George. He is a solid #2 player that you can’t always count on. He lost in the first round in 99 playing with Hakeem and Barkley.

Paul George is a much better offensive player than Pippen ever was.

Pippen was unable to score off the dribble. He couldn't do half the things that PG13 showed in the Utah series for instance. Yes, Pippen was a beast in transition (and on defense) but he was incredibly limited in the halfcourt.

He's arguably the single most overrated player in the history of the NBA imo. He was carried by MJ and to a lesser extent Phil Jackson.


Carried by Jordan? Yeah right.

MJ23 first 3 years in the league = 3 losing below .500 seasons (3 1st round exits).

And then Chicago drafted Scottie Pippen during MJ's 4th year and Chicago NEVER lost again.

And in 1992-1993 the Bulls with Jordan won 57 games

But in 1993-1994 without Jordan Chicago still win 55 games and Pippen took my Knicks WITHOUT JORDAN 7 games and put up MVP #s without "MJ".



Pippen: 7 years without Jordan = 6 winning seasons / 1 losing season.

Jordan: 5 years without Pippen = 5 Losing seasons / 0 winning seasons.

Pippen could win without Jordan but Jordan could NEVER win without Pippen.

To consider MJ the greatest but Pippen the most overrated let's me know I shouldn't be talking basketball with you...


Are 22, 9, and 6 really MVP numbers? Because that’s what Pippen averaged in 1994. People love to compare 93 and 94, but in 94 the Bulls added Kukoc, Kerr, and Longley to the team, and that depth helped them. The 1995 Chicago Bulls were 34-31 without Jordan and 13-4 with Jordan. In 1998 Pippen was injured and only played in 44 games, but the Bulls still won 62 games, and Pippen had a migraine again in game 6 against the Jazz when Pippen had 8 points and Jordan had 45.

That’s why I said Pippen’s comparison is Paul George. In 1994 Pippen came in 3rd in MVP voting and in 2019 Paul George came in 3rd in MVP voting, but you’re not winning a title with either one as your best player. Pippen did well pushing the Knicks to 7 without Jordan, and Paul George did well pushing the Suns to 6 without Kawhi. Paul George is a better scorer, Pippen is a better defensive player, and both players have had some really disappointing playoff games.
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#188 » by NZB2323 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:11 pm

camby23 wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
camby23 wrote:Jordan stans:

- Pippen was overrated
- 90s Bulls was not a superteam

also Jordan stans:

- 96 Bulls would sweep 2016 Warriors, beat easly 16-18 Warriors and every great team from 10's


I don’t know if anyone can say that any team would beat the 2017 Warriors, and most people who say their team would sweep the 2016 Warriors are old men yelling at clouds.

The 96 Bulls team was stacked, but in 91 and 98 Jordan was the only Chicago Bull who made the all-star team. In 1990 and 1998 Pippen had a migraine and played terribly in the last game of the season. The 98 Bulls are the oldest team to ever win a title, and Rodman was an aging alcoholic who was having Vegas vacations and doing WWE who washed out of the league afterwards. For the last 2 minutes of the 1998 season Jordan scored, stole the ball, and scored again. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball. It’s also the only game in NBA Finals history where a player outscored his teammates. 1998 is one of the years in NBA history where it was the hardest to score, and Jordan had 45 points and his teammates had 42 points.

Pippen’s modern day comparison is Paul George. He is a solid #2 player that you can’t always count on. He lost in the first round in 99 playing with Hakeem and Barkley.


Because 95-98 NBA was extremely old and watered down league. Old Jazz, old Knicks, old Rockets, old Pacers.

98 Bulls were indeed old but 35 Malone, 35 Hornack and 34 Stockton weren't the youngest players in the league either.


Are you saying there were no good young players in 1998? The 1996 NBA draft is a top 4 draft in NBA history. In 1998 you had a young Tim Duncan, Shaq, KG, Kidd, Iverson, Nash, Ray Allen, Chris Webber, Kobe, etc. The 96 Bulls swept a young Shaq and Penny and had no issue beating young teams or old teams.

That old Jazz team swept Shaq and Kobe and beat Tim Duncan and David Robinson in 5 games.
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Post#189 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:12 pm

NZB2323 wrote:
NYK-Mentality85 wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Paul George is a much better offensive player than Pippen ever was.

Pippen was unable to score off the dribble. He couldn't do half the things that PG13 showed in the Utah series for instance. Yes, Pippen was a beast in transition (and on defense) but he was incredibly limited in the halfcourt.

He's arguably the single most overrated player in the history of the NBA imo. He was carried by MJ and to a lesser extent Phil Jackson.


Carried by Jordan? Yeah right.

MJ23 first 3 years in the league = 3 losing below .500 seasons (3 1st round exits).

And then Chicago drafted Scottie Pippen during MJ's 4th year and Chicago NEVER lost again.

And in 1992-1993 the Bulls with Jordan won 57 games

But in 1993-1994 without Jordan Chicago still win 55 games and Pippen took my Knicks WITHOUT JORDAN 7 games and put up MVP #s without "MJ".



Pippen: 7 years without Jordan = 6 winning seasons / 1 losing season.

Jordan: 5 years without Pippen = 5 Losing seasons / 0 winning seasons.

Pippen could win without Jordan but Jordan could NEVER win without Pippen.

To consider MJ the greatest but Pippen the most overrated let's me know I shouldn't be talking basketball with you...


Are 22, 9, and 6 really MVP numbers? Because that’s what Pippen averaged in 1994. People love to compare 93 and 94, but in 94 the Bulls added Kukoc, Kerr, and Longley to the team, and that depth helped them. The 1995 Chicago Bulls were 34-31 without Jordan and 13-4 with Jordan. In 1998 Pippen was injured and only played in 44 games, but the Bulls still won 62 games, and Pippen had a migraine again in game 6 against the Jazz when Pippen had 8 points and Jordan had 45.

That’s why I said Pippen’s comparison is Paul George. In 1994 Pippen came in 3rd in MVP voting and in 2019 Paul George came in 3rd in MVP voting, but you’re not winning a title with either one as your best player. Pippen did well pushing the Knicks to 7 without Jordan, and Paul George did well pushing the Suns to 6 without Kawhi. Paul George is a better scorer, Pippen is a better defensive player, and both players have had some really disappointing playoff games.

In 1994, Pippen never carried Chicago's offense the way George just did (without Kawhi) in the 2021 playoffs. The Bulls were a good team because of the quality of their roster (including Pippen), their depth and Phil's coaching. But they weren't good because Pippen somehow led them there. Just rewatch the tape of the 1994 playoffs. Pippen could have never carried PG13's offensive burden, because he simply wasn't as skilled. Not even close.

About the MVP voting, let's not forget the 90s (my favorite era) had less top-end talent than this current era and the league was incredibly thin at SF. The way we remember Pippen is altered by the fact that there were very few elite SFs in the 90s outside of Grant Hill and - for a time - Latrell Sprewell.
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Post#190 » by Ambrose » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:27 pm

NZB2323 wrote:
NYK-Mentality85 wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Paul George is a much better offensive player than Pippen ever was.

Pippen was unable to score off the dribble. He couldn't do half the things that PG13 showed in the Utah series for instance. Yes, Pippen was a beast in transition (and on defense) but he was incredibly limited in the halfcourt.

He's arguably the single most overrated player in the history of the NBA imo. He was carried by MJ and to a lesser extent Phil Jackson.


Carried by Jordan? Yeah right.

MJ23 first 3 years in the league = 3 losing below .500 seasons (3 1st round exits).

And then Chicago drafted Scottie Pippen during MJ's 4th year and Chicago NEVER lost again.

And in 1992-1993 the Bulls with Jordan won 57 games

But in 1993-1994 without Jordan Chicago still win 55 games and Pippen took my Knicks WITHOUT JORDAN 7 games and put up MVP #s without "MJ".



Pippen: 7 years without Jordan = 6 winning seasons / 1 losing season.

Jordan: 5 years without Pippen = 5 Losing seasons / 0 winning seasons.

Pippen could win without Jordan but Jordan could NEVER win without Pippen.

To consider MJ the greatest but Pippen the most overrated let's me know I shouldn't be talking basketball with you...


Are 22, 9, and 6 really MVP numbers? Because that’s what Pippen averaged in 1994. People love to compare 93 and 94, but in 94 the Bulls added Kukoc, Kerr, and Longley to the team, and that depth helped them. The 1995 Chicago Bulls were 34-31 without Jordan and 13-4 with Jordan. In 1998 Pippen was injured and only played in 44 games, but the Bulls still won 62 games, and Pippen had a migraine again in game 6 against the Jazz when Pippen had 8 points and Jordan had 45.

That’s why I said Pippen’s comparison is Paul George. In 1994 Pippen came in 3rd in MVP voting and in 2019 Paul George came in 3rd in MVP voting, but you’re not winning a title with either one as your best player. Pippen did well pushing the Knicks to 7 without Jordan, and Paul George did well pushing the Suns to 6 without Kawhi. Paul George is a better scorer, Pippen is a better defensive player, and both players have had some really disappointing playoff games.


Today? No.

In 1994? Yeah.

The league is different. Only 16 guys averaged 20 ppg in 1994, this year there were 31.

In 1994 Pippen was 8th in PPG, 22nd in RPG (2nd among non-bigs), 19th in APG (1st among non-PG's), and 2nd in the NBA in SPG. and did this playing for the 3rd seed in the East. PG's big year was 2nd in PPG, 24th in RPG (3rd among non-bigs), 44th in APG (20th among non-PG's) and 1st in spg. They are pretty comparable but Pippen was 'the guy' on a better team.

Among NBA wings Pippen was 3rd in scoring, 2nd in rebounding, first in assists, 1st in steals, and 3rd in blocks while being the best man defender in the league on a really good team. He was certainly a worthy MVP candidate.
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Post#191 » by NZB2323 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:33 pm

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Carried by Jordan? Yeah right.

MJ23 first 3 years in the league = 3 losing below .500 seasons (3 1st round exits).

And then Chicago drafted Scottie Pippen during MJ's 4th year and Chicago NEVER lost again.

And in 1992-1993 the Bulls with Jordan won 57 games

But in 1993-1994 without Jordan Chicago still win 55 games and Pippen took my Knicks WITHOUT JORDAN 7 games and put up MVP #s without "MJ".



Pippen: 7 years without Jordan = 6 winning seasons / 1 losing season.

Jordan: 5 years without Pippen = 5 Losing seasons / 0 winning seasons.

Pippen could win without Jordan but Jordan could NEVER win without Pippen.

To consider MJ the greatest but Pippen the most overrated let's me know I shouldn't be talking basketball with you...


Are 22, 9, and 6 really MVP numbers? Because that’s what Pippen averaged in 1994. People love to compare 93 and 94, but in 94 the Bulls added Kukoc, Kerr, and Longley to the team, and that depth helped them. The 1995 Chicago Bulls were 34-31 without Jordan and 13-4 with Jordan. In 1998 Pippen was injured and only played in 44 games, but the Bulls still won 62 games, and Pippen had a migraine again in game 6 against the Jazz when Pippen had 8 points and Jordan had 45.

That’s why I said Pippen’s comparison is Paul George. In 1994 Pippen came in 3rd in MVP voting and in 2019 Paul George came in 3rd in MVP voting, but you’re not winning a title with either one as your best player. Pippen did well pushing the Knicks to 7 without Jordan, and Paul George did well pushing the Suns to 6 without Kawhi. Paul George is a better scorer, Pippen is a better defensive player, and both players have had some really disappointing playoff games.


Today? No.

In 1994? Yeah.

The league is different. Only 16 guys averaged 20 ppg in 1994, this year there were 31.

In 1994 Pippen was 8th in PPG, 22nd in RPG (2nd among non-bigs), 19th in APG (1st among non-PG's), and 2nd in the NBA in SPG. and did this playing for the 3rd seed in the East. PG's big year was 2nd in PPG, 24th in RPG (3rd among non-bigs), 44th in APG (20th among non-PG's) and 1st in spg. They are pretty comparable but Pippen was 'the guy' on a better team.

Among NBA wings Pippen was 3rd in scoring, 2nd in rebounding, first in assists, 1st in steals, and 3rd in blocks while being the best man defender in the league on a really good team. He was certainly a worthy MVP candidate.


You could say the same thing about Paul George in 2019 when I made the comparison and George averaged 28, 8, and 4.

However, I think we can both agree that neither one of those guys was a top 3 player that year. Shaq, Ewing, Barkley, and Malone were better than Pippen and Curry, Dame, Jokic, Embiid, Durant, Kawhi, and Lebron were better than Paul George, and we saw that play out in the playoffs. Paul George lost in the first round, and Pippen lost in the 2nd round. You say Pippen took your knicks to 7 without Jordan, but Pippen had a lot of help. Toni Kukoc hit the game-winning shot when Pippen refused to play, and Pippen may have averaged 22 a game for the series, but both BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant averaged 17 a game with much better efficiency. Horace Grant had a higher Game Score for the series than Pippen, 4 players on the Bulls had a better offensive rating for the series, and one player had a better defensive rating.

The reason why the 1994 Bulls were so good, and the reason why Pippen's 94 season is a little overrated, is because the 1994 Bulls had great depth. Their bench unit was Paxson, Kerr, Scott Williams, Kukoc, and Luc Longley. That's 3 starters and a 6th man of the year winner for championship teams. Pippen getting 3rd in MVP voting in 1994 was closer to Joakim Noah getting 4th in MVP voting in 2014 than it was to Curry getting 3rd in MVP voting this year.

There's a reason why the 1995 Bulls went 34-31 without Jordan and 13-4 with him. There's a reason why the Bulls won 6 championships with Jordan and none without him. There's a reason why the Bulls won 72 games with Jordan and 55 without him. There's a reason why the Bulls were 12-8 in playoff games when Scottie Pippen failed to score in the double digits.

And people can bring up Jordan not having playoff success when he was on a scrub team his first 3 years in the league or the success of a deep Bulls team in 1994, but people don't put those situations into context so it can fit their narrative.
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#192 » by camby23 » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:35 am

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I don’t know if anyone can say that any team would beat the 2017 Warriors, and most people who say their team would sweep the 2016 Warriors are old men yelling at clouds.

The 96 Bulls team was stacked, but in 91 and 98 Jordan was the only Chicago Bull who made the all-star team. In 1990 and 1998 Pippen had a migraine and played terribly in the last game of the season. The 98 Bulls are the oldest team to ever win a title, and Rodman was an aging alcoholic who was having Vegas vacations and doing WWE who washed out of the league afterwards. For the last 2 minutes of the 1998 season Jordan scored, stole the ball, and scored again. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball. It’s also the only game in NBA Finals history where a player outscored his teammates. 1998 is one of the years in NBA history where it was the hardest to score, and Jordan had 45 points and his teammates had 42 points.

Pippen’s modern day comparison is Paul George. He is a solid #2 player that you can’t always count on. He lost in the first round in 99 playing with Hakeem and Barkley.


Because 95-98 NBA was extremely old and watered down league. Old Jazz, old Knicks, old Rockets, old Pacers.

98 Bulls were indeed old but 35 Malone, 35 Hornack and 34 Stockton weren't the youngest players in the league either.


Are you saying there were no good young players in 1998? The 1996 NBA draft is a top 4 draft in NBA history. In 1998 you had a young Tim Duncan, Shaq, KG, Kidd, Iverson, Nash, Ray Allen, Chris Webber, Kobe, etc. The 96 Bulls swept a young Shaq and Penny and had no issue beating young teams or old teams.

That old Jazz team swept Shaq and Kobe and beat Tim Duncan and David Robinson in 5 games.


I'm talking about title contenders. All of the top teams were old. Kobe and KG were 20 yrs old and way before their primes. Dunacan was a rookie in 97/98. All the players you named entered their primes in early 00's.
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Post#193 » by NZB2323 » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:13 pm

camby23 wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
camby23 wrote:
Because 95-98 NBA was extremely old and watered down league. Old Jazz, old Knicks, old Rockets, old Pacers.

98 Bulls were indeed old but 35 Malone, 35 Hornack and 34 Stockton weren't the youngest players in the league either.


Are you saying there were no good young players in 1998? The 1996 NBA draft is a top 4 draft in NBA history. In 1998 you had a young Tim Duncan, Shaq, KG, Kidd, Iverson, Nash, Ray Allen, Chris Webber, Kobe, etc. The 96 Bulls swept a young Shaq and Penny and had no issue beating young teams or old teams.

That old Jazz team swept Shaq and Kobe and beat Tim Duncan and David Robinson in 5 games.


I'm talking about title contenders. All of the top teams were old. Kobe and KG were 20 yrs old and way before their primes. Dunacan was a rookie in 97/98. All the players you named entered their primes in early 00's.


The Spurs won 56 games in 98 and won the title the next year and the Lakers won 61 games in 98 and were 2 years away from their 3-peat.

Tim Duncan averaged 21 and 12 while shooting 55% and won the Finals MVP the next year and Shaq averaged 28 and 12 on 58%.

In this "old and watered down league" the Old Jazz swept the Lakers and beat the Spurs in 5.
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#194 » by camby23 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:25 pm

NZB2323 wrote:
camby23 wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
Are you saying there were no good young players in 1998? The 1996 NBA draft is a top 4 draft in NBA history. In 1998 you had a young Tim Duncan, Shaq, KG, Kidd, Iverson, Nash, Ray Allen, Chris Webber, Kobe, etc. The 96 Bulls swept a young Shaq and Penny and had no issue beating young teams or old teams.

That old Jazz team swept Shaq and Kobe and beat Tim Duncan and David Robinson in 5 games.


I'm talking about title contenders. All of the top teams were old. Kobe and KG were 20 yrs old and way before their primes. Dunacan was a rookie in 97/98. All the players you named entered their primes in early 00's.


The Spurs won 56 games in 98 and won the title the next year and the Lakers won 61 games in 98 and were 2 years away from their 3-peat.

Tim Duncan averaged 21 and 12 while shooting 55% and won the Finals MVP the next year and Shaq averaged 28 and 12 on 58%.

In this "old and watered down league" the Old Jazz swept the Lakers and beat the Spurs in 5.


Dude, Kobe was 20 yrs old. He averaged 21 mpg (10 ppg on 37%GF) against Jazz. Duncan was rookie, a great one but still rookie. These teams were far from ready to compete against Bulls. All of Bulls main rivals for the title were old.
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#195 » by pwrshft99 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:53 pm

camby23 wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
camby23 wrote:
I'm talking about title contenders. All of the top teams were old. Kobe and KG were 20 yrs old and way before their primes. Dunacan was a rookie in 97/98. All the players you named entered their primes in early 00's.


The Spurs won 56 games in 98 and won the title the next year and the Lakers won 61 games in 98 and were 2 years away from their 3-peat.

Tim Duncan averaged 21 and 12 while shooting 55% and won the Finals MVP the next year and Shaq averaged 28 and 12 on 58%.

In this "old and watered down league" the Old Jazz swept the Lakers and beat the Spurs in 5.


Dude, Kobe was 20 yrs old. He averaged 21 mpg (10 ppg on 37%GF) against Jazz. Duncan was rookie, a great one but still rookie. These teams were far from ready to compete against Bulls. All of Bulls main rivals for the title were old.


Karl Malone won MVP in 99...the 'old Jazz' argument doesn't hold water. The Bulls beat whoever was in their way
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#196 » by NZB2323 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:57 pm

camby23 wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
camby23 wrote:
I'm talking about title contenders. All of the top teams were old. Kobe and KG were 20 yrs old and way before their primes. Dunacan was a rookie in 97/98. All the players you named entered their primes in early 00's.


The Spurs won 56 games in 98 and won the title the next year and the Lakers won 61 games in 98 and were 2 years away from their 3-peat.

Tim Duncan averaged 21 and 12 while shooting 55% and won the Finals MVP the next year and Shaq averaged 28 and 12 on 58%.

In this "old and watered down league" the Old Jazz swept the Lakers and beat the Spurs in 5.


Dude, Kobe was 20 yrs old. He averaged 21 mpg (10 ppg on 37%GF) against Jazz. Duncan was rookie, a great one but still rookie. These teams were far from ready to compete against Bulls. All of Bulls main rivals for the title were old.


Dude, Shaq was 25 and both him and Tim Duncan made the all-nba first team. I don’t know how you can say the Spurs were far from ready to complete when they won the title the next year. Even the Lakers weren’t far from ready as they were 2 years away from their 3-peat.

It’s true that when the Bulls won the title in 1998 not every player in the NBA was 27. Some were older, some were younger, but the 1998 Bulls are the oldest team to ever win a title, which is super impressive because they also 3-peated while winning 72, 67, and 62 regular season games, Pippen only played in 44 games in 98, and he had a migraine which significantly limited him in game 6, which is the only game in NBA finals history where a player(Jordan) outscored all of his teammates. In the last 2 minutes of the 98 Finals Jordan scored, stole the ball, and scored again. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball.

On top of all of that, Rodman was an aging alcoholic who was taking Vegas vacations during the season and skipping practice during the finals to do WWE in Vegas, and he washed out the of the league the next year.
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#197 » by NZB2323 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:11 pm

pwrshft99 wrote:
camby23 wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
The Spurs won 56 games in 98 and won the title the next year and the Lakers won 61 games in 98 and were 2 years away from their 3-peat.

Tim Duncan averaged 21 and 12 while shooting 55% and won the Finals MVP the next year and Shaq averaged 28 and 12 on 58%.

In this "old and watered down league" the Old Jazz swept the Lakers and beat the Spurs in 5.


Dude, Kobe was 20 yrs old. He averaged 21 mpg (10 ppg on 37%GF) against Jazz. Duncan was rookie, a great one but still rookie. These teams were far from ready to compete against Bulls. All of Bulls main rivals for the title were old.


Karl Malone won MVP in 99...the 'old Jazz' argument doesn't hold water. The Bulls beat whoever was in their way


Yes. Also that old Pacers team made the Finals in 2000.
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Re: Pippen Writing Memoir, Tells His Side of Story 

Post#198 » by D.Brasco » Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:15 pm

Eyeamok wrote:Shoot I can barely remember what I had for dinner 2 nights ago and now Scottie is going to write a book about "his" POV of the Bulls in the 1990's !


Well I'm sure his experiences on the Dynasty Chicago Bulls probably were just a little more memorable than your mid week dinner.

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