Peak Only: Jordan/Giannis or Bird/Wilt

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Re: Peak Only: Jordan/Giannis or Bird/Wilt 

Post#21 » by 70sFan » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:19 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:Though I have concerns about Wilt playing next to a guy who should have more primacy on offense.

Why?
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Re: Peak Only: Jordan/Giannis or Bird/Wilt 

Post#22 » by Cavsfansince84 » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:53 pm

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Cavsfansince84 wrote:Though I have concerns about Wilt playing next to a guy who should have more primacy on offense.

Why?


Well, because even if we use 67 Wilt as our version he was still probably the primary anchor of it and I just don't know how Wilt would react ego wise if Bird is that guy on the team. Maybe it wouldn't be an issue but I think there is a reason for concern given how Wilt's personality was. Sure we could point to 1970's Wilt to say it wouldn't be but that isn't 67 Wilt when he was still at his physical peak.
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Re: Peak Only: Jordan/Giannis or Bird/Wilt 

Post#23 » by 70sFan » Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:06 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
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Cavsfansince84 wrote:Though I have concerns about Wilt playing next to a guy who should have more primacy on offense.

Why?


Well, because even if we use 67 Wilt as our version he was still probably the primary anchor of it and I just don't know how Wilt would react ego wise if Bird is that guy on the team. Maybe it wouldn't be an issue but I think there is a reason for concern given how Wilt's personality was. Sure we could point to 1970's Wilt to say it wouldn't be but that isn't 67 Wilt when he was still at his physical peak.

I think Bird has so free flowing style that it wouldn't really take away Wilt's attempts inside and Wilt proved that he could scale down his role multiple times. 1967 is the most memorable one, but he also did that in 1964 (first year with Hannum), 1966 (first full year in Philly) and then in 1969 (before the injury).
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Re: Peak Only: Jordan/Giannis or Bird/Wilt 

Post#24 » by Samurai » Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:06 am

Cavsfansince84 wrote:This comparison makes more sense to me if we are putting Bird/Wilt in the 70's or 80's and MJ/Giannis in the 10's or 20's.

Isn't that what this thread is about? The OP didn't specify a particular era despite being asked. Since there is no era in which all 4 played, I am assuming it is based on their peak relative to their own era otherwise it doesn't make sense to me. Just assuming it is based on time-machining everyone to 1967, when only one of the 4 played, makes as little sense as time-machining everyone to 2023 since again only one of the 4 played. Relative to their own era is the only way this comparison makes sense to me.
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Re: Peak Only: Jordan/Giannis or Bird/Wilt 

Post#25 » by Cavsfansince84 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:51 am

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Cavsfansince84 wrote:This comparison makes more sense to me if we are putting Bird/Wilt in the 70's or 80's and MJ/Giannis in the 10's or 20's.

Isn't that what this thread is about? The OP didn't specify a particular era despite being asked. Since there is no era in which all 4 played, I am assuming it is based on their peak relative to their own era otherwise it doesn't make sense to me. Just assuming it is based on time-machining everyone to 1967, when only one of the 4 played, makes as little sense as time-machining everyone to 2023 since again only one of the 4 played. Relative to their own era is the only way this comparison makes sense to me.


It's hard to say imo since most of these sort of threads are people trying to plug them into today's nba I would say. It would be much better if people who make these kinds of thread would specify exactly what the scenarios are meant to be for each duo they want us to give an opinion on.
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Re: Peak Only: Jordan/Giannis or Bird/Wilt 

Post#26 » by MacGill » Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:19 pm

Bird/Wilt - I am known for not being as high as many on Mr. Chamberlain. The fit is just better with Bird/Chamberlain and I would trust building a team around this core with both players being able to amend or adjust their games as needed. Wilt demonstrated this ability when asked to and Bird's game meshes incredible well, regardless, of his perceived lesser athlethism. Hello Luca!!!

I've always preferred preferred Wilt's D and rebounding and he would be elite here! He'd be long and agile and a problem for anyone looking to score. And well, we've already seen what Bird has done against some of the top 15 already in the history of the game.

If Giannis had a much stronger back to the basket game I'd be more inclined with the pairing but you know what you get playing along side MJ. You'd either have to be Shaq or you're a Pippen. There is no inbetween with him. I luv the defence but not the offence.
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Re: Peak Only: Jordan/Giannis or Bird/Wilt 

Post#27 » by Samurai » Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:41 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
Samurai wrote:
Cavsfansince84 wrote:This comparison makes more sense to me if we are putting Bird/Wilt in the 70's or 80's and MJ/Giannis in the 10's or 20's.

Isn't that what this thread is about? The OP didn't specify a particular era despite being asked. Since there is no era in which all 4 played, I am assuming it is based on their peak relative to their own era otherwise it doesn't make sense to me. Just assuming it is based on time-machining everyone to 1967, when only one of the 4 played, makes as little sense as time-machining everyone to 2023 since again only one of the 4 played. Relative to their own era is the only way this comparison makes sense to me.


It's hard to say imo since most of these sort of threads are people trying to plug them into today's nba I would say. It would be much better if people who make these kinds of thread would specify exactly what the scenarios are meant to be for each duo they want us to give an opinion on.

Speaking for myself, I do not make such assumptions since it would be as pointless as plugging today's stars into the 1960's. If the OP does not stipulate a particular era, I vote (as I did here) based on each player relative to their own era. That's the only way these comparisons make sense to me. I do not make assumptions based on time machines since I don't believe they exist just as I don't make assumptions that comic book or other fictional characters are being compared.
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Re: Peak Only: Jordan/Giannis or Bird/Wilt 

Post#28 » by Cavsfansince84 » Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:51 pm

Samurai wrote:Speaking for myself, I do not make such assumptions since it would be as pointless as plugging today's stars into the 1960's. If the OP does not stipulate a particular era, I vote (as I did here) based on each player relative to their own era. That's the only way these comparisons make sense to me. I do not make assumptions based on time machines since I don't believe they exist just as I don't make assumptions that comic book or other fictional characters are being compared.


I wasn't making assumptions either. I specifically said that to me what makes the most sense was putting them in different eras and answered in that way in the absence of the op giving us the exact situation we were meant to judge this question by.

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