Yeah, that's the only time in 5 years I have ever talked about Lopez defense...
You also apparently don't think it matters how good the defenses these crude lineup splits apply to are, that Brook has failed to replicate this one-off signal, that Brook ventures out less than Embid, and Brooks isn't even clearly advantaged over "dpoy" defenders as a rim protector.
But Lopez has the advantage over other candidates as a rim protector this year. Defense dashboard inside 6 feet:
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense-dash-lt6?dir=D&sort=FGA_LT_06I don't have the access for basketball index data, but I remember seeing data showing that Lopez has overall the best combination of FG% differential and FGA differential at the rim as well (with Gobert being the best at limiting attempts and Draymond being the best at reducing efficiency, but Lopez looks the best all around).
You see, just because I don't have the time to make huge articles about Lopez defense here doesn't mean that I base everything on lineup splits. I also don't push controversial argument to its limits like you do every time when Lopez defense comes to play. If you think Lopez isn't DPOY worthy, make the case because most people agree he's in conversation.
Plenty of posters have pointed out the Bucks scheme protecting Brooks but you ignored all of them in favor of a cherrypicked 3-year sample(or in this case 1 or 2 years since now 2022 doesn't count).
Yeah, but we're not talking about 2020 here. We're talking about 2023 DPOY. It would be nice to show me that Lopez is protected by Bucks scheme this year, instead of leveraging Ben Taylor's video from 3 years ago...
Also, it's you who cherrypick 2 years sample for Giannis, even though he played in all of the other seasons and your only argument is that "he coasts now". You shouldn't talk about cherrypicking in the first place.
Funny thing is I can just assume Brook didn't play at all in 2022
What assumption? Lopez played 13 games in last RS and he came after an injury.
and give him all the credit for them being better in 2023. That still would not get Brook close to guys you swear aren't DPOY-level defenders, never mind actual DPOY's.
How?
"Crude WOWY" has an advantage over small lineup samples here because we can see the teams function with some time to prepare/adapt for absences, but hey let's "expand our evaluation":
Yes, WOWY is a good piece of information, but they shouldn't be your only argument with how noisy they are.
By the way, the Bucks had 112.2 DRtg last year without Lopez on the floor. Now they have 108.9. Considering that the league became much more efficient this year (almost 3 points swing in ORtg), that's a very strong signal on a very good team with other elite defenders (around 6 points difference). It's not GOAT-level impact, but nobody argues Lopez is on that level.
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Which takes us back to him not being the best defender on his own team, reflected in a massive team-level defensive drop-off in the years where he has anything resembling a case as the anchor
Giannis and -6 with Giannis and no Lopez. "Did you forget about it or do it on purpose"?
Notice how I
haven't pushed for Giannis as 2023 DPOY? I did not "cherrypick" anything, I acknowledged Giannis coasting and pointed out the dramatic regular drop-off that emerged as a result.
But why do you decide that Giannis is still a better defender than Lopez this season if he coasts? This makes no sense.
You ignored said drop-off and are now projecting your "cherrypicking" onto me. I also used the same type of "crude-lineup split" to note that the Bucks were a much better defense than they are now without Lopez. Expand your evaluation first.
As I said, I am not interested in 2020 discussion. It has nothing to do with Lopez DPOY candidacy this year. You try to convince me to peak Giannis being a better defender than Lopez and you're wasting your time because you don't need to.
Focus on this season, I don't care about signals from 3-4 years ago.
Sure he does. "DPOY-worthy is a comparative claim. And you are on the record swearing peak Lebron was not a dpoy-worthy defender,
Yeah, because competition matters. LeBron played in the league with peak Dwight, Boston Garnett, Duncan, Gasol and then Draymond and peak Gobert. The competition right now isn't on the same level.
let 30+ Lebron stacks up just fine to Brook defensively whether you use raw or adjusted metrics on similar defenses which scale up massively in the postseason.
Yeah, let's compare raw numbers of two completely different players with completely different roles playing completely different amount of minutes from 15 years apart and conclude it's a great counterargument.
Again, focus on this season.
Maybe "expand" your evaluation beyond whose taller? Which part of your oh-so-complete analysis led you to the conclusion that Brooks is better than 30+ non-Dpoy Lebron, let alone the likes of AD, Draymond, Gobert, and Jackson?
It seems that you can't argue in a good faith recently...
Present the case for Gobert, AD, Draymond and Jackson instead. As I said, Lopez is a recognisable DPOY candidate. If you want to show he's not worthy, present the case. Just please, focus on this year instead of using samples from 2019...
Note that I never said Lopez is the best out of these names. I simply stated that he's a good candidate and that's it. It's you who want to prove that Lopez isn't really good defensively (on many threads up to this point). If we all miss so much, then present evidences. It shouldn't be hard and I will appreciate new portion of information.
