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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2861 » by Doctor MJ » Tue Jun 8, 2021 9:41 pm

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parsnips33 wrote:he's just a selfish, self-righteous, uncompetitive crybaby who hops from superteam to superteam and can't win anything unless he's carried by All-NBA guard play

These are all facts. Maybe Durant should stop consistently taking the easiest and least competitive road imaginable and then having a meltdown when people don't start respecting him for it. :dontknow:


I feel just like you do...but if Brooklyn dominates the playoffs and Durant takes the Finals MVP I think he's finally going to get the universal acclaim he's been seeking so desperately, and then that will likely be the story going forward.

You've been around the block so I know you've got your own experience, but this feels like my journey with Kobe btw. The story is over now, and that story is of a modern hero whose shadow is better than the game he played and very few people want to hear me talking about the things he should've done better. :lol:
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2862 » by parsnips33 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 9:42 pm

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parsnips33 wrote:he's just a selfish, self-righteous, uncompetitive crybaby who hops from superteam to superteam and can't win anything unless he's carried by All-NBA guard play

These are all facts. Maybe Durant should stop consistently taking the easiest and least competitive road imaginable and then having a meltdown when people don't start respecting him for it. :dontknow:


He's also one of the most gifted scorers the sport has ever known, a freak talent who combines size, skill, and athleticism in a way only a handful of athletes, let alone basketball players, have ever done. Just some more facts 8-)
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Post#2863 » by Clyde Frazier » Tue Jun 8, 2021 9:54 pm

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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2864 » by MartinToVaught » Tue Jun 8, 2021 10:05 pm

parsnips33 wrote:
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parsnips33 wrote:he's just a selfish, self-righteous, uncompetitive crybaby who hops from superteam to superteam and can't win anything unless he's carried by All-NBA guard play

These are all facts. Maybe Durant should stop consistently taking the easiest and least competitive road imaginable and then having a meltdown when people don't start respecting him for it. :dontknow:


He's also one of the most gifted scorers the sport has ever known, a freak talent who combines size, skill, and athleticism in a way only a handful of athletes, let alone basketball players, have ever done. Just some more facts 8-)

This all just makes it even sadder that he has so little confidence in his own abilities, he feels like he has to stack the deck to such an obscene level.

If Durant had any competitive pride whatsoever, he might have been a GOAT candidate. Instead, he'll be remembered as Curry's sidekick and the guy who joined the 73-win team that he had just choked against.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2865 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Jun 8, 2021 10:07 pm

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I don't know why you're feeling that strong about this topic. We're not saying Giannis is trash or anything. We're comparing Giannis to Giannis in here. If there's a certain drop in offensive production and impact, it's natural to voice concerns about the situation.
I mentioned David Robinson because he had a very similar trajectory in his peak seasons.
If a player is goat level regular season force but not quite the postseason force, there's probably some things to talk about.


I agree he's an MVP level player and should have very high standards and he absolutely deserves some criticism. I've been critical of him too. But read some of the specific posts and tell me they are actual legitimate critiques and not just lazy hot takes based on a twitter narrative groupthink. You can't. And that's where my problem lies.

And we did the same thing a week ago with Kawhi where it was all this psychoanalysis bulls **** with people reading all kinds of things into him because he's quiet or he left one team for another or whatever. Meanwhile on the court he's just straight wrecking the Mavericks.

We do this all the time and more people need to stop and make sure we should be. Maybe we should be with Giannis. 70's certainly thinks he's primarily to blame because of his halfcourt scoring failings. And I'm not saying he's wrong. But I am saying let's make sure its the full story before we run with as we have here.

Carry on. Didn't mean to derail this thread on my soapbox. :oops:

Edit: and now look at the KD conversation going on after this..... This is what is so incredibly frustrating to me. /rant for good this time.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2866 » by Doctor MJ » Tue Jun 8, 2021 11:11 pm

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Odinn21 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:...

I don't know why you're feeling that strong about this topic. We're not saying Giannis is trash or anything. We're comparing Giannis to Giannis in here. If there's a certain drop in offensive production and impact, it's natural to voice concerns about the situation.
I mentioned David Robinson because he had a very similar trajectory in his peak seasons.
If a player is goat level regular season force but not quite the postseason force, there's probably some things to talk about.


I agree he's an MVP level player and should have very high standards and he absolutely deserves some criticism. I've been critical of him too. But read some of the specific posts and tell me they are actual legitimate critiques and not just lazy hot takes based on a twitter narrative groupthink. You can't. And that's where my problem lies.

And we did the same thing a week ago with Kawhi where it was all this psychoanalysis bulls **** with people reading all kinds of things into him because he's quiet or he left one team for another or whatever. Meanwhile on the court he's just straight wrecking the Mavericks.

We do this all the time and more people need to stop and make sure we should be. Maybe we should be with Giannis. 70's certainly thinks he's primarily to blame because of his halfcourt scoring failings. And I'm not saying he's wrong. But I am saying let's make sure its the full story before we run with as we have here.

Carry on. Didn't mean to derail this thread on my soapbox. :oops:

Edit: and now look at the KD conversation going on after this..... This is what is so incredibly frustrating to me. /rant for good this time.


I think your sense of danger with all this is well-placed, and I'll admit to not setting the best example.

I'll tell you what I think is really key for me:

Keep reflecting after the fact and try to recognize and call the BS on your past "prisoner of the moment" self.

Try to avoid falling too deep into hot takes when the "oven" is on to be sure, but as fans, the emotions are part of the experience and those emotions are going to lead you astray at times.

Of course, as I say all of this, where I'm at my worst is when people still talk with the same sense of definitive rightness long after the fact after rebuttals have been well-established. In other words, those who have their opinions solidified with the emotional moment of the hot take ("annealed" to draw analogy to metallurgy) are the ones who trigger my emotions most problematically.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2867 » by parsnips33 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 11:13 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Odinn21 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:...

I don't know why you're feeling that strong about this topic. We're not saying Giannis is trash or anything. We're comparing Giannis to Giannis in here. If there's a certain drop in offensive production and impact, it's natural to voice concerns about the situation.
I mentioned David Robinson because he had a very similar trajectory in his peak seasons.
If a player is goat level regular season force but not quite the postseason force, there's probably some things to talk about.


I agree he's an MVP level player and should have very high standards and he absolutely deserves some criticism. I've been critical of him too. But read some of the specific posts and tell me they are actual legitimate critiques and not just lazy hot takes based on a twitter narrative groupthink. You can't. And that's where my problem lies.

And we did the same thing a week ago with Kawhi where it was all this psychoanalysis bulls **** with people reading all kinds of things into him because he's quiet or he left one team for another or whatever. Meanwhile on the court he's just straight wrecking the Mavericks.

We do this all the time and more people need to stop and make sure we should be. Maybe we should be with Giannis. 70's certainly thinks he's primarily to blame because of his halfcourt scoring failings. And I'm not saying he's wrong. But I am saying let's make sure its the full story before we run with as we have here.

Carry on. Didn't mean to derail this thread on my soapbox. :oops:

Edit: and now look at the KD conversation going on after this..... This is what is so incredibly frustrating to me. /rant for good this time.


Amen

Basketball is plenty interesting as it is, all the soap opera stuff on top is frivolous at best and destructive at worst
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2868 » by mikejames23 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 11:57 pm

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Congrats to Jokic as well. A very, very fine regular season. Denver fans must be ecstatic.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2869 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Jun 9, 2021 12:07 am

Derrick Rose finished 10th in MVP due to one insane vote :lol:
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2870 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Jun 9, 2021 12:57 am

This Sixers/Hawks series has been classic Doc Rivers so far. He choked away Game 1 with weird rotations (the all-bench lineup) and a nonsensical defensive assignment (Danny Green on Trae). Now in Game 2, he's already almost blown a big lead.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2871 » by Peregrine01 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:40 am

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I dislike how KD, Kyrie & Harden treated their former teams, teammates, and journalists and would prefer a world where they get humbled for their behavior.

That world is definitely not the NBA! :lol:


Oh but it is unfortunately. Super-talented people oftentimes get super-selfish and super-convinced of their own righteousness, and sometimes they make enough money that they never have to pay the cost of treating everyone else like s**t.


Perhaps the price to pay is their own well-being. This recent run notwithstanding, neither of the 3 have been particularly happy in any of the situations that they had been in before, situations that they were primarily responsible for putting themselves in.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2872 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:43 am

Every bogus flop call that Embiid gets makes me happier he didn't win MVP.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2873 » by GSP » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:48 am

MartinToVaught wrote:Every bogus flop call that Embiid gets makes me happier he didn't win MVP.


Him and Trae are in their own tier for the absurd calls they get right now
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2874 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:56 am

Doc pushed the right 4th quarter button with Shake. What an absolute scoring explosion after Atlanta had just been absolutely crushing all the non-Embiid minutes. Might have saved the series with that decision.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2875 » by mikejames23 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 1:57 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Doc pushed the right 4th quarter button with Shake. What an absolute scoring explosion after Atlanta had just been absolutely crushing all the non-Embiid minutes. Might have saved the series with that decision.


Yeah damn. It's interesting because the Hawks were playing the Sixers starters dead even until then.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2876 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:02 am

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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2877 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:05 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Doc pushed the right 4th quarter button with Shake.

Now he's pushing the wrong button by bringing Embiid back in unnecessarily.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2878 » by bondom34 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:14 am

Putting this here as an FYI as I haven't posted much the last while, have been busy but following the NBA too, if anyone wants a bit more of an Xs and Os postgame Mo Dakhil has been doing them on twitch. Its free, or you can pay a couple bucks to subscribe just for the quality. He takes questions from the chat as well, and said he wants to do them in the offseason.

https://www.twitch.tv/modakhil_nba

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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2879 » by SeniorWalker » Wed Jun 9, 2021 2:25 am

MartinToVaught wrote:Every bogus flop call that Embiid gets makes me happier he didn't win MVP.

I tend to get more upset at guys who use flopping as one of their primary mechanisms to generate offense. For this reason, I don't particularly care for Trae Young's game. The dude was flopping like a pancake all over the damn place in the Knicks series, couldn't stand it even though the Knicks were clearly outclassed. There's selling contact and then there's hunting contact, he did the latter.

No doubt embiid is a flopper tho. He's good at selling it but I think he actually tries to score without hunting for fouls the majority of the time so I can excuse him.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2880 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Jun 9, 2021 3:03 am

Really happy to see Boogie Cousins get to play and contribute in the playoffs after everything he's been through.

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