Pre-Top 100 Project Lists (post your ATL)

[Jaivl]

How come you count Hakeem as 1-way but Duncan and Garnett as 2 way?

Where did I do that? :/

[ardee]

How come you count Hakeem as 1-way but Duncan and Garnett as 2 way?

Where did I do that? :/

In your GOAT list you have Garnett labelled as a 2 way GOAT and Hakeem with the 1 way GOAT bigs

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[Jaivl]

Where did I do that? :/

In your GOAT list you have Garnett labelled as a 2 way GOAT and Hakeem with the 1 way GOAT bigs

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No lol

1-way GOAT bigs (I don't think highly of Kareem's defense overall)
+ Hakeem (elite 2-way)

[ardee]

Where did I do that? :/

In your GOAT list you have Garnett labelled as a 2 way GOAT and Hakeem with the 1 way GOAT bigs

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No lol

1-way GOAT bigs (I don't think highly of Kareem's defense overall)
+ Hakeem (elite 2-way)

I'm dumb

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[MyUniBroDavis]

Not voting but I'll go to 20. Made it quickly so would Change a bit if I put more thought


1. Jordan
2. Duncan
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Magic
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Kobe
11. Bird
12. Oscar
13. Garnett
14. Erving
15. Malone
16 Logo
16.5 Moses (I'm on my phone)
17 dirk
18 Admiral
19. Charles Barkley
20. Nash

[trex_8063]

Not voting but I'll go to 20. Made it quickly so would Change a bit if I put more thought


1. Jordan
2. Duncan
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Magic
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Kobe
11. Bird
12. Oscar
13. Garnett
14. Erving
15. Malone
16 Logo
17 dirk
18 Admiral
19. Charles Barkley
20. Nash

Need you to specify which Malone you're talking about there.

[wojoaderge]

Not voting but I'll go to 20. Made it quickly so would Change a bit if I put more thought


1. Jordan
2. Duncan
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Magic
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Kobe
11. Bird
12. Oscar
13. Garnett
14. Erving
15. Malone
16 Logo
17 dirk
18 Admiral
19. Charles Barkley
20. Nash

Which Malone? I have the champion Malone 11 spots ahead of the runner-up Malone

[MyUniBroDavis]

Not voting but I'll go to 20. Made it quickly so would Change a bit if I put more thought


1. Jordan
2. Duncan
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Magic
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Kobe
11. Bird
12. Oscar
13. Garnett
14. Erving
15. Malone
16 Logo
17 dirk
18 Admiral
19. Charles Barkley
20. Nash

Need you to specify which Malone you're talking about there.

Karl at 15, put Moses at 18 and shift up cuz I forgot lol.

[Goudelock]

....

Since I"m guessing that it would be good if I posted my version of my ATL, here's my rough list of the top 15 (I put a bit more weight into peak performance than someone like Texas Chuck). And no, I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it like many have. The reason I'm participating is so I can learn about individual players, with the ranking being secondary. And since I haven't seen as much of these players as I want to, once I watch more footage and learn more, this list will change. Anyways, here it is:

1: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2: Bill Russell
3: LeBron James
4: Shaquille O'neal
5: Wilt Chamberlain
6: Tim Duncan
7: Michael Jordan
8: Magic Johnson
9: Larry Bird
10: Hakeem Olajuwon
11: Jerry West
12: Julius Erving
13: Moses Malone
14: Kobe Bryant
15: Dirk Nowitzki

I have no idea where to put Mikan.

[wojoaderge]

I have no idea where to put Mikan.

I feel he should be no less than 14th

[trex_8063]

Not voting but I'll go to 20. Made it quickly so would Change a bit if I put more thought


1. Jordan
2. Duncan
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Magic
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Kobe
11. Bird
12. Oscar
13. Garnett
14. Erving
15. Malone
16 Logo
17 dirk
18 Admiral
19. Charles Barkley
20. Nash

Need you to specify which Malone you're talking about there.

Karl at 15, put Moses at 18 and shift up cuz I forgot lol.

Moses at 18 and shift DRob, Barkley and Nash back one place? If so, please edit your original post.

[Ambrose]

Did you ever think I didn't see it? I'm not insulting anyone so relax.

if someone accused you of bias, you wouldn't feel insulted?

I always admit to my own biases.

It's cool guys. Like I said earlier, it's a very rough draft. I'm looking forward to the debates that will ensue about both of those players anyway.

[Winsome Gerbil]

Not voting but I'll go to 20. Made it quickly so would Change a bit if I put more thought


1. Jordan
2. Duncan
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Magic
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Kobe
11. Bird
12. Oscar
13. Garnett
14. Erving
15. Malone
16 Logo
17 dirk
18 Admiral
19. Charles Barkley
20. Nash

Which Malone? I have the champion Malone 11 spots ahead of the runner-up Malone

you have Moses 11 spots about the 2nd leading scorer of all time?

[wojoaderge]

Not voting but I'll go to 20. Made it quickly so would Change a bit if I put more thought


1. Jordan
2. Duncan
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Magic
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Kobe
11. Bird
12. Oscar
13. Garnett
14. Erving
15. Malone
16 Logo
17 dirk
18 Admiral
19. Charles Barkley
20. Nash

Which Malone? I have the champion Malone 11 spots ahead of the runner-up Malone

you have Moses 11 spots about the 2nd leading scorer of all time?

Actually 10, I moved him up a spot

[Winsome Gerbil]

Which Malone? I have the champion Malone 11 spots ahead of the runner-up Malone

you have Moses 11 spots about the 2nd leading scorer of all time?

Actually 10, I moved him up a spot

suffice it to say that once things get going that's going to require some explanation.

14x All NBA, 4x All Defense, 2x MVP, 2nd leading all time scorer, 7th leading all time rebounder, 3rd in AT win shares...is Moses in your Top 5 by any chance?

[wojoaderge]

you have Moses 11 spots about the 2nd leading scorer of all time?

Actually 10, I moved him up a spot

suffice it to say that once things get going that's going to require some explanation.

14x All NBA, 4x All Defense, 2x MVP, 2nd leading all time scorer, 7th leading all time rebounder, 3rd in AT win shares...is Moses in your Top 5 by any chance?

My list is on the first page of this thread

[Gregoire]

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Lebron
5. Russell
6. Shaq
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Duncan
10. Magic

[Winsome Gerbil]

Actually 10, I moved him up a spot

suffice it to say that once things get going that's going to require some explanation.

14x All NBA, 4x All Defense, 2x MVP, 2nd leading all time scorer, 7th leading all time rebounder, 3rd in AT win shares...is Moses in your Top 5 by any chance?

My list is on the first page of this thread

Ah, ok, well, there's enough outside the box positions talent here that my focusing solely on Mailman any further would seem myopic.

[Outside]

An interesting thing I want to see play out is this:

Bill Walton, for example, played in 468 career games, most of them in decline, had career averages of 13.3pts 10.5reb 3.4ast. Yet most, including me somewhere back there 50ish or something, will credit him with a prominent position on this list.

Well, even ignoring the other short career guys, a number of current players have played in more games, and more games at high levels than Walton. Steph has played in 574gms. Durant 703. Cousins 487. Westbrook 668. Harden 615. Blake 471. etc. All of those guys have career numbers dwarfing what Walton put up (6215 career pts 4923 rebs). So in order for Walton to be so elevated we just have to be applying a "coulda been greater than his numbers and put up much bigger numbers" standard. But then I am almost sure we're going to turn around in many other cases and say, oops partial career, not enough numbers etc.

That's not entirely a "you guys suck" argument. I am wary/aware of myself doing it both ways as well.

Couple of points......
Firstly, you're sort of assuming people will give him a position of prominence ("50ish or something"), when we don't know that to be the case at all (well, I KNOW that to NOT be the case for me). I'm the one tracking all the stuff itt, and I only see ONE person who has so far listed him at all (at #30); and that person has stated that longevity is a minor consideration.
I'd secondly note that Walton appears (clearly) to be a guy whose impact went well beyond his box numbers (in '77 and '78, at least), fwiw.

Walton can earn consideration above what his stats would apparently justify based on his peak performance as a Blazer before he got hurt, plus a boost from his 6th man year with the Celtics.

Those Portland teams in the championship 1976-77 season and Walton's MVP 1977-78 season are among my favorites, playing the beautiful, free-flowing game that I adore, unselfish. elite at both ends of the court. Though he never scored 20 points per game, Walton was the hub for their success at both ends. He was a great screener and passer, excellent rebounder, and excellent defender. Walton could've scored more, but part of Jack Ramsay's beautiful, unselfish system was that scoring was distributed -- six players averaged double-figures during the championship season and seven did during Walton's MVP season.

At his best, he was a bouncy, hyper, athletic force bouncing around the court. It was the briefest of times, but he played the center position at a peak level rivaling that of other all-time greats, and that's why some people put him on these lists. It's all a matter of how much weight you give to peak performance vs. stats vs. longevity. I expect that I'll have him somewhere on my 100 list and higher than most.

[feyki]

I have no idea where to put Mikan.

I feel he should be no less than 14th

His peak/prime top 5, for me. But longevity is the problem.