https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2430970
Now we’re looking at the 2nd:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16HJpl7cVegvjHlavz1DecoJwCRB7JFit/view?usp=drive_link
We’re just going to stick to perimeter stuff for counting.
Spoiler:
Going to add
SPDs - Secondary Perimeter defendings - This credits a player as the secondary or co-secondary perimeter defender for a possession
ESPDs - Effective secondary perimeter defendings - Infer this you can
ISPDs - Ineffective secondary perimeter defendings - Infer this you can
Let’s begin.
(2000 Pheonix vs The Suns)
Possession 1 - 0:52
Duncan hangs around the free-throw line and moves to help on a drive.
Possession 2 - 1:40
Duncan spends the possession at the rim and gets a block as two of his teammates stop #3.
Possession 3 - 1:50
Duncan waits by the edge of the paint. Robinson is the primary
Possession 4 - 2:55
Duncan waits near the basket and meets Shawn Marion on the strongside
Possession 5 - 3:28
Duncan starts at the free-throw line and then comes to the basket to intercept the diver weakside and swats it away, fouling.
(Duncan - 1 SPD, 1 ISPD)
Possession 6 - 4:40
Possession ends quickly with errant pass
Possession 7 - 5:38
Duncan gets his first PPD coming out to meet Marbury after a screen and then switching to Williams who misses the rim completely.
(Duncan 1 - PPD, 1 EPPD)
Possession 8 - 5:57
Fastbreak. Duncan is too far up the court and watches as Robinson is helpless in a 3 v 1.
Possession 9 - 6:21
Duncan chases from behind as Stoudemire makes 2 spurs defenders part seas before dunking.
Possession 10 - 6:51
Duncan starts the possession in the paint and then moves to Williams who misses the jumper.
(Duncan - 2 SPD, 1 ESPD)
Possession 11 - 7:41
Duncan picks up the ball-handler and stops the drive. The ball is swung to Stevenson who blows by his man for an easy layup.
(Duncan - 2 PPD)
Possession 12 - 9:50
This possession makes me wonder about the Meniscus. Second time we see Duncan chasing a ball-handler and not being able to keep space. In the close-up for this one he seems to be struggling as opposed to just letting the guy go. 99 Duncan seems to move up and down the court faster.
Possession 13 - 10:24
Duncan is pretty involved this possession. Comes out at the start to meet someone receiving the ball, helps on a drive, and helps a bit in the extended extra-possession battle.
(Duncan - 3 SPD, 2 ESPD)
Possession 14 - 11:21
Duncan is the slowest man running back. Pheonix scores.
Possession 15 - 12:15
Rotates to elbow to meet ball-handler, funnels him into Robinson and helps get the ball out of 4bound. Waits near the rim for the rest of the possession.
(Duncan - 4 SPD, 3 ESPD)
Possession 16 - 13:10
Duncan does well on an island near the basket, initially blocking Stoudemire and then forcing a bad shot as he re-engages at the low post. Gets an SPD mostly by default.
(Duncan - 5 SPD, 4 ESPD)
Possession 17 - 14:05
Duncan D’s up Stevenson as he drives and then gets backdoored at the rim.
(Duncan - 6 SPD)
Possession 18 - 14:45
Duncan forgets which team he’s playing for and screens his own teammate assisting Phoenix with a basket.
Possession 19 - 15:15
Duncan waits by the rim and then creates an easy rebound by sealing off his man.
Possession 20 - 18:30
Duncan gets a block strongside after hovering on an island near the rim.
(Duncan - 3 PPD, 1 IPPD)
Possession 21 - 18:45
The Suns score in seconds with Duncan near the opposing basket. Doesn’t bother trying to catchup.
Possession 22 - 19:10
Duncan on an island in the paint again. Stuffs his man again. Generational paint-protecting stretch right now. A shame I’m not tracking PPs. (Open invitation for a reader to sort through these notes for that)
Possession 23 - 20:00
According to a nurse who shan’t be named Meniscus damage affects turn-of-direction more than sprinting so I wonder if that factors in here. Duncan rushes out to the perimeter, is blown by, and falls heavy on his left leg and is slow to turn and recover. Phoenix exploits the void at the basket to score.
(Duncan 7 SPD, 2 ISPD)
Possession 24 - 20:16
Caught ball-watching a bit and the contest comes too late.
Possession 25 - 21:00
Duncan hangs at the basket.
Possession 26 - 25:25
Duncan ventures out to the key to intercept the ball-handler then comes back to help his team win the board.
(Duncan - 8 SPD)
Possession 27 - 27:35
Duncan starts near the basket and comes out to deter the drive but Brown dumps it to a teammate who gets sent to the line just as the shotclock expires.
(Duncan leaves during the free-throws)
(Duncan returns)
Possession 28 - 32:43
Duncan starts at the free-throw line and then works his way to the basket where he wins his teammate a board while falling down.
Possession 29 - 33:40
Duncan channels Syspheas starting the possession at the basket and then jumping 4 times to try bring an end to the possession only for a Sun to hit it back up until it finally settles in.
Possession 30 - 34:19
Duncan again runs back slower than everyone but makes it in-time to see the ball bounce off the rim onto the hands of a teammate.
Possession 31 - 35:17
Duncan backs his way to the basket where he stops two attempts at the basket to help force a shot-clock violation.
Possession 32 - 36:08
Duncan floats in the paint and is in the way of a potential offensive rebounder.
Possession 33 - 38:50
Duncan picks up a ball-handler mid-post and dances with him before pressuring him into a miss. Spurs foul on the rebound. On the inbound Duncan helps prevents an offensive board only get beat at the rim.
(9 SPD, 5 ESPD)
Possession 34 - 40:30
Duncan is at the basket and leaps to win a contested rebound.
Possession 35 - 43:05
Duncan comes to meet the ball-handler on a drive but is caught flat-footed. Robinson comes to the rescue.
(Duncan - 10 SPD, 3 ISPD)
Possession 36 - 44:08
Duncan gets over a screen from Outlaw and then matches up with Stoudimire at the elbow. He then slides with him towards the basket and forces a miss. Outlaw gets the board and is fouled. Duncan is beat for an offensive putback on the second free-throw.
(Duncan - 4 PPD, 3 EPPD)
Possession 37 - 45:50
Duncan starts near the basket, helps at the corner, and then goes back to the basket where he watches a jumper swish in.
Possession 38 - 46:10
Fastbreak, Duncan runs back the slowest. Suns score.
(Duncan - 5 PPD, 4 EPPD)
Possession 39 - 49:53
Duncan stops a drive at the rim deflecting the ball to another Suns player who bricks a jumper.
Possession 40 - 50:21
Duncan gets back to the basket and then goes towards the free-throw to help on the ball-handler. A jumper is fired and it bricks.
Final Tally - Duncan vs the Suns (2003)
5 PPD
4 EPPD
1 IPPD
10 SPD
5 ESPD
3 ISPD
Final Tally - Duncan vs Jazz (2000)
5 PPD
4 EPPD
1 IPPD
13 SPD
6 ESPD
5 ISPD
General observations:
-> Less movement and but seems alot more positionally sound
-> 6 defensive fastbreaks for the 2003 game where Duncan is on the other side of the court and he runs the slowest and doesn't accelerate near the end
-> Clunkier turning?
-> Seems like the Spurs primary paint-protector for both though it would be neat if anyone is willing to apply the paint-tracking stuff using the notes/time-stamps jotted
-> Less usage I guess, but alot less tracked ineffective possessions. Caveat; Duncan was not penalized for any of the aforementioned fastbreaks
More later.
