Childress leaving Hawks to join Greek franchise (Page 12)

[evildallas]

Deveney at Sporting News has some info on the Childress negotiations that were

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If the Childress process is any indication, though, the Hawks are not too keen on a sign-and-trade. Childress himself said there were two championship-level teams interested in talking sign-and-trade with the Hawks, and Suns VP David Griffin confirmed that Phoenix was one of those teams. "We were open to talking about it, but it never got very far," Griffin said.

Childress's agent, Lon Babby, confirmed that. "Phoenix was as close as we came to getting something done on a sign-and-trade. But I never got the sense that the Hawks were interested in that route."

When you look at the roster for Phoenix it becomes apparent how hard a S&T with BYC issues is to pull off. The only offers I could match up were Diaw for Childress and Zaza (which would suck) or Barbosa and Bell for Childress and Speedy (which would suck for Phoenix).

We have limited pieces to attach in a S&T which makes it so difficult to do. Solomon doesn't make enough to really help. Zaza opens up a hole that where we're already lean. Speedy's health would make the other team pause. Mike Bibby creates a hole at PG and makes the deal larger than most teams want (from what I've heard they prefer to pick the Hawks bones on the cheap). It makes no sense to include Marvin, Joe, Al, or Acie (low salary) from the Hawks point of view. The revelation that Phoenix was one of the S&T partners that had camp Childress so riled up shows me that they were unrealistic about what is possible and the extent the Hawks should have gone to please them.

[raleigh]

I believe I made a trade work for Barbosa centered around Childress/Jones.

That would've been a lot better than what actually happened.

[evildallas]

I believe I made a trade work for Barbosa centered around Childress/Jones.

That would've been a lot better than what actually happened.

Did you have the BYC issues dealt with on that? I thought they weren't factored in and they make it really hard to make things match up without adding a lot more than 1M in salary to our side.

[raleigh]

^^^I did deal with the BYC, but I think I calculated Childress at or near the MLE. It now appears that he wanted more than that, and that likely would've made a trade improbable.

[JoshB914]

Some interesting thoughts from Childress: http://www.scoreatl.com/stories/the-chi ... spectives/

[JoshB914]

According to an interview with 790, Chill said the Hawks' offer was 5 years $33 million.

[HMFFL]

I heard Dan Patrick on 680 (ESPN) say that Josh Childress took his finals today at Stanford.

[D21]

According to an interview with 790, Chill said the Hawks' offer was 5 years $33 million.

Well, if it's the truth, the offer started at a bit less than the MLE (33M/5yr starts at 5.455, MLE being at 5.585). Pretty sure the important number was the total guaranteed money, and that a 41M/6yrs offer, even without being a huge increase per year, would have been more attractive. Still not what he gets for real in Olympiakos.

[HMFFL]

Josh was on both 680 and 790 for interviews. It was pretty interesting hearing what he had to say and I could hear the frustrating behind his breath.

Josh said he wanted to start for this team, but yet he felt Coach Woodson never opened the door to him, and he found himself coming off the bench even when Marvin Williams was hurt. Callers went on to debate the two players and the majority leaned towards Josh Childress > Marvin Williams.

He said Coach Woodson never called him since the off-season started.

He talked to Sund on the phone but he never met him. He also went on to say he felt like the parties should have met during the process. Sund told him to pursue a deal that beats the one the Hawks have offered.

That lead to Josh talking about how he felt the ownership seems to think players should think about them, but Josh doesn't feel the ownership feels the same about the players, so it was getting to a point where he had to worry about himself and maximum his earnings. He noted the obvious about the ASG/Sund moving extremely slow!

Went on to discuss the contract with Olympiakos. We all basically know what everything about that. Josh did say he doesn't know anything about the house cleaning or car/drive that's been mentioned. He said it's not a big deal because he had a company cleaning his house during his time with us. Josh said many NBA players called him after they found out about the signing and everyone was happy for him.

Josh Childress went on to mention Josh Smith and how the two talk often. He said Josh Smith shares the same opinion about the ASG/Sund and how they're dealing with the process.

[evildallas]

Wow, interesting stuff. Sund didn't meet with him in person even once? That's low rent. I pray they are treating Josh Smith with a little more respect.

I don't have anything to say about the starting or Woodson. I've hated Woodson for years now and anything I say wouldn't be very objective anyway.

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Evil, I bet you Sund still hasn't met with Smoove and Woody probably hasn't had any contact with him either.

To add insult to injury, Gearon talked to Chills and said he was frustrated by the process and would hope to bring him back in the future. When Kincaid on 680 stated that Maurice Evans will now wear the #1 jersey, Chills just laughed and said it sure didn't sound like they would be welcoming him back. To me, Chills sounded like he was glad to be out of this organization's stranglehold.

680 also mentioned that several attempts to get Sund to come on the program have been ignored. And we all thought Billy Knight was a clown?

This management staff is completely incompetent; sure sounds like Rick Sund was making sure the team's offseason's reported objectives were being met. Unbelieveable...good for Chills and to add insult to injury, Chills mentioned that it might be a while for Smoove to sign if it ever happens. He stated that Smoove is also frustrated with the Stagnate Group and the longer it takes, the more problems that could come of it.

All I get out of this is that management doesn't feel like these 2 were important enough to get signed. To top things off, I got a call from a Hawks marketing guy re: ticket packages and I told him I was waiting on the Smoove resolution. I asked him how often he was hearing that, and he said that Smoove's name has never come up in other telephone calls. Hmmmm.

[evildallas]

All I get out of this is that management doesn't feel like these 2 were important enough to get signed. To top things off, I got a call from a Hawks marketing guy re: ticket packages and I told him I was waiting on the Smoove resolution. I asked him how often he was hearing that, and he said that Smoove's name has never come up in other telephone calls. Hmmmm.

Well that smells like B.S. I've told my ticket representative on the phone and via email that if Josh Smith was traded that I would like to get a refund. I of course was told I couldn't. Then I responded by asking via email if I can switch to a less expensive season ticket location to minimize my losses. I got no response to that They sold a lot of ticket packages during the playoff series on the performances of Joe and Josh. Seems like they forgot who did the heavy lifting.

You may be right on Sund, but if Josh Smith hasn't produced enough to be personally assured of his importance to the organization during contract negotiations then who has.

And on the jersey number thing I thought the exact same thing. Not exactly leaving the light on are they? Makes me wonder if Josh Childress has gotten himself blackballed by being a maverick.

[tisbee]

In the Artest trade w/Houston,a columnist for Houston Chronicle mentioned Childress was one of the players the Rockets sought ahead of Artest.(Somebody near the Rockets GM talked to him about other things as well,so take it for what it's worth.)
Here's what I don't get. It's now pretty obvious Childress' and his agents brought in some sign-n-trade deals. Which means they had a salary figure they could live with worked out. Now I can see the Hawks not liking what was being offered player-wise,BUT THEY KNEW WHAT JOSH WOULD ACCEPT. So why didn't they step up and make that offer w/all their people in a full court press saying how much they valued him and they didn't want him to leave and maybe kick in a tad more,or say that's too much and actively shop him for what they could get. Esp once the Greek offer went public and they knew Josh wasn't rejecting it out of hand,they should have gone into emergency mode and at least gotten expiring and draft picks. The team prob could have gotten for Childress what Sac got for Artest from Houston-an old pg w/an expiring contract,Greene and Hou's 09 First,or shopped w/Portland for a decent package of young players-perhaps Martell Webster and Channing Frye.
I can see deciding Childress as asking for more than the club is willing to pay. What I can't understand is knowingy letting him walk and getting nothing in return-except saving a few bucks.

[evildallas]

The BYC rules and cap holds are one thing that makes the trade tricky because it requires the other team to be under the cap or have a trade exception, or another player to be bundled with the player being traded to make the math work. The other thing is that in a S&T scenario the team is still spending the money and cap space. It worked against the team to have 2 RFAs the same season. First you have the issue of one's contract expectations affecting the other (ask Chicago about that) and secondly you have the team being reluctant to take on salary before resolving the other RFA's status for fear of incurring luxury tax or leaving themselves vulnerable to offers to the unsigned player. I'm putting these things out as factors, the main thing was the ASG felt they had all the leverage and were ultimately going to get the player at a discount.

To bundle a player the options were really Speedy Claxton which is unlikely because of health concerns, Zaza Pachulia which leaves our front line bench even thinner, and Solomon Jones whose salary doesn't move the needle much. The team started free agency about 7M below the cap in real terms (way over with cap holds). The team was about 19M short of the luxury tax. Early in the process if they had completed a S&T with Childress for a starting salary of 8M it would have given teams leverage to go after Josh Smith. After the teams with cap space spent theirs, the ASG thought themselves the winners because they could sit back and wait for the players to realize their was no market for them. They were wrong about how strong their position was.

[HMFFL]

Wow, interesting stuff. Sund didn't meet with him in person even once? That's low rent. I pray they are treating Josh Smith with a little more respect.

I don't have anything to say about the starting or Woodson. I've hated Woodson for years now and anything I say wouldn't be very objective anyway.

Josh Childress was basically saying that it's similar treatment for Josh Smith. No class by the ASG or Sund!

[evildallas]

Wow, interesting stuff. Sund didn't meet with him in person even once? That's low rent. I pray they are treating Josh Smith with a little more respect.

I don't have anything to say about the starting or Woodson. I've hated Woodson for years now and anything I say wouldn't be very objective anyway.

Josh Childress was basically saying that it's similar treatment for Josh Smith. No class by the ASG or Sund!

I just don't get it. Do they treat their employees like this in their other businesses?

I'll remember this summer for a long time and even if they ultimately sign Josh Smith long term I believe they've convinced me to not buy season tickets for any of the ASG teams ever again. With rookie deals and contracts ending every summer will have the potential to be this bad on the fans. It'll be rough enough without thousands of entertainment dollars on the line as well.