It's too easy to overreact but ...

[parson]

I'm personally in favor of seeing if Millsap can be moved for legitimate future assets. The problem is finding a trade partner.

Agreed. I've wondered if we could find a team with a young Center we could gamble on. Of course, we'd need a couple of backup-level bigs to bide us over.

Maybe Ferry's waiting for someone who's about to be waived. Daniel Orton? Bynum?

Trade Millsap to OKC for Perkins and 3 firsts (and I mean 3, Perkins is terrible)?

[azuresou1]

3 1sts from an OKC team with Millsap wouldn't be worth much. That team would roll, even with an undersized frontcourt. If we did trade with them though, I'd want Steven Adams back.

[parson]

3 1sts from an OKC team with Millsap wouldn't be worth much. That team would roll, even with an undersized frontcourt. If we did trade with them though, I'd want Steven Adams back.

I agree about Adams and would gladly forgo the picks if OKC would send us Adams for Millsap - but the Thunder love Adams. Even if we agreed to take Perkins, they'd refuse.

And I meant for one of the picks to be the DAL pick.

[Rip2137]

Maybe just grab a guy like Dewayne Dedmon in the D-League and just let him go? Honestly guys...I don't see a realistic trade out there.

I was wanting Robin Lopez but now that the season has started, that ship has sailed...

[diesel50]

For us, the Thunder is not a great trading partner...unless they would do Adams/Lamb for Sap. Moreover, we haven't sufficiently determined what's best moving forward. I think we say that Sap is the one that needs to be traded because of the length of his contract. However, it's easier to say that Sap has more offensive tools than Horford and we need to bring in a rebounder to improve this team.
The real question is what's on Ferry's agenda. He has this whole BK change the culture thingy going on. The question is has he already pinpointed some guys that he wants. With the news that Milwaukee is shopping Neal, I can't imagine Ferry not making a call.
Here's the deal though... I was watching the spurs last night. We have a very similar make up to them when we're healthy. However, the main thing that we're missing is the penetration. No matter what's going on, San Anton is penetrating. Weather it's Ginobili or Parker they have guards that penetrate. Horf can play High post ala Duncan and Teague has been working on his penetration but we need that second guy who can just take it to the hole off the dribble. Right now, we are at risk of becoming a team of jumpshooters.

[Jamaaliver]

We are topping 100 due to the increased 3 point shooting.

In the last 3 losses 2 teams have shot 40% from the field and Golden state shot 44. That's right in line with what we have been doing all year. We have been forcing just as many turnovers, blocking just as many shots and holding teams the same percentage.

The things that have changed since Horford went down are freethrow attempts, OUR shooting percentage, and the amount of shots we take in the paint.

I understand you think getting outrebounded by FOUR is a big deal, but seeing as almost all of the offensive rebounds were grabbed by guards on long rebounds last night, I'm not really sure how adding a bottom of the trash heap big will change that.

I don't know that being outrebounded by four is a big deal, but giving up 15 offensive rebounds to a team that also lost THEIR All Star center is atrocious. Factor in that the game prior we gave up 20 offensive rebounds. Those are the two worst numbers of the season for us. The game prior we gave up 13 offensive rebounds. In the last 3 games we're giving up nearly twice as many OREBs as previous. (16 per game vs 9 per game) We've also been dominated on the boards by the likes of Vucevic and AL Jefferson since Horford went down.

It is a lingering concern. Cartier Martin was waived this week. I think there's a more than likely chance Ferry uses that roster spot on another big man, since the lot we have are pretty underwhelming.

Here's the deal though... I was watching the spurs last night. We have a very similar make up to them when we're healthy. However, the main thing that we're missing is the penetration. No matter what's going on, San Anton is penetrating. Weather it's Ginobili or Parker they have guards that penetrate...Teague has been working on his penetration but we need that second guy who can just take it to the hole off the dribble. Right now, we are at risk of becoming a team of jumpshooters.

Agree on the need for wings who can penetrate, does Lou Will not adequately fit that need?
Do we think Evan Turner can do that for us as a secondary ballhandler?

If we did trade with them though, I'd want Steven Adams back.

I suspect that would cost us Bebe, also. I suspect most Hawks fans would be okay with that...

[Rip2137]

Again, I get what you are saying but you can't just look at the numbers quickly and move on. Jersey had 15 offensive boards...we had 10. And 7 of them were grabbed by guards. That's not a big man issue, that's a "guards trying to score in transition and not securing the rebound" issue. We gave up 20 against Chicago but grabbed 17 offensive rebounds. Neither side can exactly say they dominated there.

I'm not saying we couldn't rebound better....everyone could. I am saying now that our offense coming to a screeching halt and over reliance on 3's with no go to offensive set is killing us WAY more than lacking Size. I am saying adding a big with no offence threat would actually make this team worse right now. Adding a couple of rebounds isn't going to change the world. And our defense has been fine.

to your other point, Lou Williams SHOULD be that guy and historically has been good at getting to the line. But so far this year it appears he is content on setting up his step back jumper. Which isn't falling.

[PandaKidd]

Im increasingly starting to think we should take the Chi town route and just ship everything out. If DENG can get an expiring AND 3 picks, what could Millsap get us?

Anyone listen to the night show on 92.9 last night? Jason made a good argument for just ending all this. The fans ARENT showing up even when the Hawks were playing well BEFORE AH went down. Whats the point now? They will show up even less now.

Ship Millsap out for draft picks, trade Lou Will for anything, ride this season out with Korver and teague, start over.

But, this team may be so terrible anyways we wont need to ship anyone out? I mean can we count on that 1 Nets pick and FA to make us better by next year?

[diesel50]

Agree on the need for wings who can penetrate, does Lou Will not adequately fit that need?
Do we think Evan Turner can do that for us as a secondary ballhandler?

If it were possible to get Turner, I think he'd be a great future guy regardless of if he's the best penetrator or not. He has good game and that's something that's never lost.

[diesel50]

Again, I get what you are saying but you can't just look at the numbers quickly and move on. Jersey had 15 offensive boards...we had 10. And 7 of them were grabbed by guards. That's not a big man issue, that's a "guards trying to score in transition and not securing the rebound" issue. We gave up 20 against Chicago but grabbed 17 offensive rebounds. Neither side can exactly say they dominated there.

I'm not saying we couldn't rebound better....everyone could. I am saying now that our offense coming to a screeching halt and over reliance on 3's with no go to offensive set is killing us WAY more than lacking Size. I am saying adding a big with no offence threat would actually make this team worse right now. Adding a couple of rebounds isn't going to change the world. And our defense has been fine.

to your other point, Lou Williams SHOULD be that guy and historically has been good at getting to the line. But so far this year it appears he is content on setting up his step back jumper. Which isn't falling.

I don't really trust undersized off-guards so I didn't have a lot of hope for Lou to begin with. However, I disagree with you on the big man issue. I watch Chicago play volleyball. In my thoughts, we have to really make plans for the future and not the post season. That being the case, getting a guy like Asik or Gortat would be a move that should sit very well with Hawksfans. Whereas Gortat is not some great scorer, his rebounding and pick setting will make a world of difference for this team.

[diesel50]

Im increasingly starting to think we should take the Chi town route and just ship everything out. If DENG can get an expiring AND 3 picks, what could Millsap get us?

Anyone listen to the night show on 92.9 last night? Jason made a good argument for just ending all this. The fans ARENT showing up even when the Hawks were playing well BEFORE AH went down. Whats the point now? They will show up even less now.

Ship Millsap out for draft picks, trade Lou Will for anything, ride this season out with Korver and teague, start over.

But, this team may be so terrible anyways we wont need to ship anyone out? I mean can we count on that 1 Nets pick and FA to make us better by next year?

If we base everything on fan participation, then we should not even have a team. The fans will not participate until we're in the ECF. A firesale wouldn't really help us. We just have to learn to lose pretty.