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Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1121 » by jayu70 » Wed May 7, 2025 3:17 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Geaux_Hawks wrote:At this juncture, the contract is just too big for us. 10 mill AAV cheaper, and I wouldn't be opposed.


1. I understand the concern.

2. I suspect the Lauri bounce back season will be glorious and he'll still get moved at some point.

3. I know small market teams often have to pay extra to retain top talent.
Amidst a rising salary cap -- the relative cap hit actually gets smaller every season, mitigating much of the downside.

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What is your 'buy low' cost? Considering also we are dealing with Danny Ainge.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1122 » by Jamaaliver » Wed May 7, 2025 3:56 pm

jayu70 wrote:What is your 'buy low' cost? Considering also we are dealing with Danny Ainge.


Good question:

For an in-prime, All Star caliber forward...on a bad contract coming off a down season.

Hawks get:
Lauri Markkanen

Jazz get:
George Niang (expiring)
Terance Mann
Kobe Bufkin
2030 Hawks 1st Round Pick (top-4 protected)
2028 Hawks 1st Round Pick Swap
2025 Sacramento 1st Round Pick


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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1123 » by dms269 » Wed May 7, 2025 4:37 pm

There has been a lot of rumors/rumblings/hopes about Giannis being traded, but looping the Pelicans in so that Milwaukee gets their picks back.
With the 27 first being tied to us as well, how does that work in regards to trading it? I know currently the Pelicans get the better of their own and the Milwaukee first, with us getting the worst.

I am assuming it would be: Milwaukee gets the better of their own and the New Orleans first, Atlanta then gets the other pick?
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1124 » by CP War Hawks » Wed May 7, 2025 6:21 pm

Hawks get worse of the Mil and Pels pick which should both be top 20 caliber. Actually that Mil pick should be pretty juicy and the Pels seems to be stuck in neutral through 2027.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1125 » by dms269 » Wed May 7, 2025 8:23 pm

CP War Hawks wrote:Hawks get worse of the Mil and Pels pick which should both be top 20 caliber. Actually that Mil pick should be pretty juicy and the Pels seems to be stuck in neutral through 2027.


I know that much, I am wodnering what would the wording have to change to for the Pelicans to be able to move the 27 back to Milwaukee.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1126 » by Geaux_Hawks » Wed May 7, 2025 9:35 pm

dms269 wrote:There has been a lot of rumors/rumblings/hopes about Giannis being traded, but looping the Pelicans in so that Milwaukee gets their picks back.
With the 27 first being tied to us as well, how does that work in regards to trading it? I know currently the Pelicans get the better of their own and the Milwaukee first, with us getting the worst.

I am assuming it would be: Milwaukee gets the better of their own and the New Orleans first, Atlanta then gets the other pick?

what scenario are you considering here? Giannis to Atlanta? or New Orleans?
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1127 » by dms269 » Thu May 8, 2025 9:46 am

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dms269 wrote:There has been a lot of rumors/rumblings/hopes about Giannis being traded, but looping the Pelicans in so that Milwaukee gets their picks back.
With the 27 first being tied to us as well, how does that work in regards to trading it? I know currently the Pelicans get the better of their own and the Milwaukee first, with us getting the worst.

I am assuming it would be: Milwaukee gets the better of their own and the New Orleans first, Atlanta then gets the other pick?

what scenario are you considering here? Giannis to Atlanta? or New Orleans?
Neither truthfully. For us to get Giannis it would require us to give up way too many assets. New Orleans doesn't really have enough either without gutting their team.

Since we own the "worst of the two", can New Orleans hypothetically trade just the Milwaukee part back to Milwaukee or would we have to be looped in somehow?

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1128 » by Geaux_Hawks » Fri May 9, 2025 2:12 pm

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dms269 wrote:There has been a lot of rumors/rumblings/hopes about Giannis being traded, but looping the Pelicans in so that Milwaukee gets their picks back.
With the 27 first being tied to us as well, how does that work in regards to trading it? I know currently the Pelicans get the better of their own and the Milwaukee first, with us getting the worst.

I am assuming it would be: Milwaukee gets the better of their own and the New Orleans first, Atlanta then gets the other pick?

what scenario are you considering here? Giannis to Atlanta? or New Orleans?
Neither truthfully. For us to get Giannis it would require us to give up way too many assets. New Orleans doesn't really have enough either without gutting their team.

Since we own the "worst of the two", can New Orleans hypothetically trade just the Milwaukee part back to Milwaukee or would we have to be looped in somehow?

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So there's a few moving parts here. We truly don't own either pick outright since there's a top 4 protection on both picks in our situation, and there's no compensation for us if both picks are top 4. So Milwaukee could effectively be getting their pick back and guaranteeing themselves to have another top 4 pick because they're now rebuilding and NOP might be that bad.

Essentially how this would work out is, NO would be giving their rights to have the better pick to Milwaukee, and we would still have the worst of the 2 picks (both top 4 protected). We wouldn't necessarily have to do anything here since no matter what happens, our pick still ends up being the worst one. The top 4 part is important as well since Milwaukee could end up with both picks in '27.

In another scenario though, if Milwaukee wanted to gamble on the Pels being bad in '27, they could ask for the rights to NO's pick to be included as well. In this scenario, we would then need to be brought in to give up the right to having the worst of 2 picks so Milwaukee can actually have both their pick back and NO's pick. Milwaukee would only favor this if they really just want to guarantee themselves they will get NOP '27 if it just so happens to fall in the 5-10 range. This could happen in different ways by negotiating the protection or fully compensating us to relinquishing the NOP pick.

This is all assuming Milwaukee is dead set on being a rebuilding team in '27, so it really depends on what Milwaukee wants to do.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1129 » by Rebound Mound » Sat May 10, 2025 2:53 pm

I really believe we have assets to offer and get a good player as Markannen, although Utah could ask for JJ, who is untouchable to me. In fact, the point og getting Markannen, and not a different player, is that Markannen can play as a SF and as a PF (even defend Cs with no problem), so pairing him with JJ would create the best forwards duo in the NBA.
If Utah is interested, I would offer any player or combination of players outside of Trae and JJ. So Risacher, OO, Mann, Daniels, Levert, Niang, Gueye, CC or whoever they want for Markannen would be a good option for me. Clearly.
Markannen is a player that would take us to another level.
Would they be willing to trade back John?
The truth is that we are in a very good situation with young players and some enticing expiring contracts. We are going to stop paying Nance, Levert, Capela, Hyland... but the new JJ's contract kicks in next season.

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Markannen
JJ
Collins
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Westbrook
Krejci
Mann
Gueye
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1130 » by jayu70 » Sat May 10, 2025 4:38 pm

Rebound Mound wrote:I
Trae
XXX
Markannen
JJ
Collins
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Westbrook
Krejci
Mann
Gueye

:-? :-? :nonono:
Dyson, Zacc, OO, Kobe a plethora of picks I'm assuming for Lauri, Collins and Westbrook?? That's awful.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1131 » by Rebound Mound » Sat May 10, 2025 7:36 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Rebound Mound wrote:I
Trae
XXX
Markannen
JJ
Collins
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Westbrook
Krejci
Mann
Gueye

:-? :-? :nonono:
Dyson, Zacc, OO, Kobe a plethora of picks I'm assuming for Lauri, Collins and Westbrook?? That's awful.


Let's be realistic.
Daniels is a very good defender who makes out for Trae's lack of strength, but he is not technically gifted... at all... he is in a very good contract, but one day he will command 30 millions.
Collins could be serviceable. We need someone in the middle. It could be him or any other player, but he is in his last year. Then we will be collecting 26 mill in cap space.
Westbrook is a FA who might sign with us for free. No relation with the trade/s.
I would love to see Zacharie as a future star, but I believe he is going to be a very good meddle class player, while Markannen is a border All Star as a minimum. 7-0 with good strength, shooting abilities, broad body, quickness, even dribbling abilities... the whole package.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1132 » by Geaux_Hawks » Sat May 10, 2025 8:15 pm

Rebound Mound wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Rebound Mound wrote:I
Trae
XXX
Markannen
JJ
Collins
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Westbrook
Krejci
Mann
Gueye

:-? :-? :nonono:
Dyson, Zacc, OO, Kobe a plethora of picks I'm assuming for Lauri, Collins and Westbrook?? That's awful.


Let's be realistic.
Daniels is a very good defender who makes out for Trae's lack of strength, but he is not technically gifted... at all... he is in a very good contract, but one day he will command 30 millions.
Collins could be serviceable. We need someone in the middle. It could be him or any other player, but he is in his last year. Then we will be collecting 26 mill in cap space.
Westbrook is a FA who might sign with us for free. No relation with the trade/s.
I would love to see Zacharie as a future star, but I believe he is going to be a very good meddle class player, while Markannen is a border All Star as a minimum. 7-0 with good strength, shooting abilities, broad body, quickness, even dribbling abilities... the whole package.


Even if you valued Dys and Zacch poorly, that's still an extreme overpay. Dys just finished 2nd in DPOY voting this year. That alone is worth more than Lauri, and I say that as someone who actually wants Lauri. Adding OO and Zacch is just overkill and would probably have this fanbase in a forever uproar over the most lopsided deal in franchise history.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1133 » by Rebound Mound » Sat May 10, 2025 9:25 pm

I did not say the trade would include all of them, I just did not put them in my roster scheme because I do not know whether they all would be with us in that hypothetical future.
Markannen is a star who probably is going to be traded this summer. We have assets to get him. Offering two young players who still need to show consistency in a long basis or even a real development as legit starters is fair.
Daniels is a good defender player. But if you put that in a trade fir a 25+ player, means what it means... Daniels+Risacher or OO and one or two picks should be a deal done. I doubt it happens, because Ainge will ask for more.
OO is a great player and very interesting with his 3point shooting, but he is 6-10 in an era of 7-3 centres back in play. We lack size in all our positions. Trae is small. JJ is small for PF standards. OO is small. We need bigger players, and that is obvious.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1134 » by dms269 » Sun May 11, 2025 3:16 am

Lauri has been on the decline the past two season. He is not a good defender and 2qs extremely inefficient compared to previous seasons. Then there is the injury risk he is (plays less than 70% of games). Giving up multiple starters and picks for a 20/7ish forward doesn't seem like the wisest basketball decision.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1135 » by CP War Hawks » Sun May 11, 2025 1:17 pm

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CP War Hawks wrote:Hawks get worse of the Mil and Pels pick which should both be top 20 caliber. Actually that Mil pick should be pretty juicy and the Pels seems to be stuck in neutral through 2027.


I know that much, I am wodnering what would the wording have to change to for the Pelicans to be able to move the 27 back to Milwaukee.


Trying to figure out why does NOP want to give the swap rights back to Mil when it has so much high lotto potential.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1136 » by dms269 » Mon May 12, 2025 7:43 am

CP War Hawks wrote:
dms269 wrote:
CP War Hawks wrote:Hawks get worse of the Mil and Pels pick which should both be top 20 caliber. Actually that Mil pick should be pretty juicy and the Pels seems to be stuck in neutral through 2027.


I know that much, I am wodnering what would the wording have to change to for the Pelicans to be able to move the 27 back to Milwaukee.


Trying to figure out why does NOP want to give the swap rights back to Mil when it has so much high lotto potential.
If Milwaukee wants to rebuild by trading Giannis for a rebuilding package (or a quick rebuild), then securing their 26 and 27 back would be needed. I can't imagine Milwaukee will trade Giannis for a pick heavy package without being able to tank at least for this next season with Dame out.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1137 » by graymule » Mon May 12, 2025 5:59 pm

:D

Hawks need a great player or two. There are too many really good Hawks and not enough great Hawks.

Do we have any player listed in the top ten in his position? Probably not. Trae didn't make it.
Consolidate!!

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1139 » by HMFFL » Fri May 16, 2025 4:57 pm

Sixers Expected To Listen To Offers For No. 3 Overall Pick

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1140 » by Jamaaliver » Fri May 16, 2025 5:35 pm

HMFFL wrote:Sixers Expected To Listen To Offers For No. 3 Overall Pick



Would you guys consider:

Trae + #13 overall
for Tyrese Maxey & #3 overall?

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