What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae?

[Hazer]

El-P is only here temporarily for the losing during the rebuild. He can’t be worthy, no other team even interviewed him. Amiright? Anyone? Hello? (crickets...)

I still need him to show me a lot more trade acumen. But the hiring of Coach El-P, the draft picks, and especially the draft-night trade for Young/1st are making Colonel Schlenk look like the smartest guy in the room. Jury is still out on past trades and if they showed lack of experience, or “ends justify the means” chess moves. These next 2 drafts and FAcies will show whether he’s a frikin’ genius (like The Logo told us), or just a lucky guy who’s learning trade negotiations on the fly.

[Jamaaliver]

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[kg01]

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Are you ready to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe .. CLP is doing more here than just occupying a chair until Luke Walton gets fired?

[Jamaaliver]

Are you ready to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe .. CLP is doing more here than just occupying a chair until Luke Walton gets fired?

Luscious Lloyd has been great. He's exceeded my every expectation this season. He's the perfect coach for this young team and this phase of the rebuild.


But...

I am not yet ready to predict he'll be around for the transition from young playoff team to battle tested contender.

Spoiler:

The original prediction for the newcomers:

I've been giving this some serious thought for a few weeks now.

Controversial Statement Alert:

Due to his inexperience, I do think Lloyd ends up being more of a bridge coach for us. A young, energetic player development specialist who helps transition us through the first phase of our rebuild.


And I think, should the timing play out right, there is one obvious future option as our coach of the future:

Luke Walton.

He has ties to Schlenk in GSW. He has HC experience. He oversaw that Warriors team that set the record for most wins in a regular season. And after the pressure cooker of LA and coaching Lebron, leading a franchise like the Hawks back to relevance would be a much less stressful scenario.

I don't expect anything for the next 2-3 years. But this choice makes too much sense not to be strongly considered down the road.

What Qualities Do Teams Need in Their New Coaches?

A rundown of the things that every coachless franchise should be looking for in potential candidates

Atlanta Hawks

Atlanta needs a bridge coach — à la Mark Jackson — who can set a foundation for the future while simultaneously energizing the fan base in the present. Development matters just as much as identity, especially when it comes to recent draft picks like Taurean Prince, John Collins, and whomever Atlanta takes with the projected fourth pick in this year’s draft.

The Ringer

It could be Luke Walton or Jarron Collins

[peoriabird]

Are you ready to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe .. CLP is doing more here than just occupying a chair until Luke Walton gets fired?

Luscious Lloyd has been great. He's exceeded my every expectation this season. He's the perfect coach for this young team and this phase of the rebuild.


But...

I am not yet ready to predict he'll be around for the transition from young playoff team to battle tested contender.

Spoiler:

The original prediction for the newcomers:

I've been giving this some serious thought for a few weeks now.

Controversial Statement Alert:

Due to his inexperience, I do think Lloyd ends up being more of a bridge coach for us. A young, energetic player development specialist who helps transition us through the first phase of our rebuild.


And I think, should the timing play out right, there is one obvious future option as our coach of the future:

Luke Walton.

He has ties to Schlenk in GSW. He has HC experience. He oversaw that Warriors team that set the record for most wins in a regular season. And after the pressure cooker of LA and coaching Lebron, leading a franchise like the Hawks back to relevance would be a much less stressful scenario.

I don't expect anything for the next 2-3 years. But this choice makes too much sense not to be strongly considered down the road.

What Qualities Do Teams Need in Their New Coaches?

A rundown of the things that every coachless franchise should be looking for in potential candidates

Atlanta Hawks

Atlanta needs a bridge coach — à la Mark Jackson — who can set a foundation for the future while simultaneously energizing the fan base in the present. Development matters just as much as identity, especially when it comes to recent draft picks like Taurean Prince, John Collins, and whomever Atlanta takes with the projected fourth pick in this year’s draft.

The Ringer

It could be Luke Walton or Jarron Collins

This is a joke right?

[kg01]

Are you ready to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe .. CLP is doing more here than just occupying a chair until Luke Walton gets fired?

Luscious Lloyd has been great. He's exceeded my every expectation this season. He's the perfect coach for this young team and this phase of the rebuild.

But...

I am not yet ready to predict he'll be around for the transition from young playoff team to battle tested contender.

Spoiler:

The original prediction for the newcomers:

I've been giving this some serious thought for a few weeks now.

Controversial Statement Alert:

Due to his inexperience, I do think Lloyd ends up being more of a bridge coach for us. A young, energetic player development specialist who helps transition us through the first phase of our rebuild.

And I think, should the timing play out right, there is one obvious future option as our coach of the future:

Luke Walton.

He has ties to Schlenk in GSW. He has HC experience. He oversaw that Warriors team that set the record for most wins in a regular season. And after the pressure cooker of LA and coaching Lebron, leading a franchise like the Hawks back to relevance would be a much less stressful scenario.

I don't expect anything for the next 2-3 years. But this choice makes too much sense not to be strongly considered down the road.

The Ringer

This is a joke right?

You'd think so but ....

Our guy @jamalll seems to think Schlenk wants/needs to bring in Walton or Brown or some other stiff from the Warriors at some point. Seems to think CLP is only here to develop the guys then turn the keys over to one-a them non-Steve Kerr clowns.

It's offensive, honestly.

[kg01]

Are you ready to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe .. CLP is doing more here than just occupying a chair until Luke Walton gets fired?

Luscious Lloyd has been great. He's exceeded my every expectation this season. He's the perfect coach for this young team and this phase of the rebuild.

But...

I am not yet ready to predict he'll be around for the transition from young playoff team to battle tested contender.

Spoiler:

The original prediction for the newcomers:

I've been giving this some serious thought for a few weeks now.

Controversial Statement Alert:

Due to his inexperience, I do think Lloyd ends up being more of a bridge coach for us. A young, energetic player development specialist who helps transition us through the first phase of our rebuild.


And I think, should the timing play out right, there is one obvious future option as our coach of the future:

Luke Walton.

He has ties to Schlenk in GSW. He has HC experience. He oversaw that Warriors team that set the record for most wins in a regular season. And after the pressure cooker of LA and coaching Lebron, leading a franchise like the Hawks back to relevance would be a much less stressful scenario.

I don't expect anything for the next 2-3 years. But this choice makes too much sense not to be strongly considered down the road.

What Qualities Do Teams Need in Their New Coaches?

A rundown of the things that every coachless franchise should be looking for in potential candidates

Atlanta Hawks

Atlanta needs a bridge coach — à la Mark Jackson — who can set a foundation for the future while simultaneously energizing the fan base in the present. Development matters just as much as identity, especially when it comes to recent draft picks like Taurean Prince, John Collins, and whomever Atlanta takes with the projected fourth pick in this year’s draft.

The Ringer

It could be Luke Walton or Jarron Collins

You have to stahhp this.

[Jamaaliver]

You'd think so but ....

Our guy @jamalll seems to think Schlenk wants/needs to bring in Walton or Brown or some other stiff from the Warriors at some point. Seems to think CLP is only here to develop the guys then turn the keys over to one-a them non-Steve Kerr clowns.

It's offensive, honestly.

Highly offensive and unlikely...but I stand by it.

I'll gladly eat crow if 3 years go by, Lloyd is leading this team to the ECF on a new contract.


I've long figured that most of the people in place last summer won't still be here when we reach true contention. I think Lloyd falls within that. It'll be really interesting to see where Luke Walton goes in the future. If he gets another shot at Assistant Coach, does he go to New Orleans? Back to Golden State? Portland? San Antonio?

[kg01]

You'd think so but ....

Our guy @jamalll seems to think Schlenk wants/needs to bring in Walton or Brown or some other stiff from the Warriors at some point. Seems to think CLP is only here to develop the guys then turn the keys over to one-a them non-Steve Kerr clowns.

It's offensive, honestly.

Highly offensive and unlikely...but I stand by it.

I'll gladly eat crow if 3 years go by, Lloyd is leading this team to the ECF on a new contract.

I've long figured that most of the people in place last summer won't still be here when we reach true contention. I think Lloyd falls within that. It'll be really interesting to see where Luke Walton goes in the future. If he gets another shot at Assistant Coach, does he go to New Orleans? Back to Golden State? Portland? San Antonio?

I'm begging you to stahhp. There are children around and they don't need to be subjected to such offensive language.

I'd expect more from a deacon.

[Jamaaliver]

I'm begging you to stahhp.

You lost me. But, Lloyd has been great. I have no complaints about him in this current role.

[High 5]

I understood the concerns that Pierce might be a stopgap when he was hired, but after the way he’s handled himself and the team I’m not sure why anyone would still feel that way. Other than simply being pessimistic.

[marco102]

You'd think so but ....

Our guy @jamalll seems to think Schlenk wants/needs to bring in Walton or Brown or some other stiff from the Warriors at some point. Seems to think CLP is only here to develop the guys then turn the keys over to one-a them non-Steve Kerr clowns.

It's offensive, honestly.

Highly offensive and unlikely...but I stand by it.

I'll gladly eat crow if 3 years go by, Lloyd is leading this team to the ECF on a new contract.


I've long figured that most of the people in place last summer won't still be here when we reach true contention. I think Lloyd falls within that. It'll be really interesting to see where Luke Walton goes in the future. If he gets another shot at Assistant Coach, does he go to New Orleans? Back to Golden State? Portland? San Antonio?

What has Luke Walton done to show that he's even a better coach than Lloyd Pierce? I'm just not seeing this Jamaal.

[Jamaaliver]

You lost me. But, Lloyd has been great. I have no complaints about him in this current role.

Luscious Lloyd has been great. He's exceeded my every expectation this season. He's the perfect coach for this young team and this phase of the rebuild.

ME BEING PESSIMISTIC...

[kg01]

You lost me. But, Lloyd has been great. I have no complaints about him in this current role.

Luscious Lloyd has been great. He's exceeded my every expectation this season. He's the perfect coach for this young team and this phase of the rebuild.

ME BEING PESSIMISTIC...

Uh, you "being pessimistic" is clutching your pearls about CLP not being the long-term option at coach.

Which, at this point, is plainly ridiculous and I think you know that. Sorry but you had to hear that.

[Jamaaliver]

Uh, you "being pessimistic" is clutching your pearls about CLP not being the long-term option at coach.

Which, at this point, is plainly ridiculous and I think you know that. Sorry but you had to hear that.

1. Keep that other guy at bay. I am not a fan.

2. Throughout NBA history, most teams that developed organically from a young unproven team to an older battle-tested contender had multiple coaches along the way.

Particularly in the last 30 years. Think about it:

• Doug Collins helped usher the Bulls from young and hungry to playoff squad. Phil Jackson made them champions.
• Del Harris helped mold the Lakers in the early Shaq/Kobe days into a playoff team, Phil Jackson made them contenders.
• Mark Jackson helped usher the Warriors from young lottery squad to consistent postseason team. Steve Kerr made them Champions.
• Stan Van Gundy helped galvanize a young Heat team in Miami, but Pat Riley made them champions (Shaq and Wade).
• Avery Johnson helped Dirk reach the Finals and earn MVP honors, Rick Carlisle came in to get the over the hump to be Champions

It kind of happens a lot for teams to have one guy do the early lifting and transition the squad from bad to good...only to see another guy step in to get them over the hump. (The obvious exception being Gregg Popovich.)

It's fine if you disagree. But it isn't as insane as you're making it out to be.

[kg01]

Uh, you "being pessimistic" is clutching your pearls about CLP not being the long-term option at coach.

Which, at this point, is plainly ridiculous and I think you know that. Sorry but you had to hear that.

1. Keep that other guy at bay. I am not a fan.

2. Throughout NBA history, most teams that developed organically from a young unproven team to an older battle-tested contender had multiple coaches along the way.

Particularly in the last 30 years. Think about it:

• Doug Collins helped usher the Bulls from young and hungry to playoff squad. Phil Jackson made them champions.
• Del Harris helped mold the Lakers in the early Shaq/Kobe days into a playoff team, Phil Jackson made them contenders.
• Mark Jackson helped usher the Warriors from young lottery squad to consistent postseason team. Steve Kerr made them Champions.
• Stan Van Gundy helped galvanize a young Heat team in Miami, but Pat Riley made them champions (Shaq and Wade).
• Avery Johnson helped Dirk reach the Finals and earn MVP honors, Rick Carlisle came in to get the over the hump to be Champions

It kind of happens a lot for teams to have one guy do the early lifting and transition the squad from bad to good...only to see another guy step in to get them over the hump. (The obvious exception being Gregg Popovich.)

It's fine if you disagree. But it isn't as insane as you're making it out to be.

Haha, what other guy? My other personality? Sorry, I don't tell him what to do.

The concept isn't new. The fear of it is what I'm railing against. Anything can happen. Shiii, if they're smart, PHI will come callin' after they (finally) realize their coach is terrible. That said, I'm not gonna worry about it at this point. Why do that to yourself, @jamaalo?

[High 5]

You lost me. But, Lloyd has been great. I have no complaints about him in this current role.

Luscious Lloyd has been great. He's exceeded my every expectation this season. He's the perfect coach for this young team and this phase of the rebuild.

ME BEING PESSIMISTIC...

"Pierce is great right now, but he's going to be replaced in a few years." How is that not being pessimistic? Why do you believe he's not capable of taking the team to contention?

[jayu70]

Pierce the coach, Pierce the Player!

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[Jamaaliver]

Why do you believe he's not capable of taking the team to contention?

It's not a reflection on Lloyd. Again, he's been great this season.

It's just the nature of the business.

Another relevant example is up in Philly. Brett Brown has led that team from being one of the worst rosters of all time to a top-3 seed for the second season in a row. He's been the only consistent aspect of 'The Process' from the start.

But if Brett Brown can't lead the 76ers to at least the ECF in the next 15 months, he's likely out of a job by 2020.

It comes with the territory. We saw it in Detroit when Rick Carlisle led Detroit to consecutive EC Finals. And then was let go in favor of Larry Brown. We saw it in Toronto where Duane Casey became the most successful coach in franchise history and then was shown the door.

Hell, we saw it with the Falcons where Mike Smith took the franchise from its lowest point of any era (Vick suspended, Petrino walking away) and led the team to the NFC Championship and 15 yards from making the Super Bowl. A couple of seasons later he was gone.

Coaches have the least job security of any profession in sports.

It's just the nature of the business.

[peoriabird]

Why are we talking about this now?