Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[jayu70]

Al is not a SuperStar - T'was never so and T'will never be.

Al is a superstar. Unquestionable one for me and those with similar perspective to me.

Only you Supes, ONLY you.

[Jamaaliver]

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[King Ken]

He's not opting out of $30mil to sign for a contract that would make sense for us at this time.

I could see him opting out but signing another max-type deal for some unsuspecting suitor just for the security of longterm contract. But that would be an overpay and would not make sense for us at this time. You don't (near)max-out roleplayers.

No, he is not s star or superstar. Stahhp, Supes

You are not thinking! Al makes perfect sense for us.

He covers all of our pain points.
He makes everyone around him better.
He will make Collins and Trae look like superstars next year.
He is PERFECT for us.
Worth every f$#*ng penny.
He is a superstar. I don't know how many times I got to tell you this.
I see impact as what's most important and there is no center in the NBA as impactful as Al.

That includes Jokic and Embiid.

Talent is great, impact is vital.
He does more for winning than any other big not named AD when motivated.

He took a team with a 2nd year player, a rookie, a center worse than Dedmon, the worse Morris, and a Dennis level PG to one game of the NBA Finals.

Took the least damn talented team in the NBA to 60 wins and took a 5'7 PG to the ECF. This man is a **** myth. Bring him the **** back!

All his teams are sum-of-the-parts winners. You can't overly credit him for the results. If that 5'7" pg wasn't having an mvp-caliber year, doesn't matter what Al did/didn't do.

I don't disagree that he's the type of player that would elevate what we've got going on. However, NBA economics don't dictate that it's advisable for us to pay him what it would take to get him to opt out of that $30mil.

That's the logic HOU used to sign Paul which is turning out to be a spectacular blunder. That team doesn't even need him yet they're on the hook for that albatross of a contract.

Sum of parts only works due to him.

That's the part you don't understand. They win due to Al. Without Al, they don't win.

**** the economics! You want economics. Who the **** can make our core pieces into stars or superstars while covering their flaws? Just one player, that is Al Horford unless you think AD or Leonard is coming which I don't and know not happening.

I'll rather pay 30 million to Horford and have Trae and Collins perform on an All NBA level. That's the biggest no brainer of all time.

30 million is only as good as the impact and value the said player is providing. If Al makes these other guys elite. What the **** do I care if he is overpay. He is doing the damn job we paid him for. Make the youngin GREAT!. Make Cam Reddish the next star. Make Kevin the next star. Win a lot of games with a bunch of kids who are still suppose to be in college. That's what I want. A dynasty. **** I look like wanting a slow **** process that might never work when there is an option to win now without rushing the kids on some LeBron bad fit ****.

[macd-gm]

Can we all just agree that Horford is NOT coming back to Atlanta whether we want him to or not? I don't see the point of discussing it when it's as close to an impossibility as you could get.

[kg01]

You are not thinking! Al makes perfect sense for us.

He covers all of our pain points.
He makes everyone around him better.
He will make Collins and Trae look like superstars next year.
He is PERFECT for us.
Worth every f$#*ng penny.
He is a superstar. I don't know how many times I got to tell you this.
I see impact as what's most important and there is no center in the NBA as impactful as Al.

That includes Jokic and Embiid.

Talent is great, impact is vital.
He does more for winning than any other big not named AD when motivated.

He took a team with a 2nd year player, a rookie, a center worse than Dedmon, the worse Morris, and a Dennis level PG to one game of the NBA Finals.

Took the least damn talented team in the NBA to 60 wins and took a 5'7 PG to the ECF. This man is a **** myth. Bring him the **** back!

All his teams are sum-of-the-parts winners. You can't overly credit him for the results. If that 5'7" pg wasn't having an mvp-caliber year, doesn't matter what Al did/didn't do.

I don't disagree that he's the type of player that would elevate what we've got going on. However, NBA economics don't dictate that it's advisable for us to pay him what it would take to get him to opt out of that $30mil.

That's the logic HOU used to sign Paul which is turning out to be a spectacular blunder. That team doesn't even need him yet they're on the hook for that albatross of a contract.

Sum of parts only works due to him.

That's the part you don't understand. They win due to Al. Without Al, they don't win.

**** the economics! You want economics. Who the **** can make our core pieces into stars or superstars while covering their flaws? Just one player, that is Al Horford unless you think AD or Leonard is coming which I don't and know not happening.

I'll rather pay 30 million to Horford and have Trae and Collins perform on an All NBA level. That's the biggest no brainer of all time.

30 million is only as good as the impact and value the said player is providing. If Al makes these other guys elite. What the **** do I care if he is overpay. He is doing the damn job we paid him for. Make the youngin GREAT!. Make Cam Reddish the next star. Make Kevin the next star. Win a lot of games with a bunch of kids who are still suppose to be in college. That's what I want. A dynasty. **** I look like wanting a slow **** process that might never work when there is an option to win now without rushing the kids on some LeBron bad fit ****.

If they're stars, they'll be stars with Al at C or with Ricky Bobby at C.

[King Ken]

All his teams are sum-of-the-parts winners. You can't overly credit him for the results. If that 5'7" pg wasn't having an mvp-caliber year, doesn't matter what Al did/didn't do.

I don't disagree that he's the type of player that would elevate what we've got going on. However, NBA economics don't dictate that it's advisable for us to pay him what it would take to get him to opt out of that $30mil.

That's the logic HOU used to sign Paul which is turning out to be a spectacular blunder. That team doesn't even need him yet they're on the hook for that albatross of a contract.

Sum of parts only works due to him.

That's the part you don't understand. They win due to Al. Without Al, they don't win.

**** the economics! You want economics. Who the **** can make our core pieces into stars or superstars while covering their flaws? Just one player, that is Al Horford unless you think AD or Leonard is coming which I don't and know not happening.

I'll rather pay 30 million to Horford and have Trae and Collins perform on an All NBA level. That's the biggest no brainer of all time.

30 million is only as good as the impact and value the said player is providing. If Al makes these other guys elite. What the **** do I care if he is overpay. He is doing the damn job we paid him for. Make the youngin GREAT!. Make Cam Reddish the next star. Make Kevin the next star. Win a lot of games with a bunch of kids who are still suppose to be in college. That's what I want. A dynasty. **** I look like wanting a slow **** process that might never work when there is an option to win now without rushing the kids on some LeBron bad fit ****.

If they're stars, they'll be stars with Al at C or with Ricky Bobby at C.

They are flawed. It will take years for them to be true superstars. 2 more years away at least on normal development trends. I do think they will have an outside chance at the AS game just due to being in the east and we will be much better due to natural progression.

Now, you add Al, they will be much better due to being covered and protected. So you add their natural progression plus this. You are talking All Stars and for Trae, maybe even a starter. You are basically giving Trae a massive leap in a year he was already naturally going to make a massive leap. That's superstar status.

You underrate Al because you really don't understand his impact and value.

[Jamaaliver]

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[jayu70]

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[jayu70]

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[saloonyk8]

Taurean Prince, John Collins and Mavs pick for gobert

That's my dream if we get Zion

[King Ken]

Taurean Prince, John Collins and Mavs pick for gobert

That's my dream if we get Zion

That first trade is bad bad.

I much rather just play John and Zion together. On an elite end Ben Wallace/Rasheed Wallace mix.

[saloonyk8]

Collins trade value is high right now. You can't win championships with zero defense from multiple spots

[King Ken]

Collins trade value is high right now. You can't win championships with zero defense from multiple spots

Collins is giving you some defensive value as is Trae. They aren't Jamal Crawford or Jabari Parker. They just need a quality defensive supporting cast. We know Kevin is a great fit but we need two more.

[Jamaaliver]

Taurean Prince, John Collins and Mavs pick for gobert

That's my dream if we get Zion

Collins trade value is high right now. You can't win championships with zero defense from multiple spots

This is the hard truth Hawks fans aren't yet ready to acknowledge.

I'm open to one day moving Collins for a more defense oriented big man; but I believe it's too soon to trade him, and I'm not in love with Gobert.



But the hard truth is, you aren't that far off.

[jayu70]

Collins trade value is high right now. You can't win championships with zero defense from multiple spots

I view Gobert as a win now piece for a team that's in the race for a playoff spot. That's not the Hawks.
Ideally, I would prefer to pair Collins and Gobert in the front court.

Based on current standing::

Scenario 1:
Trae, Huerter, Prince, Collins, #5 pick, Dallas pick

Scenaro 2:
Trae, Huerter, Gobert and #5 pick.

I'd take Scenario #1, and hope to find some defense from the #5 and Dallas pick.

[Jamaaliver]

Ideally, I would prefer to pair Collins and Gobert in the front court.

Sadly, the lack of shooting in halfcourt sets would be eaten alive in the playoffs.

If our offense is sub par with an above avg 3-pt shooting center like Dedmon, it'd only be worse with two lane-clogging bigs.


Also, Gobert can't defend elite scoring wing players. Mitigating his value in the playoffs.

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[King Ken]

The bigs we need with Collins aren't the paint protectors. He isn't that bad at that part of the game. He needs guys who defend in space at an elite level and protect everyone on the court.

Draymond Green
Al Horford are the first guys who come to mind.

[Jamaaliver]