Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[saloonyk8]

The bigs we need with Collins aren't the paint protectors. He isn't that bad at that part of the game. He needs guys who defend in space at an elite level and protect everyone on the court.

Draymond Green
Al Horford are the first guys who come to mind.

They're on a different time frame in their 30s. I think gobert best Young defensive center

[saloonyk8]

Taurean Prince, John Collins and Mavs pick for gobert

That's my dream if we get Zion

Collins trade value is high right now. You can't win championships with zero defense from multiple spots

This is the hard truth Hawks fans aren't yet ready to acknowledge.

I'm open to one day moving Collins for a more defense oriented big man; but I believe it's too soon to trade him, and I'm not in love with Gobert.



But the hard truth is, you aren't that far off.

I very much acknowledge that we will be lucky to have ONE top 20 player on this current roster in a couple of years (Young). I don't see Collins, Huerter, or Prince being in that class. To be that means anything should be traded until we acquire more top 20 player candidates.

IMO Collins trade value is high so if you get someone then you do it. I'm not tossing him for nothing, Gobert is likely DPOY and 26 years old, and Jazz won't trade him for cheap

[Spud2nique]

NCBE (no cry babies ever) I’m good on Gobert.

Watch on YouTube

[Spud2nique]

I take that back...I like Gobert as a person, he seems to be a good guy.

[Jamaaliver]

I very much acknowledge that we will be lucky to have ONE top 20 player on this current roster in a couple of years (Young). I don't see Collins, Huerter, or Prince being in that class. To be that means anything should be traded until we acquire more top 20 player candidates.

IMO Collins trade value is high so if you get someone then you do it. I'm not tossing him for nothing, Gobert is likely DPOY and 26 years old, and Jazz won't trade him for cheap

I don't agree with all of this.

But you're not too far off.

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[King Ken]

The bigs we need with Collins aren't the paint protectors. He isn't that bad at that part of the game. He needs guys who defend in space at an elite level and protect everyone on the court.

Draymond Green
Al Horford are the first guys who come to mind.

They're on a different time frame in their 30s. I think gobert best Young defensive center

Time frame matters less to me. We have enough assets to draft the center of the future and develop him into something great down the line while playing plays who can help Trae, Kevin and Collins now

[King Ken]

Taurean Prince, John Collins and Mavs pick for gobert

That's my dream if we get Zion

Collins trade value is high right now. You can't win championships with zero defense from multiple spots

This is the hard truth Hawks fans aren't yet ready to acknowledge.

I'm open to one day moving Collins for a more defense oriented big man; but I believe it's too soon to trade him, and I'm not in love with Gobert.



But the hard truth is, you aren't that far off.

I very much acknowledge that we will be lucky to have ONE top 20 player on this current roster in a couple of years (Young). I don't see Collins, Huerter, or Prince being in that class. To be that means anything should be traded until we acquire more top 20 player candidates.

IMO Collins trade value is high so if you get someone then you do it. I'm not tossing him for nothing, Gobert is likely DPOY and 26 years old, and Jazz won't trade him for cheap

Collins has top 20 potential. We just need the players around him to protect him on D.

[Spud2nique]

The bigs we need with Collins aren't the paint protectors. He isn't that bad at that part of the game. He needs guys who defend in space at an elite level and protect everyone on the court.

Draymond Green
Al Horford are the first guys who come to mind.

They're on a different time frame in their 30s. I think gobert best Young defensive center

Time frame matters less to me. We have enough assets to draft the center of the future and develop him into something great down the line while playing plays who can help Trae, Kevin and Collins now

Time frame should matter regardless of the amount of assets we have in the bank.

[saloonyk8]

They're on a different time frame in their 30s. I think gobert best Young defensive center

Time frame matters less to me. We have enough assets to draft the center of the future and develop him into something great down the line while playing plays who can help Trae, Kevin and Collins now

Time frame should matter regardless of the amount of assets we have in the bank.

I meant in terms of age. It doesnt make sense to have a center solution that's 32 years old and 2-3 players that are 22 years old as the core on the team. That's why I think Butler on Philly is bizarre, just my opinion.

[saloonyk8]

This is the hard truth Hawks fans aren't yet ready to acknowledge.

I'm open to one day moving Collins for a more defense oriented big man; but I believe it's too soon to trade him, and I'm not in love with Gobert.



But the hard truth is, you aren't that far off.

I very much acknowledge that we will be lucky to have ONE top 20 player on this current roster in a couple of years (Young). I don't see Collins, Huerter, or Prince being in that class. To be that means anything should be traded until we acquire more top 20 player candidates.

IMO Collins trade value is high so if you get someone then you do it. I'm not tossing him for nothing, Gobert is likely DPOY and 26 years old, and Jazz won't trade him for cheap

Collins has top 20 potential. We just need the players around him to protect him on D.

IMO there's no way Collins can be in top 20. Just look at the top 20 list, very few players are one way players. Collins doesn't really create his own shot and provides no value defensively. He's basically Amare best case scenario, which isn't BAD, it just isn't a building block for a championship team....now if you want a building block for a eastern conference playoff team that's a different discussion.

[saloonyk8]

Also don't forget guys like Collins will get the max even if learns no more defense or can create his shot. The question is how many guys like that can you have on your team? You just end up like the Hawks were before or the Pistons or Magic are now. Basically making the playoffs when things go well and never having a chance at a championship. Drummond and A Gordon should've been traded years ago for a chance at REAL difference makers

[Jamaaliver]

^Saloony, you're spot on, man.

That really puts things in perspective.

No one else here is ready to see it yet. Expect A LOT of pushback. But this is really insightful stuff.

[observer1995]

I’ve got news, but even though I expect the team to be too good to really tank going forward after 2019, we’re not at the point where any first-round picks or players outside of Taurean Prince should be traded IMO. There’s no Billy King there but as much as I hate Boston sports, the best stance to take is gathering assets before striking. Indiana did it too to a lesser extent (although nobody expected Victor Oladipo to really break out like he did), although it was because George wanted out.

Collins and Zion would be unlikely to work but in the complete fantasyland that Atlanta actually draws the #1 pick (as I KNOW that nobody will be trading for #1 in 2019, that’s going to be impossible without an idiotic offer given Zion’s hype, which yes, it’s warranted but still), you play them together to see FIRST. Then you make your moves.

You can potentially build with Collins as your 4 man but the 5 is going to have to be a guy that can defend in space. That’s not a problem, he’s a bonafide, legit starting PF.

[saloonyk8]

I’ve got news, but even though I expect the team to be too good to really tank going forward after 2019, we’re not at the point where any first-round picks or players outside of Taurean Prince should be traded IMO. There’s no Billy King there but as much as I hate Boston sports, the best stance to take is gathering assets before striking. Indiana did it too to a lesser extent (although nobody expected Victor Oladipo to really break out like he did), although it was because George wanted out.

Collins and Zion would be unlikely to work but in the complete fantasyland that Atlanta actually draws the #1 pick (as I KNOW that nobody will be trading for #1 in 2019, that’s going to be impossible without an idiotic offer given Zion’s hype, which yes, it’s warranted but still), you play them together to see FIRST. Then you make your moves.

You can potentially build with Collins as your 4 man but the 5 is going to have to be a guy that can defend in space. That’s not a problem, he’s a bonafide, legit starting PF.

I don't disagree. You can always play them together and see what happens. My point is just are you trying to make a nice playoff team or a championship team. IF Collins becomes Amare (which has to be best case scenario), can he be the second best player on a ship team? Definitely not. What about third best, ok that's a maybe. And then who are the two players better than him, maybe we have Young on the roster, there's no one else that's a stud that's for sure. Gotta nail this draft and more.

We can just wait and be loyal to Collins then give him the max or trade him when his value is very clear in 1-2 years, that's what teams always do. Then we'll be happy to be in playoffs where we can get bounced in the first or second round for another 4-5 years before we do this again.

[saloonyk8]

In my Ballview, it's all about acquiring multiple top 20 players on a rebuild.

[Spud2nique]

I very much acknowledge that we will be lucky to have ONE top 20 player on this current roster in a couple of years (Young). I don't see Collins, Huerter, or Prince being in that class. To be that means anything should be traded until we acquire more top 20 player candidates.

IMO Collins trade value is high so if you get someone then you do it. I'm not tossing him for nothing, Gobert is likely DPOY and 26 years old, and Jazz won't trade him for cheap

I don't agree with all of this.

But you're not too far off.

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Yeaaa if jamaal agreed with you then you’d be spot on?



Wow...

[Spud2nique]

I’ve got news, but even though I expect the team to be too good to really tank going forward after 2019, we’re not at the point where any first-round picks or players outside of Taurean Prince should be traded IMO. There’s no Billy King there but as much as I hate Boston sports, the best stance to take is gathering assets before striking. Indiana did it too to a lesser extent (although nobody expected Victor Oladipo to really break out like he did), although it was because George wanted out.

Collins and Zion would be unlikely to work but in the complete fantasyland that Atlanta actually draws the #1 pick (as I KNOW that nobody will be trading for #1 in 2019, that’s going to be impossible without an idiotic offer given Zion’s hype, which yes, it’s warranted but still), you play them together to see FIRST. Then you make your moves.

You can potentially build with Collins as your 4 man but the 5 is going to have to be a guy that can defend in space. That’s not a problem, he’s a bonafide, legit starting PF.

I don't disagree. You can always play them together and see what happens. My point is just are you trying to make a nice playoff team or a championship team. IF Collins becomes Amare (which has to be best case scenario), can he be the second best player on a ship team? Definitely not. What about third best, ok that's a maybe. And then who are the two players better than him, maybe we have Young on the roster, there's no one else that's a stud that's for sure. Gotta nail this draft and more.

We can just wait and be loyal to Collins then give him the max or trade him when his value is very clear in 1-2 years, that's what teams always do. Then we'll be happy to be in playoffs where we can get bounced in the first or second round for another 4-5 years before we do this again.

Why are you coming over here and putting a ceiling on Collins? Who says he can’t be a 2nd a 3rd option on a championship team? Do you watch many Hawk games? Have you seen him develop from last year to this year?

Jamaal might love your insight but I’m not so sure. I think perhaps watch more Hawk games...

[saloonyk8]

Lol I hope I'm wrong and Collins and Young is better than Amar'e & Nash and we will a title, but this is the trade thread and I was exploring the idea of trading Collins. Would love to get Zion and have this problem

[King Ken]

Mark me down as someone that's not okay with trading Collins. We need to build around him and Trae, not trade Collins. He is an elite movement player who could possibly be a 45% 3PT and 80% FT with 60 FG%. Trading him will be a mistake. But I agree, getting the right big to play next to him is critical for both short term and long term. Just like we have to upgrade TP due to being a poor fit with Trae and Collins long term even if short term, it's not that bad but if we want to contend, we gotta change things up.

[High 5]

Having Trae and Collins in the conversation with Nash and Amare would be amazing. That's nothing to be disappointed about. They were able to go deep into that Western Conference bloodbath and may have won a championship with a little better luck. We have valuable draft picks and cap space to find that 3rd All Star player to potentially put us over the top.