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macd-gm · Post #581 » by **macd-gm** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 8:09 pm

Spud2nique wrote:
MaceCase wrote:Ya’ll worry too much, he’s just reorganizing his folders on all of you to make room for the newbies.

Are we sure he isn’t in search of that Wendell draft robe? Comon Brad it’s all love here!

kg01 · Post #582 » by **kg01** » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:24 pm

I just want to say, for the record, f*k the Marlins. F*k Kirt Gibson and F*k that pitcher, Urea.

And f*k the FS1 baseball show host that said Acuna was to blame because he put his elbow in the way. Really?

Post #583 » by **HMFFL** » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:04 pm

kg01 wrote:I just want to say, for the record, f*k the Marlins. F*k Kirt Gibson and F*k that pitcher, Urea.

And f*k the FS1 baseball show host that said Acuna was to blame because he put his elbow in the way. Really?

Wow, the host of the show blamed Acuna? Is there a YouTube clip of it?

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macd-gm · Post #584 » by **macd-gm** » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:27 pm

kg01 wrote:I just want to say, for the record, f*k the Marlins. F*k Kirt Gibson and F*k that pitcher, Urea.

And f*k the FS1 baseball show host that said Acuna was to blame because he put his elbow in the way. Really?

6 game suspension? That's bull. I can't remember seeing a more egregious beaning. There have been ugly ones but always in retaliation for something. This was just a punk move.

Spud2nique · Post #585 » by **Spud2nique** » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:01 pm

macd-gm wrote:
kg01 wrote:I just want to say, for the record, f*k the Marlins. F*k Kirt Gibson and F*k that pitcher, Urea.

And f*k the FS1 baseball show host that said Acuna was to blame because he put his elbow in the way. Really?

6 game suspension? That's bull. I can't remember seeing a more egregious beaning. There have been ugly ones but always in retaliation for something. This was just a punk move.

I almost attacked my TV set ...smh still mad about it.

Post #586 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:10 pm

i AM A BIG fan of this young lady...for a number of reasons:

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kg01 · Post #587 » by **kg01** » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:40 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:i AM A BIG fan of this young lady...for a number of reasons:

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You know why you like this young lady.

For me, this is a 'right' discussion but being made in the wrong arena. Everything she's complaining about is collectively bargained for. Her beef isn't with the 'system' or with BSPN, it's with her union. I think it's disingenuous for WNBA players to complain about what they're paid. If they garnered the same attention/dollars as NBA players, they'd get paid commensurate with that. The fact that the sport of women's ball hasn't grown much in this country is because it's just not that appealing. It's not because BSPN shows Lebron poop-sessions instead of WNBA highlights. Sure, it doesn't help but it's not the reason.

Trust me when I say I'm tremendously 'woke' when it comes to women's issues but this one just feels like WNBA players sensing the wind blowing in a certain direction then flying their kite accordingly. For me, the only sports-related gender pay gap issue is in tennis where the men still get paid more although the women actually drive that sport. That's just plain wrong because the numbers back the women's argument. The WNBA's don't appear to.

I'm open to doing more research on it but that's where I stand as of right now.

macd-gm · Post #588 » by **macd-gm** » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:12 pm

There was a time when the nba championship wasn't even broadcast live. I think media attention would help. It's TV more than anything that drives all sports. WNBA has gotten really good. The marketing needs to catch up. It's a chicken and the egg thing but i think a lot of people start to care about a sport when it's talked about on sports shows.

It's no secret that the NBA decided to market the stars of the league really hard and they still think that is their key to success but I don't see that happening with WNBA.

my 2 cents.

MaceCase · Post #589 » by **MaceCase** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:36 am

Don't know enough about the WNBA's business structure but I'm pretty confident that the NBA foots a significant portion of their operating costs. Don't know if that ~20% of revenue is due to a toothless union or if the majority of the remainder is being used to offset the investment by the NBA.

On the face the league is highly dependent on the NBA being too worried about a PR nightmare to fold it but it's a shame that it hasn't caught on similar to the MLS which is pretty much the exact same age.

macd-gm · Post #590 » by **macd-gm** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:20 pm

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidberri/2018/07/22/the-wnba-or-the-nba-should-pay-the-wnba-players-more/#42cab3140fe1

This article goes into a lot of details but one of the big points is that in the NBA supposedly half the teams are losing money every year but no one makes the case that player salaries should be lower in the NBA.

kg01 · Post #591 » by **kg01** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:33 pm

macd-gm wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidberri/2018/07/22/the-wnba-or-the-nba-should-pay-the-wnba-players-more/#42cab3140fe1

This article goes into a lot of details but one of the big points is that in the NBA supposedly half the teams are losing money every year but no one makes the case that player salaries should be lower in the NBA.

A mild brush with accounting has taught me that companies like NBA franchises should put losing money in quotes as that is more of a strategic thing than a 'oh crap we're losing money me might have-ta shut tha doors' thing.

It's why I hate when owners cry poor that way. They're as 'poor' as they wanna look.

MaceCase · Post #592 » by **MaceCase** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:06 pm

kg01 wrote:
macd-gm wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidberri/2018/07/22/the-wnba-or-the-nba-should-pay-the-wnba-players-more/#42cab3140fe1

This article goes into a lot of details but one of the big points is that in the NBA supposedly half the teams are losing money every year but no one makes the case that player salaries should be lower in the NBA.

A mild brush with accounting has taught me that companies like NBA franchises should put losing money in quotes as that is more of a strategic thing than a 'oh crap we're losing money me might have-ta shut tha doors' thing.

It's why I hate when owners cry poor that way. They're as 'poor' as they wanna look.

Also the NBA is a cartel, any reported paper losses by individual teams doesn't account for the massive amount of revenue and equity that the league gains on a yearly basis. That and yes, owners will claim they took a $10 million dollar operating "loss" while concurrently seeing a 30% rise in franchise evaluation. That's 30% of a billion, folks.

And yea, I claimed ignorance over the WNBA's business structure but if FORBES doesn't know much either and is instead doing napkin math and making assumptions then either something insidious is going on or we really don't know enough to form an opinion on either side.

kg01 · Post #593 » by **kg01** » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:45 pm

MaceCase wrote:
kg01 wrote:
macd-gm wrote:https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidberri/2018/07/22/the-wnba-or-the-nba-should-pay-the-wnba-players-more/#42cab3140fe1

This article goes into a lot of details but one of the big points is that in the NBA supposedly half the teams are losing money every year but no one makes the case that player salaries should be lower in the NBA.

A mild brush with accounting has taught me that companies like NBA franchises should put losing money in quotes as that is more of a strategic thing than a 'oh crap we're losing money me might have-ta shut tha doors' thing.

It's why I hate when owners cry poor that way. They're as 'poor' as they wanna look.

Also the NBA is a cartel, any reported paper losses by individual teams doesn't account for the massive amount of revenue and equity that the league gains on a yearly basis. That and yes, owners will claim they took a $10 million dollar operating "loss" while concurrently seeing a 30% rise in franchise evaluation. That's 30% of a billion, folks.

And yea, I claimed ignorance over the WNBA's business structure but if FORBES doesn't know much either and is instead doing napkin math and making assumptions then either something insidious is going on or we really don't know enough to form an opinion on either side.

The bolded is salient although I choose to side against the "woe is me" owners.

Funny the tactic seems to be biting them here as they are probably saying stte, "How could we possibly pay WNBAers more, they lose us money." Now the WNBAers are saying, "Wait, if you're losing money, how can you run the NBA with all them amenities you withhold from us?"

Post #594 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:48 pm

I'm amazed than an individual this inept could have mind-boggling levels of success [however fleeting] simply because he speaks loudly and brashly -- and because his sons are good at dribbling a ball. Everything Lavar touches turns to ash.

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LaVar Ball, sons tried to 'destroy' Lithuanian team, coach says

It didn't take long for LaVar Ball and his sons LiAngelo and LaMelo to wear out their welcome in Lithuania, sending their team on what was described as a "rollercoaster ride" that ended in controversy.

Seskus said the Ball brothers' talent was "nowhere near the level of the LKL (Lithuanian league), let alone the NBA."

Even more damning, "they had no inner drive to become better," he said.

As things deteriorated, Seskus said the Ball family "started destroying the club, not paying out prize money to the Big Baller Brand tournament winners, etc."

In addition, the team said Ball withdrew his financial support and took back shooting machines that were presented to the team as gifts.

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macd-gm · Post #595 » by **macd-gm** » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:22 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I'm amazed than an individual this inept could have mind-boggling levels of success [however fleeting] simply because he speaks loudly and brashly

Totally thought you were talking about someone else.

Post #596 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:20 pm

macd-gm wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:I'm amazed than an individual this inept could have mind-boggling levels of success [however fleeting] simply because he speaks loudly and brashly

Totally thought you were talking about someone else.

I have a pretty good idea who you're thinking of...

And it certainly applies to both.

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Post #597 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:22 pm

Glad to see endeavours like this by Jeremy.

On a personal note, I saw the movie with the family this weekend...I loved it. Great movie. Great fun.

I'm looking forward to the sequels. :nod:

If any of our Asian American counterparts want to point out some inside jokes that I likely missed...I'd be glad to hear them. (i.e. are most Asians lactose intolerant? Did Rachel lose the Mahjong game on purpose?)

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Post #598 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:34 pm

The CEO of the Athletic is not messing around:

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kg01 · Post #599 » by **kg01** » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:55 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:The CEO of the Athletic is not messing around:

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His schtick is a little much. It's bad karma to root for the death of an industry like that. It's not like he can afford to hire all the guys/gals who shake loose when papers die.

There will be a lot of good, hard-working folks out of jobs and he's beating his chest about it? Stay tuned, karma is coming for you.

Post #600 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:32 pm

kg01 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:The CEO of the Athletic is not messing around:

His schtick is a little much. It's bad karma to root for the death of an industry like that. It's not like he can afford to hire all the guys/gals who shake loose when papers die.

There will be a lot of good, hard-working folks out of jobs and he's beating his chest about it? Stay tuned, karma is coming for you.

I agree his statement is a bit much, and there are lot of people being displaced as papers struggle.

But it's kinda the market place at this point. I'd hope most of these sportswriters are already adjusting to the new reality and embracing the opportunities arising from it.

If you're a well known sports personality writer in a major market, you probably should have a local radio show, a publishing deal, a contract to occasionally appear on ESPN or Fox Sports 1 plus a podcast to help provide some financial stability.

There are more fans and more opportunities to provide content -- whether it's for The Athletic or another similar venture.

The market is unforgiving. And newspapers were slow to adapt to the changing ways people consume content.

But the guy from The Athletic probably is asking to for a good ol' fashioned punch in the face from some of the old newspaper guys.

^Man, that horse is an amazing actor!!!