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Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#1 » by Jamaaliver » Thu May 7, 2020 2:14 am

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Obi Toppin, PF, Dayton | Sophomore

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: 6’9” | Weight: 220 | Age: 22 | Last Rank: 10

Typically, 22-year-old prospects don’t get much benefit of the doubt in the lottery. But in a down draft, Toppin has positioned himself to buck the trend after a prolific season at Dayton. Keeping perspective here is important—he’s a gifted offensive player, and a lot of what he does should translate, but he also dominated in a league where few teams could effectively counter his athleticism or take advantage of his weaknesses defensively. Toppin needs to add lower body strength and doesn’t move all that well laterally right now, both of which will have to improve for him to keep doing what he’s doing against NBA bodies. He might be best off playing alongside another big, rather than at center, where teams will attack him in space. But it‘s hard to bash a guy who made 70% on two-point attempts, dunks everything, and has range out to the three-point line. Lottery teams with an immediate need up front will have to consider him early.
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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#2 » by Jamaaliver » Thu May 7, 2020 2:24 am

OBI TOPPIN
Big, Dayton, redshirt sophomore

Pure athlete who runs the floor with grace and jumps with explosive power.
Shades Of: Amar’e Stoudemire (on offense), Jahlil Okafor (on defense)

Age------------------------22.1
Wingspan-----------------6'11''
Height---------------------6'9''
Weight--------------------220


PLUSES
  • Glides through the air for ferocious dunks; he’s a major threat in the pick-and-roll, cutting, and running the break. He also possesses a soft touch with either hand around the rim.
  • Nimble ball handler who can attack from the perimeter; he’ll be a weapon in fake dribble handoffs since he can facilitate, shoot, or get to the basket.
  • Good shooter from NBA 3-point range, but he hasn’t fallen in love with his shot like many modern bigs.
  • Strong playmaker. He makes quick decisions out of the short roll and could develop into a playmaking hub from the post.
  • Has the leaping ability and quickness to theoretically be an effective shot blocker.

MINUSES
  • Brutal pick-and-roll defender who displays little recognition or feel for reading a screen; he’s almost always out of position.
  • High center of gravity limits his defensive ability in the post. He’ll often get pushed around for low-post positioning—Zion would bury him under the rim.
  • Doesn’t change directions well laterally; he has tight hips, which means NBA offenses will attack him relentlessly one-on-one.
  • Poor help defender and rebounder who doesn’t play with great awareness or effort.
  • Lacks an arsenal of low-post scoring moves and is raw shooting off the dribble.
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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#3 » by HMFFL » Thu May 7, 2020 3:56 am

Him and his family made it well known they want to be Golden State Warriors..lol
He seems to be the most polished guy to take top 4.

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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#4 » by atlantabbq99 » Thu May 7, 2020 12:32 pm

I'm not a fan but you can't deny his productivity and athleticism. His age is a big red flat. I don't want the Hawks to draft him, but if the Hawks don't want to pay John Collins after next year, then Obi could be a good move financially. If that happens, I would want to see the Hawks trade Collins for another lottery pick before they draft Obi.

On another note, if the Hawks want to draft a PF/C, I have Jalen Smith ranked ahead of Obi. Jalen's number are better than Obi's numbers across the board and Smith is 2 years younger.
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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#5 » by Jamaaliver » Sat May 23, 2020 1:13 pm

This kid does feel like a Schlenk type of player. Adept at shooting, dribbling and passing. The same age as the rest of the core. Able to play both front court spots.


2020 NBA Draft prospects: Scouting reports, player comparisons for top 10 on updated Big Board

A look at this year's top-10 prospects, their skills, and who they compare to at the NBA level

6. Obi Toppin, Dayton

PF | 6-9 | 220


STRENGTHS
Dynamic athlete with incredible leaping ability; can impact the game playing above the rim (led college basketball in dunks last season)

Efficient shooter from inside the perimeter and effective from outside, too. He shot 41.7% from 3-point range during his time at Dayton.

Underrated passer and playmaker from his position who is quickly able to read defenses and make accurate passes when necessary

WEAKNESSES

Limited mobility moving laterally will hinder his ability to defend on the perimeter and switch onto more mobile wings and forwards

Explosive leaper, but physically he will have challenges matching up against bigger forwards in the post in the NBA

Average rebounder, especially for a player his size and at his position

PRO COMPARISON: Blake Griffin
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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#6 » by Jamaaliver » Sat May 23, 2020 2:03 pm

Sam Vecenie wrote:I see Toppin playing both the 4 and the 5 in his career, and the team that picks him should plan on utilizing him that way. And simply put, the biggest overlap here is with Love Collins...But I’m not sure it’ll stop them from picking the best player on the board for them, either.

Now, would I pick Toppin? I would not. If there’s one thing I can’t emphasize enough, Toppin has very real questions on the defensive front. Particularly, I’m worried about how he’s going to defend in space due to his hip flexibility (sliding defensively and staying in front often involves being able to quickly drop your hips and cutting off the driving angle). Then as a rim protector, Toppin just doesn’t have the length he needs to be able to be a primary guy at center on that end of the floor. He’s a bit too much of a tweener.

Still, I wouldn’t totally rule him out, if only because Toppin is an absolutely terrific offensive player and one who would only help the development of the guards in the backcourt due to the versatility of his game. He can play in ball-screens and dribble hand-offs due to his dexterity as a ball-handler and his unique body control for such an explosive athlete. He can be a monstrous roller to the rim who would require the constant attention of defenders due to his explosive leaping ability, or he could be a terrific pick-and-pop threat due to his quick release jumper and clean mechanics that allowed him to shoot 39 percent from 3 this year.
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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#7 » by Jamaaliver » Sat May 23, 2020 2:45 pm

2020 NBA Draft Big Board:

11. OBI TOPPIN, Big, Dayton

While it’s not always an indicator of professional success, there is something to be said for productivity in the college ranks. Obi Toppin was the National Player of the Year, despite playing for a small-scale school in Dayton. He transformed Dayton into a genuine title contender, which is no small accomplishment.

Toppin provides tremendous versatility on offense. He’s a bit of a tweener positionally, but he should have no trouble adjusting in the NBA. He can score in isolation, he can space the floor, and he’s one of the most explosive finishers in the draft. He can conform to whatever his team needs.

The main concern for Toppin is defense. He lacks a degree of lateral quickness, and has a tendency to chase turnovers, which leaves him compromised against quicker opponents. Even so, he’s not a zero on defense, and he should provide enough offensively to contribute right away in the NBA.
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13. Obi Toppin, Dayton: Forward, 6-foot-9, 22 years old

Toppin, the most prolific dunker in college basketball, is currently averaging 1.17 points per possession on offense. That ranks second-best among D-I players who have finished at least 400 possessions thus far, per Synergy. The high-volume finisher has helped Dayton make a case for being the most exciting team in college basketball this season. The bad news, however, is that Toppin likely can be played off the floor during big moments due to his poor defensive instincts. His pick-and-roll coverage is easy to criticize, and his measurable statistics when guarding opponents don't do him any favors, either. Despite that, his box plus-minus ranks as the best among all players at mid-major schools. For a big man, he projects as a solid role player and likely starter.
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Obi Toppin, Dayton

The redshirt sophomore loves to play above the rim and is a major pick-and-roll threat; he can also handle the rock and shoot as well. His weakness is on defense–just about everything to do with defense. He’s not a good individual defender, gets exposed in pick-and-rolls and doesn’t help his teammates very well either. He’ll need to work to improve on that end to become a complete player.
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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#8 » by Jamaaliver » Sat May 23, 2020 3:40 pm

2020 NBA Draft Big Board: Scouting Pros and Cons for Top 50 Players

7. Obi Toppin (Dayton, PF, Sophomore)

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Pros
College basketball's Player of the Year, Obi Toppin has drawn praise from NBA teams who buy his athleticism around the basket, scoring skills in the post and expanding shooting range.

He led the nation in dunks and shot 76.7 percent around the rim. Overpowering with his back to the basket, Toppin also became a threat from behind the arc, hitting 32 threes at a 39.0 percent clip.

Along with his inside-out scoring, he routinely delivered slick passes that should continue to be a part of his game.

Cons
Already 22 years old, Toppin is the age of most seniors.

He left a lot to be desired on defense, where his effort, reaction time and perimeter foot speed were often exposed. His 14.5 rebounding percentage and 4.1 block percentage were low for a player with his size and athletic gifts playing in the Atlantic 10.

Offensively, Toppin relied a lot on his physical tools inside the arc. His delivery trying to create facing up was choppy and unlikely to work early on in the NBA.
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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#9 » by Spud2nique » Sun May 24, 2020 4:25 am

We already have a better version of Obi in JC. Might be redundant.

Okongwu >Obi
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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#10 » by shakes0 » Tue May 26, 2020 1:39 pm

Spud2nique wrote:We already have a better version of Obi in JC. Might be redundant.

Okongwu >Obi



the team is pretty awful when we're missing JC so in a weak draft is it really such a bad idea to get another version of him?


If he's BPA i say take him!
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Post#11 » by Spud2nique » Tue May 26, 2020 5:05 pm

shakes0 wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:We already have a better version of Obi in JC. Might be redundant.

Okongwu >Obi



the team is pretty awful when we're missing JC so in a weak draft is it really such a bad idea to get another version of him?


If he's BPA i say take him!


Oh no doubt. If he’s the BPA, for sure, you could do a lot worse. I like Toppin a lot actually, I guess when I stack him up against Okongwu, I just like Gwu a bit better from a defensive standpoint. It’s hard to predict though I can see Toppin doing really well.
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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#12 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:12 pm

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Warriors' five best win-now fits among 2020 NBA Draft prospects

No. 1: SF/PF Obi Toppin, Dayton

Just about every Warriors fan who has done some digging into this year's draft class knows Toppin's name. The forward won both the Wooden and Naismith awards in 2019-20, which are each given to the nation's top collegiate player. Behind the Dayton product, the Flyers were one of the top teams in the country this past season and he offers a rare skillset for a 6-foot-9 player.

Toppin's eye-popping 68.4 true shooting percentage shows his efficiency at all levels of the offense, and the forward would be an ideal second-unit player who could spell either Andrew Wiggins or Draymond Green late in a playoff game. Not to mention, Toppin's parents have said they would like to see him play for Steve Kerr and the Warriors in the NBA. Sounds like a great fit to me.
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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#13 » by CP War Hawks » Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:29 pm

My issues with Toppin are height and his hip flexibility. i suspect he's between 6-7 to 6-8 w/o shoes. A mannequin has looser hips. I just hate his defensive fit but his finishing ability I'd describe as Collins esque with a bit more diversity.
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Re: Prospect Spotlight -- Obi Toppin 

Post#14 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:59 pm

Obi Toppin PF
Dayton • Soph • 6'9" / 220 lbs

PPG: 20.0
RPG: 7.5
APG: 2.2
3P FG% -- 39%

Obi Toppin is a former zero-star recruit who earned CBS Sports National Player of the Year honors after averaging 20.0 points and 7.5 rebounds while shooting 63.3% from the field and 39.0% from 3-point range this past season. He's a super-athletic forward who dunks everything — he actually led the nation in dunks — and consistently makes jumpers in pick-and-pop situations. Yes, the fact that he's already 22 years old is an issue worth taking into account. But it will not — or, at least, it should not — overshadow the idea that Toppin has a chance to be the most impactful player selected in this draft.
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