Rondo at the end of games...

[wigglestrue]

The problem is when we go to Pierce isos and that is pretty much 80% of time in last 2 minutes. If basketball is in Paul`s hand there is no need for Rondo to be in the game...

That IS the problem.

[Zin5]

The problem is when we go to Pierce isos and that is pretty much 80% of time in last 2 minutes. If basketball is in Paul`s hand there is no need for Rondo to be in the game...

That IS the problem.

I don't necessarily think it's a problem, with Paul's track record for making shots or finding the open man late in the game, especially on the last play, but it's a case to put in House over Rondo. If you're just going to iso Pierce, what's the point of having Rondo in? There is just so few things that he can provide off the ball, outside of defense which you're subbing in just about every play anyways, and House provides so much more with his shooting. House is perfectly competent to fill Rondo's "dump the ball off to Pierce" shoes in the last two minutes or last play of the game, and he's pretty competent on D too (not Rondo, but not bad).

[wigglestrue]

I suggest you research that "track record". Volume is not enough. Besides the pretty solid but totally predictable elbow fadeaway, what does Pierce provide at the end of games? That pass to Baby in Game 4 was an anomaly. Those missed free throws in Game 6 weren't as anomalous. And free throws only come when a foul is called, which often doesn't happen on those rare times when he's aggressive and drives to the hoop. He gets tripped up or picked when he dribbles too much, which is usually. So besides the fact that Pierce always has the ball at the end of games and by default has produced many memorable moments over the last decade (the good outnumbered by the whiffs which aren't as memorable), why does Pierce always have the ball at the end of games? That's the deeper issue, not this Rondo crap. Dumping the ball to Pierce mostly fails, and even when it works it comes at the expense of the offense's flow, at the expense of the other players' rhythm.

That said, if the ball IS going to be dumped to Paul all the time at the end, I agree. House > Rondo.

[celticfan42487]

My intent is not to make a fool of you, Floyd.

Trust us, you're not.

I suggest you research that "track record". Volume is not enough. Besides the pretty solid but totally predictable elbow fadeaway, what does Pierce provide at the end of games? That pass to Baby in Game 4 was an anomaly. Those missed free throws in Game 6 weren't as anomalous. And free throws only come when a foul is called, which often doesn't happen on those rare times when he's aggressive and drives to the hoop. He gets tripped up or picked when he dribbles too much, which is usually. So besides the fact that Pierce always has the ball at the end of games and by default has produced many memorable moments over the last decade (the good outnumbered by the whiffs which aren't as memorable), why does Pierce always have the ball at the end of games? That's the deeper issue, not this Rondo crap. Dumping the ball to Pierce mostly fails, and even when it works it comes at the expense of the offense's flow, at the expense of the other players' rhythm.
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And wigglestrue... for a vet to say that!? Come on. To borrow a boring catchphrase "You're better then that!"

How many times have the game winning shot been posted on Realgm and somehow you think Pierce is predictable at the end of the game. That's he's maybe not using his strenghts?

In the end of games Pierce connects far above average % from the field. Dishes out the second most game winning assists of ANY player in the NBA [behind only Nash] gets to the free throw line the second most out of ANY player in the NBA [behind only Billups... think about how many jumpers Wade and LeBron take at the end to not lead this category]... and you say he's predictable.

Reasearch the topic... as it has been... and the results have been posted many times on this site. Show that Pierce is one of the most dangerous players in the clutch simply because he is not predictable. And yes his most dangerous assest is the pass which is far, far from the abnormality for him.

Simply Pierce is the only star wing player in the NBA that not only trusts his players, is willing to pass the final shot to anyone open if he's doubled... as he usually ends up being. Deltone West, Ricky Davis, Mark Blount all have game winners off of Pierce. Now Big Baby Davis.

[wigglestrue]

Anyone have the numbers for most end of game turnovers? I mean, if we're going by volume, let's at least have all the bases covered. "The only star wing player" yadda yadda...LMFAO. And yes, he once passed to Mark Blount for a game-winner. Ricky Davis, too! HHAAAAAHAHAHA.

[celticfan42487]

... okay I guess I'll just find the stat for you.

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

There you go... looks like Pierce has only gotten better. As for most turnovers, no he doesn't. He does have a 3:1 ass/turn ratio on game win situation though. HA.Ha.ha?