CSNNE: Totally implausible Monta for Ray Allen rumor

[Captain_Caveman]

As a Lakerfan this is the last thing I want to see is Monta Ellis going to Celtics for a slowly breaking down Ray Allen. I was hoping we wouldln't have to worry about you after this year. Monta would change that with Rondo being young and Pierce still has some good run left in him.

I hear you, man... and Monta is OK and all.

But we have $30m in expiring contracts. If we are gonna start selling the children off, we can do better than a largely lateral move for Monta Ellis.

[hiphop1]

How bout this

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[campybatman]

I think Golden State would rather have Robert Parish back.

Auerbach dealt the first and 13th picks in the 1980 NBA Draft to Golden State for the third pick in the 1980 Draft and four-year veteran center Robert Parish. The Warriors selected Purdue center Joe Barry Carroll with the first pick and tabbed Mississippi forward Rickey Brown 13th. The Celtics took forward Kevin McHale of Minnesota, and thus added Parish and McHale to a frontcourt that already featured Larry Bird and Cedric Maxwell. In one trade, Auerbach had acquired a frontcourt for the next decade.

http://www.nba.com/history/season/19801981.html

[endlessraine]

Easy enough, endless... start here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistic ... ue&split=0

Check out attempted FGs per game by team. Due to their respective styles of play, the Warriors shoot 9 more shots a night than the Celtics do.

Or, about 13% more in total. Right there alone, the Ws should basically get a 13% bump in basically all per game stats. Just based on the number of possessions. But that means NOTHING in the scheme of things.

A foolish person would look at the Points Per Game and see that the Ws score an extra 8 points over the Celtics and assume that they are a superior offensive team, but really... they just have more possessions to work with. Celtics have a higher FG%, higher Points Per Shot and higher adjusted FG%.

Now, that's just for teams... on an individual level, it gets even worse.

Take Monta. As stated, the guy shoots 22.7 shots a game. That's among the highest rates in NBA history. Of course he is gonna put up a high scoring average! And in that system, it will also be accompanied by a host of high per games stats on everything from rebounding to steals. But you don't hear Warriors fans pushing his stats in regards to Points Per Shot, or Assists-to-Turnovers or Defensive WIn Shares. And with good reason, as he is poor at all of those things. But since he plays on a team with no accountability on either end of the floor, you guys are gonna praise him for being a ballhog turnover machine that gets burned defensively because he is always gambling for steals?

Shoot... I'm not even done. Look at what happened once he got hurt and all those shots went to other players. Their scoring averages went up! Imagine that!

Uggghhh... STILL not done. You want another example? Take Biedrins and his rebounding. What did he grab, 11 boards a game last year? 4th in the league? Awesome. Now factor in that 13% jump he got in over many teams like Boston. Then factor in that he plays alongside 4 midgets and gets a big boost in his production there. Then factor in that he was allowed to crash the offensive glass whenever he wanted (get back on defense? LOLOL). When you do all that, you should end up in a place where he was NOT the 4th best rebounder in the league.

Just saying. There's a reason you guys are pushing meaningless stats at the same time you are counting the ping-pong balls.

You know what is awesome about rooting for the Celtics? Stats don't matter. We put 5 guys out there who buy into a team concept and play defense.

Give Ray Allen those 22.7 shots a game and he will give you 26 a night, believe that.

hmm.. even thought he shoots more shot, if he converts it at a good rate, shouldn't that be good? I mean, Kobe shoots around 23 shoots per game ( around 4 minutes less than Ellis) and he convert it at a lower rate than Ellis too. Also, the extra possession could be given to another players. I'm just looking at the stats of the players who used to play for the warriors. It aren't really any differences, if not, prolly more! take Jackson for an example, and tell me if there are an diffferences in his overall Stats. Peitrus actually excel in regards to those. hmm. lets just say that the stats are inflated. But they actually worked on it in order to get the stats, nobody are giving it to them for free. I bet monta would be able to put 20+ points if he take around 14-15shoots a game in any system. He can score at will, not just in Warriors. I think in a given team, Ellis should be at least a good 2nd option. Also, about Biedrins, it is much harder to grab rebounds when you don't have a legit pf to help you box down low against an opponent. It's pretty common, if you play a basketball game in a street, would you be able to get many rebounds if its just you against at least 2 guys that are around your height who are muscular and built? Biedrins doesn't have anyone to help him, and he is skinny to start with. It is hard to capitalize the space and box out at least 2 players who are as tall as you down low. Also, Biedrins is more like a pf because he is only 6'11'' and pretty skinny. I think he was a pf when he came to the league. Anyways, good research. But I don't think the deals are going down either ways.

[Captain_Caveman]

Endless... just forget about Monta. He's a selfish diva with 3 screws in his ankle.

Stephen Curry took his job the day he got drafted. Kid is already better than Monta almost across the board. Be thankful you have him. Monta won't even be on your team in a year.

[armageddon]

If Monte was available for Ray, DA would do it in a minute. We absolutely need a young player who can create his own offense. Don't you know the team is tired of having to spend 20 seconds trying to run plays and picks to get Ray open then he dribbles it off his foot.

Monte would be the ultimate combo guard for this team. Running the break with Rondo (we badly need this) and playing backup point. Not only would it be nice to get him, we absolutely need him.

DA has also liked Monte since HS. He seems to be keen on getting players who were very highly rated in HS.

Bottom line is if we keep Ray, we have no way of improving this team next year.

[EJay33]

I'd do this all day. These are the types of moves the Celtics will have to make in order to avoid another 15-year swoon. This is Ray's 14th season and he has declined this year. Monta is obviously not a finished product but he's grown up big time this year and you can't ignore the fact that he's 25 years old and averaging 26ppg, 4rpg, 6apg. People keep pointing out that Monta is shooting 22 shots per game, well the reason for this is because he's practically playing 42mpg on the fastest paced team in the league with the green light from his coach. Initially after the SJax trade it looked like GSW was just showcasing him for another trade and that may indeed be the case. Of course Nelson is going to say they're not trying to trade him, what do you expect?

Also, guess how many shots per game Ray Allen took the year before he was traded to Boston? 21.

The Celtics are the 9th SLOWEST paced team in the league, obviously they wouldn't need to rely on Monta for 42mpg, and we have actual NBA players on this roster so he wouldn't need to shoot as much. His main weakness is his turnovers because like a young Paul Pierce, he tries to do too much without having the ball handling skills to do it. Rondo is the PG here so it's likely that this weakness is mitigated.

Monta is 25 years old. I remember when Boston played Golden State they said he was leading the league in points in the paint at 6'3". This is as much of a no brainer as Danny is going to get for Ray and if it's really on the table he'd do it. The financial implications could cause problems but Wyc has stepped up in the past when there was been an opportunity to improve the team. Monta is playing better D this year than he has in the past and considering our "future" currently consists of Perkins and Rondo, we could use a scorer.

I'm surprised this trade rumor is being received so negatively, you guys must have missed Monta torch the Celtics for 37 on Dec. 28. It was an outrageous performance and all Donny and Gorman kept saying was "How is this guy not an all-star?" This is Ray's 14th season. This trade if it's on the table is a no brainer unless finances are an issue.

[hiphop1]

I have to amit I agree it took me a little while but this kid is MR UNBELIEVABLE!

[endlessraine]

Endless... just forget about Monta. He's a selfish diva with 3 screws in his ankle.

Stephen Curry took his job the day he got drafted. Kid is already better than Monta almost across the board. Be thankful you have him. Monta won't even be on your team in a year.

haahah. Actually. I don't really like Monta. He was the golden boy until he put on those tatts and flashes a gangsta attitude RIGHT after the contract. I mean, it's from the same guy that said he won't change with the dough. No doubt Curry is trying do to things correctly. Hopefully our organization won't scare him away.