Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread

[JHTruth]

I would hope that we'd keep Theis, and trade others, Like maybe an opted in Kanter?
Theis is good as a backup Center, and/or situational Starter.

Yes but he's going to want a starting role and the big money that comes with it next offseason. Are we going to pay him starter $? Right now he has great value because he's cheap. His value will rapidly diminish on a new expensive deal

Agree with that 100%, if he isnt on mates rates then he walks. But how many contending or even playoff level teams would he start for? None spring to mind, but I haven't dedicated a lot of thought to it

Doesn't say much we have the worst starting C in the playoffs does it?

[Parliament10]

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[Darthlukey]

Yes but he's going to want a starting role and the big money that comes with it next offseason. Are we going to pay him starter $? Right now he has great value because he's cheap. His value will rapidly diminish on a new expensive deal

Agree with that 100%, if he isnt on mates rates then he walks. But how many contending or even playoff level teams would he start for? None spring to mind, but I haven't dedicated a lot of thought to it

Doesn't say much we have the worst starting C in the playoffs does it?

It makes me mad to think we lost Al cos of the douchehat kyrie

[Parliament10]

Agree with that 100%, if he isnt on mates rates then he walks. But how many contending or even playoff level teams would he start for? None spring to mind, but I haven't dedicated a lot of thought to it

Doesn't say much we have the worst starting C in the playoffs does it?

It makes me mad to think we lost Al cos of the douchehat kyrie

I don't think that's why we lost Horford. We were set to make a multi-year contract with Horford, that was reduced.
He went with Philly, because they were willing to pay a 33 yr old a crazy amount, and over 4 years.

[Darthlukey]

Doesn't say much we have the worst starting C in the playoffs does it?

It makes me mad to think we lost Al cos of the douchehat kyrie

I don't think that's why we lost Horford. We were set to make a multi-year contract with Horford, that was reduced.
He went with Philly, because they were willing to play a 33 yr old a crazy amount, and over 4 years.

But do we get a right of reply if kyrie wasn't there? Yeah, if all gets $100m over 4 we probably let him walk anyways

[Parliament10]

It makes me mad to think we lost Al cos of the douchehat kyrie

I don't think that's why we lost Horford. We were set to make a multi-year contract with Horford, that was reduced.
He went with Philly, because they were willing to play a 33 yr old a crazy amount, and over 4 years.

But do we get a right of reply if kyrie wasn't there? Yeah, if all gets $100m over 4 we probably let him walk anyways

Right. That's what we did. Horford got $109M/4 yrs, from Philly.
We didn't even bother to match.

[ConstableGeneva]

We probably should have a free agent target thread.

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[celtics543]

We probably should have a free agent target thread.

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He's high if he thinks he can defend Anthony Davis

[ConstableGeneva]

Dedmon is making $13M+ next season? When did that happen?? **** that, I thought he was a free agent that could be had for less than the MLE. That's a pretty expensive backup center the Hawks have there.

[ConstableGeneva]

Where is this? Anyone?

[snowman]

I posted this in the trade thread but O think it's worth saying again. Danny said that he and the ownership except the fact that we are going to be a tax paying team next season. (I think he is saying that our starters will all be back). Danny said that a lot of work needed to be done, and that we are not good enough. (I think that he is saying that he dropped the ball on such a weak bench, and that the vets we did have on the bench (Wannamaker, Semi weren't good enough). He also said that a healthy Kemba and Hayward would be a big difference. (In my mind, that means he feels we are pretty close, and that our top players, (Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Theis, Smart, R. Will, G. Will., Kanter and Langford will all be back, if Hayward and Kanter pick up their options.) He wants the bench to be better, but not necessarily improved by expensive veteran players, but by better younger players, that we have longer control of. I feel that Wannamaker, Semi, Green, Edwards, Poirier, Waters and Fall are on the hot seat. He couldn't come right out and say this guy is gone, or that guy is going to be released or traded, but the writing is on the wall. Notice has been given.

1) Wannamaker, Semi and Green are easily released or just not offered a contract, which doesn't cost us an asset to move, and can be replaced by the 3 first round picks. Regardless of who we pick, that in of it's self will be an upgrade to players that are an NBA talent and SHOULD be on an NBA roster vs players that we currently have that aren't and shouldn't be. I have been advocating for Saddiq Bey, Tre Jones, and Daniel Oturu to replace these three and they would be a huge upgrade in talent, with 4-5 years control over them and just a small uptick difference in the salaries.

2) That would leave Poirier, Fall, Edwards and Waters. It will probably come down to a training camp battle between Poirier vs Fall and Edwards vs Waters for 2 roster spots. If Waters and Fall win then we will have to trade or release Poirier and Edwards.

PG: Kemba, Smart, Tre Jones, (Edwards/ Waters)
SG: Brown, Langford
SF: Hayward, Saddiq Bey
PF: Tatum, G. Williams, Oturu
C: Theis, R. Williams, Kanter, (Poirier/Fall)

[BostonCouchGM]

I posted this in the trade thread but O think it's worth saying again. Danny said that he and the ownership except the fact that we are going to be a tax paying team next season. (I think he is saying that our starters will all be back). Danny said that a lot of work needed to be done, and that we are not good enough. (I think that he is saying that he dropped the ball on such a weak bench, and that the vets we did have on the bench (Wannamaker, Semi weren't good enough). He also said that a healthy Kemba and Hayward would be a big difference. (In my mind, that means he feels we are pretty close, and that our top players, (Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Theis, Smart, R. Will, G. Will., Kanter and Langford will all be back, if Hayward and Kanter pick up their options.) He wants the bench to be better, but not necessarily improved by expensive veteran players, but by better younger players, that we have longer control of. I feel that Wannamaker, Semi, Green, Edwards, Poirier, Waters and Fall are on the hot seat. He couldn't come right out and say this guy is gone, or that guy is going to be released or traded, but the writing is on the wall. Notice has been given.

1) Wannamaker, Semi and Green are easily released or just not offered a contract, which doesn't cost us an asset to move, and can be replaced by the 3 first round picks. Regardless of who we pick, that in of it's self will be an upgrade to players that are an NBA talent and SHOULD be on an NBA roster vs players that we currently have that aren't and shouldn't be. I have been advocating for Saddiq Bey, Tre Jones, and Daniel Oturu to replace these three and they would be a huge upgrade in talent, with 4-5 years control over them and just a small uptick difference in the salaries.

2) That would leave Poirier, Fall, Edwards and Waters. It will probably come down to a training camp battle between Poirier vs Fall and Edwards vs Waters for 2 roster spots. If Waters and Fall win then we will have to trade or release Poirier and Edwards.

PG: Kemba, Smart, Tre Jones, (Edwards/ Waters)
SG: Brown, Langford
SF: Hayward, Saddiq Bey
PF: Tatum, G. Williams, Oturu
C: Theis, R. Williams, Kanter, (Poirier/Fall)

that lineup doesn't get it done next year. We'd be in the Finals playing tonight if Danny had taken Sekou, Clarke, Bazley and Bol/Roby/Reid instead of what he did last draft. Bey, Oturu and Jones doesn't move the needle on iota. Bey has a very slow and low release to his shot and isn't a remarkable athlete. He'll be 22 y/o in April so it's a little late to expect him to revamp his release in time to help us. He's a poor man's Mikal Bridges, maybe closer to Justin Jackson. Hard pass. I too was initially high on him but no longer. Oturu isn't an NBA starter. He's Ivan Rabb 2.0. Another hard pass. I think Jones will have a 10 year NBA career as a backup only. No reason to take him in the 1st round. There are so many better players than these guys who should be available at our picks.

[MagicBagley18]

Re-post from another thread but basically how much does ownerships willingness to pay the tax affect our free agency ? what are some real options for us from a salary stand point if he’s willing to pay tax? Genuinely asking because I don’t know

[themoneyteam2]

I posted this in the trade thread but O think it's worth saying again. Danny said that he and the ownership except the fact that we are going to be a tax paying team next season. (I think he is saying that our starters will all be back). Danny said that a lot of work needed to be done, and that we are not good enough. (I think that he is saying that he dropped the ball on such a weak bench, and that the vets we did have on the bench (Wannamaker, Semi weren't good enough). He also said that a healthy Kemba and Hayward would be a big difference. (In my mind, that means he feels we are pretty close, and that our top players, (Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Theis, Smart, R. Will, G. Will., Kanter and Langford will all be back, if Hayward and Kanter pick up their options.) He wants the bench to be better, but not necessarily improved by expensive veteran players, but by better younger players, that we have longer control of. I feel that Wannamaker, Semi, Green, Edwards, Poirier, Waters and Fall are on the hot seat. He couldn't come right out and say this guy is gone, or that guy is going to be released or traded, but the writing is on the wall. Notice has been given.

1) Wannamaker, Semi and Green are easily released or just not offered a contract, which doesn't cost us an asset to move, and can be replaced by the 3 first round picks. Regardless of who we pick, that in of it's self will be an upgrade to players that are an NBA talent and SHOULD be on an NBA roster vs players that we currently have that aren't and shouldn't be. I have been advocating for Saddiq Bey, Tre Jones, and Daniel Oturu to replace these three and they would be a huge upgrade in talent, with 4-5 years control over them and just a small uptick difference in the salaries.

2) That would leave Poirier, Fall, Edwards and Waters. It will probably come down to a training camp battle between Poirier vs Fall and Edwards vs Waters for 2 roster spots. If Waters and Fall win then we will have to trade or release Poirier and Edwards.

PG: Kemba, Smart, Tre Jones, (Edwards/ Waters)
SG: Brown, Langford
SF: Hayward, Saddiq Bey
PF: Tatum, G. Williams, Oturu
C: Theis, R. Williams, Kanter, (Poirier/Fall)

that lineup doesn't get it done next year. We'd be in the Finals playing tonight if Danny had taken Sekou, Clarke, Bazley and Bol/Roby/Reid instead of what he did last draft. Bey, Oturu and Jones doesn't move the needle on iota. Bey has a very slow and low release to his shot and isn't a remarkable athlete. He'll be 22 y/o in April so it's a little late to expect him to revamp his release in time to help us. He's a poor man's Mikal Bridges, maybe closer to Justin Jackson. Hard pass. I too was initially high on him but no longer. Oturu isn't an NBA starter. He's Ivan Rabb 2.0. Another hard pass. I think Jones will have a 10 year NBA career as a backup only. No reason to take him in the 1st round. There are so many better players than these guys who should be available at our picks.

You think if we took Bol Bol, Bazley, or Sekou we’d be in the finals? Please say you’re joking.

The same Bol Bol who couldn’t even get minutes in the playoffs for the Nuggets would have been the difference in the series vs Miami?

Your gig is getting tiresome but at the same times it’s **** hilarious

[ConstableGeneva]

Re-post from another thread but basically how much does ownerships willingness to pay the tax affect our free agency ? what are some real options for us from a salary stand point if he’s willing to pay tax? Genuinely asking because I don’t know

Barring any cap gymnastics and deferring of picks, retaining Hayward makes us taxpayers. So if the plan is to keep the core and improve on the fringes, Cs can only use the taxpayer's MLE ($6.13M) and veteran's minimum. Trade a couple of bench guys + pick for a higher-salaried, more useful player.

[MagicBagley18]

Re-post from another thread but basically how much does ownerships willingness to pay the tax affect our free agency ? what are some real options for us from a salary stand point if he’s willing to pay tax? Genuinely asking because I don’t know

Barring any cap gymnastics and deferring of picks, retaining Hayward makes us taxpayers. So if the plan is to keep the core and improve on the fringes, Cs can only use the taxpayer's MLE ($6.13M) and veteran's minimum. Trade a couple of bench guys + pick for a higher-salaried, more useful player.

Thanks man, unfortunately that’s what I thought. Thank u

[ConstableGeneva]

Re-post from another thread but basically how much does ownerships willingness to pay the tax affect our free agency ? what are some real options for us from a salary stand point if he’s willing to pay tax? Genuinely asking because I don’t know

Barring any cap gymnastics and deferring of picks, retaining Hayward makes us taxpayers. So if the plan is to keep the core and improve on the fringes, Cs can only use the taxpayer's MLE ($6.13M) and veteran's minimum. Trade a couple of bench guys + pick for a higher-salaried, more useful player.

Thanks man, unfortunately that’s what I thought. Thank u

Someone bump the Brown-for-Giannis trade thread lol. I think that's significant enough of an upgrade.

[MagicBagley18]

Barring any cap gymnastics and deferring of picks, retaining Hayward makes us taxpayers. So if the plan is to keep the core and improve on the fringes, Cs can only use the taxpayer's MLE ($6.13M) and veteran's minimum. Trade a couple of bench guys + pick for a higher-salaried, more useful player.

Thanks man, unfortunately that’s what I thought. Thank u

Someone bump the Brown-for-Giannis trade thread lol. I think that's significant enough of an upgrade.

Haha can’t be me.....I’ll get told I have a vendetta against him. But uhh if u did maybe I’d post a comment or 2 lol

[Feed Your Head]

Thanks man, unfortunately that’s what I thought. Thank u

Someone bump the Brown-for-Giannis trade thread lol. I think that's significant enough of an upgrade.

Haha can’t be me.....I’ll get told I have a vendetta against him. But uhh if u did maybe I’d post a comment or 2 lol

[ConstableGeneva]

Thanks man, unfortunately that’s what I thought. Thank u

Someone bump the Brown-for-Giannis trade thread lol. I think that's significant enough of an upgrade.

Haha can’t be me.....I’ll get told I have a vendetta against him. But uhh if u did maybe I’d post a comment or 2 lol

If Giannis doesn't sign the supermax, Danny should at least have an offer ready headlined by a budding all-star signed to a four-year deal. Tatum's the only untouchable guy in a Freak scenario.