Hawks Squawk, Celtics Rock! Playoff Victory Cigar vs ATL 4/18 (BOS lead 2-0)

[exculpatory]

Derrick White going from almost unplayable on offense to a legit third option level offense generator with +++defensive value is the biggest development of the season.

In addition, both HEALTHY GAME CHANGING Rob and Smart THE DISTRIBUTOR & DEFENDER are looking closer to what they were last year. If these three things hold, (AND WE CONSISTENTLY HOLD LEADS BETTER), Celtics are the clear favorites.

…And the 6MOTY who could start for most NBA teams.

…And JT #4 in MVP VOTING.

…And, to be fair, #7 often playing to his elite offensive strengths (when he isn’t trying to set a TOV RECORD).

…And BIG AL defying his age.

I LOVE DERRICK!

Everyone, get your camera’s ready.

Of the top 20 players in usage rate, these are the only ones who had a lower turnover rate than Jaylen.

SGA: 10.1%
Mitchell: 10.3%
Tatum: 10.4%
Booker: 10.6%
Fox: 10.6%
Jaylen: 11.4

Then the rest of the top 20 had a worse turnover rate.

B. The issue with Jaylen is he doesn’t really make up for it with playmaking, or even the threat of playmaking.

A. But he really doesn’t turn the ball over much, he just has memorable turnovers.

A. Thanks for the stats. Defies the eye test perhaps because they are ‘memorable’, often seem to occur in bunches, & often seem to occur at bad times.

B. That matters a **** lot. Excellent point.

[exculpatory]

…And the 6MOTY who could start for most NBA teams.
.
…And JT #4 in MVP VOTING.

…And, to be fair, #7 often playing to his elite offensive strengths (when he isn’t trying to set a TOV RECORD).

…And BIG AL defying his age.

I LOVE DERRICK!

Everyone, get your camera’s ready.

Of the top 20 players in usage rate, these are the only ones who had a lower turnover rate than Jaylen.

SGA: 10.1%
Mitchell: 10.3%
Tatum: 10.4%
Booker: 10.6%
Fox: 10.6%
Jaylen: 11.4

Then the rest of the top 20 had a worse turnover rate. The issue with Jaylen is he doesn’t really make up for it with playmaking, or even the threat of playmaking. But he really doesn’t turn the ball over much, he just has memorable turnovers.

The other issue with Jaylen is that he doesn't score on good efficiency despite being a secondary scorer and his scoring often comes at the expense of ball movement and team offense.

SGA: .626
Mitchell: .614
Tatum: .607
Booker: .601
Fox: .599
Jaylen: .581

Then some fun comps like

KD: .697

Jaylen is a good but not elite scorer who wants the volume of an elite scorer, often at the expense of team success.

Yup.

[ballup]

…And the 6MOTY who could start for most NBA teams.
.
…And JT #4 in MVP VOTING.

…And, to be fair, #7 often playing to his elite offensive strengths (when he isn’t trying to set a TOV RECORD).

…And BIG AL defying his age.

I LOVE DERRICK!

Everyone, get your camera’s ready.

Of the top 20 players in usage rate, these are the only ones who had a lower turnover rate than Jaylen.

SGA: 10.1%
Mitchell: 10.3%
Tatum: 10.4%
Booker: 10.6%
Fox: 10.6%
Jaylen: 11.4

Then the rest of the top 20 had a worse turnover rate. The issue with Jaylen is he doesn’t really make up for it with playmaking, or even the threat of playmaking. But he really doesn’t turn the ball over much, he just has memorable turnovers.

The other issue with Jaylen is that he doesn't score on good efficiency despite being a secondary scorer and his scoring often comes at the expense of ball movement and team offense.

SGA: .626
Mitchell: .614
Tatum: .607
Booker: .601
Fox: .599
Jaylen: .581

Then some fun comps like

KD: .697

Jaylen is a good but not elite scorer who wants the volume of an elite scorer, often at the expense of team success.

Well it issue is because people like you don't know how to use TS% properly. Applying TS% across the board uniformly instead of comparing players of similar shot charts/play styles is one example of why advanced stats get pushback.

[BK_2020]

Everyone, get your camera’s ready.

Of the top 20 players in usage rate, these are the only ones who had a lower turnover rate than Jaylen.

SGA: 10.1%
Mitchell: 10.3%
Tatum: 10.4%
Booker: 10.6%
Fox: 10.6%
Jaylen: 11.4

Then the rest of the top 20 had a worse turnover rate. The issue with Jaylen is he doesn’t really make up for it with playmaking, or even the threat of playmaking. But he really doesn’t turn the ball over much, he just has memorable turnovers.

The other issue with Jaylen is that he doesn't score on good efficiency despite being a secondary scorer and his scoring often comes at the expense of ball movement and team offense.

SGA: .626
Mitchell: .614
Tatum: .607
Booker: .601
Fox: .599
Jaylen: .581

Then some fun comps like

KD: .697

Jaylen is a good but not elite scorer who wants the volume of an elite scorer, often at the expense of team success.

Well it issue is because people like you don't know how to use TS% properly. Applying TS% across the board uniformly instead of comparing players of similar shot charts/play styles is one example of why advanced stats get pushback.

People like you need to learn to read the entire thread because it takes maybe someone of 12 - 15 IQ to figure out why my list includes those names in the order they are in. I can trust you to meet the minimum?

[tlee324]

White and Tatum deserve their votes; wanted to also throw out there how effective Rob was when we were down early in the 1st quarter and his efforts started to turn it around for the team by the end of the quarter.

[zoyathedestroya]

Only 8 instances of 25p-10r-5a by a Celtics player in a playoff game since 2010. Tatum registered all eight.

[Homerclease]

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[ballup]

The other issue with Jaylen is that he doesn't score on good efficiency despite being a secondary scorer and his scoring often comes at the expense of ball movement and team offense.

SGA: .626
Mitchell: .614
Tatum: .607
Booker: .601
Fox: .599
Jaylen: .581

Then some fun comps like

KD: .697

Jaylen is a good but not elite scorer who wants the volume of an elite scorer, often at the expense of team success.

Well it issue is because people like you don't know how to use TS% properly. Applying TS% across the board uniformly instead of comparing players of similar shot charts/play styles is one example of why advanced stats get pushback.

People like you need to learn to read the entire thread because it takes maybe someone of 12 - 15 IQ to figure out why my list includes those names in the order they are in. I can trust you to meet the minimum?

The other issue with Jaylen is that he doesn't score on good efficiency despite being a secondary scorer and his scoring often comes at the expense of ball movement and team offense.

SGA: .626
Mitchell: .614
Tatum: .607
Booker: .601
Fox: .599
Jaylen: .581

Then some fun comps like

KD: .697

Jaylen is a good but not elite scorer who wants the volume of an elite scorer, often at the expense of team success.

Well it issue is because people like you don't know how to use TS% properly. Applying TS% across the board uniformly instead of comparing players of similar shot charts/play styles is one example of why advanced stats get pushback.

People like you need to learn to read the entire thread because it takes maybe someone of 12 - 15 IQ to figure out why my list includes those names in the order they are in. I can trust you to meet the minimum?

My statement still applies.

The equation for TS% is Points/(FGA+.44FTA). There are multiple ways to increase one's percentage for this formula. It's not just make more shots. It can unintentionally be gamified if the player shoots a high volume of 3s and FTs while limiting mid rangers. Why go on this long tangent? Because Jaylen's playstyle isn't to force defenders to foul him like a Butler. He plays a hybrid style of Kyrie/Kawhi/DeRozan where he slashes and avoids contact by hanging in the air, shooting on the descend. If Jaylen played more of the conventional perimeter star where he emphasizes fouls drawn, his FGA would go down and FTA would go up. Mathematically, that lowers the denominator, increasing TS%.

Compare that to his contemporaries. Tatum is now muscling through defenders and their outstretched arms. Fox/Mitchell/SGA are speed demons and defenders are more likely to foul because they can't keep up. KD is the rarified uber efficient scorer who is the anomaly.

Now Booker is the one case similar to Jaylen. Similar FGA, but Booker goes to the line more and shoots less 3s. Booker has the ball more in his hands. Granted, he is one of the leagues better secondary ballhandlers. It's valid to criticize Jaylen on not making his 3s this season. It's his lowest rate of his career. Also valid to call out his average FT shooting. Saying that he is not an elite scorer is a terrible opinion and quite hypocritical of you. You know who scored 27 PPG on 58 TS% recently?Tatum last season. The one player you stan and never criticize.

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[Homerclease]

…And the 6MOTY who could start for most NBA teams.
.
…And JT #4 in MVP VOTING.

…And, to be fair, #7 often playing to his elite offensive strengths (when he isn’t trying to set a TOV RECORD).

…And BIG AL defying his age.

I LOVE DERRICK!

Everyone, get your camera’s ready.

Of the top 20 players in usage rate, these are the only ones who had a lower turnover rate than Jaylen.

SGA: 10.1%
Mitchell: 10.3%
Tatum: 10.4%
Booker: 10.6%
Fox: 10.6%
Jaylen: 11.4

Then the rest of the top 20 had a worse turnover rate. The issue with Jaylen is he doesn’t really make up for it with playmaking, or even the threat of playmaking. But he really doesn’t turn the ball over much, he just has memorable turnovers.

The other issue with Jaylen is that he doesn't score on good efficiency despite being a secondary scorer and his scoring often comes at the expense of ball movement and team offense.

SGA: .626
Mitchell: .614
Tatum: .607
Booker: .601
Fox: .599
Jaylen: .581

Then some fun comps like

KD: .697

Jaylen is a good but not elite scorer who wants the volume of an elite scorer, often at the expense of team success.

When has he ever stated anything to this effect?

[BK_2020]

Everyone, get your camera’s ready.

Of the top 20 players in usage rate, these are the only ones who had a lower turnover rate than Jaylen.

SGA: 10.1%
Mitchell: 10.3%
Tatum: 10.4%
Booker: 10.6%
Fox: 10.6%
Jaylen: 11.4

Then the rest of the top 20 had a worse turnover rate. The issue with Jaylen is he doesn’t really make up for it with playmaking, or even the threat of playmaking. But he really doesn’t turn the ball over much, he just has memorable turnovers.

The other issue with Jaylen is that he doesn't score on good efficiency despite being a secondary scorer and his scoring often comes at the expense of ball movement and team offense.

SGA: .626
Mitchell: .614
Tatum: .607
Booker: .601
Fox: .599
Jaylen: .581

Then some fun comps like

KD: .697

Jaylen is a good but not elite scorer who wants the volume of an elite scorer, often at the expense of team success.

When has he ever stated anything to this effect?

I mean, Jaylen isn't an idiot, he's not gonna literally say "I don't care about the team." That doesn't mean you are automatically a team player.

[Homerclease]

The other issue with Jaylen is that he doesn't score on good efficiency despite being a secondary scorer and his scoring often comes at the expense of ball movement and team offense.

SGA: .626
Mitchell: .614
Tatum: .607
Booker: .601
Fox: .599
Jaylen: .581

Then some fun comps like

KD: .697

Jaylen is a good but not elite scorer who wants the volume of an elite scorer, often at the expense of team success.

When has he ever stated anything to this effect?

I mean, Jaylen isn't an idiot, he's not gonna literally say "I don't care about the team." That doesn't mean you are automatically a team player.

You said “he wants the volume of an elite scorer”. Is that just your opinion or is there some quote by Brown somewhere that supports this claim?

[Hal14]

Good grief. Didn't BK post those exact same stats in the JB thread? Why does that guy have to turn every thread into a JB bashing thread? Those stats have nothing to do with game 2 from the other night vs the Hawks