Trade Thread #8: All Gordon things come to an End

[big-shot-ROB]

Would people prefer Bogi or just the TPE and cap flexibility while avoiding the tax?

What's the point of the TPE if we can't use it? Serious question, I'm quite bad at cap and stuff.

[shi-woo]

Would people prefer Bogi or just the TPE and cap flexibility while avoiding the tax?

I'd prefer th player over the money to be honest. I still feel like this team is one piece away, and need a microwave scoring presence off the bench. I love Smart, I mean I LOVE Smart, but assuming he starts or even if he doesn't, the bench just doesn't have the firepower we need. Bogdanovic would give us that. He's a solid player, can do a little of everything, and most of all he can run an offense, so if Smart, Kemba, Teague are in a funk you can turn to him.

Now, if you have something set up where you can bring in a solid, reliable veteran 3-4 wing, or lights out shooter then I would be interested in the TPE, but right now that player isn't available. RoCo would have been perfect, but he's gone. I would LOVE PJ Tucker in green, same with Thadeus Young. Young would be the perfect 5th starter or veteran bench piece for this team.

As it stands now though, like I said, Celtics need a consistent scorer off the bench, and if Bog's is willing to be that then you have to go for it if you're Ainge

[djFan71]

Can we get MKG finally????? Asking for a friend. Sorry Javonte.

[ConstableGeneva]

Yeah, they could. We could take Felicio back too. Save CHI some money. Lessens the TPE, but we could waive him and still be under the tax. Keep TPE for next year.

The Felicio portion may be necessary since CHI doesn't have the cap space to absorb all of Terry's salary.

Eh, it worked on tradenba..... but, yeah, that seems pretty solid all around doesn't it? Assuming CHA wants off Terry.

CHI: Terry for Sato/Felicio
CHA: Gordon for Terry
BOS: Felicio, TPE for Gordon

We can keep Felicio for trade ballast. Or waive him if we need the roster spot. Not sure anyone really needs picks even.

How about this one:

PHO gets Zeller (they get a backup center unless they just plan on re-signing Baynes)
CHA gets Hayward (they keep all their ballhandlers; still many bigs in FA market)
BOS gets Nader (absorbed into Poirier TPE), $27.9M TPE

Nader is like the rich man's Hayward so this is highway robbery by us.

[djFan71]

Would people prefer Bogi or just the TPE and cap flexibility while avoiding the tax?

What's the point of the TPE if we can't use it? Serious question, I'm quite bad at cap and stuff.

It lasts til next offseason. In theory, it can be up to Gordon's full contract if we don't take anything back. Call it $27M. That means at any point into next offseason (usually a year, who knows now with Covid), we can trade for a player up to that amount and not have to send out matching salary.

[ConstableGeneva]

Would people prefer Bogi or just the TPE and cap flexibility while avoiding the tax?

Would we avoid the tax if we give him 20 per year?

Nope. If some team signs him to that, bless them. You think he's worth that much?

[djFan71]

The Felicio portion may be necessary since CHI doesn't have the cap space to absorb all of Terry's salary.

Eh, it worked on tradenba..... but, yeah, that seems pretty solid all around doesn't it? Assuming CHA wants off Terry.

CHI: Terry for Sato/Felicio
CHA: Gordon for Terry
BOS: Felicio, TPE for Gordon

We can keep Felicio for trade ballast. Or waive him if we need the roster spot. Not sure anyone really needs picks even.

How about this one:

PHO gets Zeller (they get a backup center unless they just plan on re-signing Baynes)
CHA gets Hayward (they keep all their ballhandlers; still many bigs in FA market)
BOS gets Nader (absorbed into Poirier TPE), $27.9M TPE

Nader is like the rich man's Hayward so this is highway robbery by us.

Slick, if CHA wants off Zeller. Can CHA take Baynes back in an S&T in the same deal? Money would work.
Then Theis would be jelly of his boys reuniting in CHA without him.

[Saint Lazarus]

Would we avoid the tax if we give him 20 per year?

Nope. If some team signs him to that, bless them. You think he's worth that much?

No but I thought I read that was what was being offered by the Bucks before the great debacle

15m would be nice though.

[big-shot-ROB]

Would people prefer Bogi or just the TPE and cap flexibility while avoiding the tax?

What's the point of the TPE if we can't use it? Serious question, I'm quite bad at cap and stuff.

It lasts til next offseason. In theory, it can be up to Gordon's full contract if we don't take anything back. Call it $27M. That means at any point into next offseason (usually a year, who knows now with Covid), we can trade for a player up to that amount and not have to send out matching salary.

Though we need to trade something that might entice the other team right? like draft picks

[ConstableGeneva]

They need to clear a significant amount in order to sign Hayward outright. If this is even a thing, a third team would have to be involved imo.

We won't take on Batum or Zeller's contract even if they're expiring. Batum will put us over the tax. Zeller may not, but we already signed Thompson and have Theis/Timelord/Grant as backups.

The TPE is the prize here and whatever pick they can throw our way along with it. We can use both to sign an FA (why Bogdan's name is being brought up) or for midseason trades or for next offseason.

I thought the Hornets were waiving Batum to make room?

After much media ridicule, I think MJ realized it was a bad idea.

It's weird how they miscalculated their own cap space. And it wasn't even close ($7M+). They'd essentially pay Hayward $39M/year for three years then $30M his final year if they don't find a way to dump salary.

[djFan71]

What's the point of the TPE if we can't use it? Serious question, I'm quite bad at cap and stuff.

It lasts til next offseason. In theory, it can be up to Gordon's full contract if we don't take anything back. Call it $27M. That means at any point into next offseason (usually a year, who knows now with Covid), we can trade for a player up to that amount and not have to send out matching salary.

Though we need to trade something that might entice the other team right? like draft picks

Yeah, it just makes dealing with the salary side so much easier. Say some team had a guy we really wanted signed for $25M and wanted Romeo & a first. We could do that deal without having to worry about adding a ton of extra players in simply to match salary.

[celtxman]

Would people prefer Bogi or just the TPE and cap flexibility while avoiding the tax?

What's the point of the TPE if we can't use it? Serious question, I'm quite bad at cap and stuff.

The Celtics could use the TPE for up to a year. So think about the Celtics being part of EVERY discussion for every player up to an including Giannis for the next year, without scrambling to match salaries.
But ot the real world, I would take Bogdonovic quickly. I love his game. He is not as talented as Hayward, but as of now a better, healthier, cheaper, and better fit for the Celtics player.
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[big-shot-ROB]

It lasts til next offseason. In theory, it can be up to Gordon's full contract if we don't take anything back. Call it $27M. That means at any point into next offseason (usually a year, who knows now with Covid), we can trade for a player up to that amount and not have to send out matching salary.

Though we need to trade something that might entice the other team right? like draft picks

Yeah, it just makes dealing with the salary side so much easier. Say some team had a guy we really wanted signed for $25M and wanted Romeo & a first. We could do that deal without having to worry about adding a ton of extra players in simply to match salary.

I wouldn't be against using the TPE with the Kings for Bogd. sending Romeo, Edwards and some picks.

Reportedly they are looking at a young player + draft assets.

They were prepared to accept DVV, Ilyasova and DJ Wilson. I'm sure we can compete with that.

Only problem is ATL and IND are also interested and maybe they throw in Myles (which I highly doubt).

[ConstableGeneva]

Eh, it worked on tradenba..... but, yeah, that seems pretty solid all around doesn't it? Assuming CHA wants off Terry.

CHI: Terry for Sato/Felicio
CHA: Gordon for Terry
BOS: Felicio, TPE for Gordon

We can keep Felicio for trade ballast. Or waive him if we need the roster spot. Not sure anyone really needs picks even.

How about this one:

PHO gets Zeller (they get a backup center unless they just plan on re-signing Baynes)
CHA gets Hayward (they keep all their ballhandlers; still many bigs in FA market)
BOS gets Nader (absorbed into Poirier TPE), $27.9M TPE

Nader is like the rich man's Hayward so this is highway robbery by us.

Slick, if CHA wants off Zeller. Can CHA take Baynes back in an S&T in the same deal? Money would work.
Then Theis would be jelly of his boys reuniting in CHA without him.

Would Baynes agree to a starting salary of about $8M? 'Cos I don't think it can exceed that for both him and Hayward to fit into CHA's cap space.

[djFan71]

How about this one:

PHO gets Zeller (they get a backup center unless they just plan on re-signing Baynes)
CHA gets Hayward (they keep all their ballhandlers; still many bigs in FA market)
BOS gets Nader (absorbed into Poirier TPE), $27.9M TPE

Nader is like the rich man's Hayward so this is highway robbery by us.

Slick, if CHA wants off Zeller. Can CHA take Baynes back in an S&T in the same deal? Money would work.
Then Theis would be jelly of his boys reuniting in CHA without him.

Would Baynes agree to a starting salary of about $8M? 'Cos I don't think it can exceed that for both him and Hayward to fit into CHA's cap space.

I dunno, I thought $5M in my head doing the math which is probably off. But, send out a Martin brother if need be.
I just don't think CHA wants to be center-less. Feels like losing Terry is more desirable, with Graham and Ball. But, I don't really know what the heck they're doing, so...

[Fencer reregistered]

Would people prefer Bogi or just the TPE and cap flexibility while avoiding the tax?

What's the point of the TPE if we can't use it? Serious question, I'm quite bad at cap and stuff.

There will still be time to use it before next season.

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

When does the buyout market starts?

[ConstableGeneva]

Big rotation is now resolved with Thompson/Theis/Rob/Grant.
Ballhandlers are adequate with Kemba/Smart/Teague/Pritchard/Tatum (kinda).

We're missing another bona fide 12-15 ppg scorer ideally coming off the bench. We can't just blindly hope one of the rooks/sophs contribute that much on offense.

Let's go S&T! Let's go TPE!!

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Can we get MKG finally????? Asking for a friend. Sorry Javonte.

It's a little late for it but, we know danny has always liked him

[Roddy]

Can we get MKG finally????? Asking for a friend. Sorry Javonte.

It's a little late for it but, we know danny has always liked him

The last thing we need is a career 27% from 3 small forward...