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Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

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Re: A. Sherrod Blakely says Kings preparing Offer Sheet for Smart 

Post#1241 » by reload141 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:24 am

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Re: A. Sherrod Blakely says Kings preparing Offer Sheet for Smart 

Post#1242 » by Afam » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:24 am

There is no pressure to be put on the celtics or Danny Ainge. It is totally possible for teams to offer sheet smart. People just want players to take less , discount money all the time. I think Marcus Smart is a good player , but not a great player. He has many weaknesses. That aside i still think he is worth more than 6 million. His worth money wise is in the 10-12 million range 13 being the max. This is a business at the end of the day.

Marcus Smart is gone. Either this offeseason, or the next.
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Re: A. Sherrod Blakely says Kings preparing Offer Sheet for Smart 

Post#1243 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:28 am

I normally get upset when a local reporter messes up on their scoops, but at this point, my reaction to Sherrod is basically this because it happens so often.

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1244 » by Afam » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:30 am

No one, no team is going to tell a reporter/journalist that they are planning to place an offer sheet on a player. Not going to happen.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1245 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:37 am

Kyrie For Three wrote:With all this praise being lavished on Rozier, I can only hope Greg Popovich feels the exact same way.

He doesn't. He's all in on Murray.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1246 » by Asian Celtic » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:45 am

Meh Rozier can't defend Danny Ainge 1 on 1. Trade him :roll:
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1247 » by djFan71 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:45 am

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itrsteve wrote:Somebody needs to explain to him how the CBA works and the implication if the C’s pay him over the QA and the impact of the upcoming seasons. If you sat him down with the numbers then maybe he wouldn’t feel so insulted if the big picture was known?

I’m torn as I don’t want him to leave, but 18/19 isn’t the season to start the luxury tax counter. There’s a very short window to “go for it” financially and it can’t start until next season.



Boston can go over the tax this year and back under next year and it stops the repeater clock. Honestly the tax really doesn't matter the team is going to pay it. What you can't do is overpay role players. Marcus Smart needs to get paid his job isn't to manage Boston's salary structure. Boston can't get into a 4 year deal with Smart that has them vastly overpaying him for the mins he is playing two years from now that make it a problem to sign Brown and Tatum while keeping and Irving, Haywood, and Horford.

If you value a guy at 11-12 mil then pay him his money. But you can't go to 15-16 mil because you might lose him otherwise, lose him and go pay somebody else to do his job for 5 mil.

Agree in general, but with a couple notes:

1.) Repeater penalty applies if you have been in the tax for three out of four seasons. So going under for one year doesn't exactly "reset" the clock - it just gets you partway to resetting the clock. It's still beneficial to put off the beginning of that 3-in-4 stretch, if possible.

2.) It would just be an awful shame to start the clock because you came in above the tax by like a mil. Not the end of the world, but if you're within a hairsbreadth of staying under anyway, it makes some sense to try to do so, and put off the start of the clock for a year when you're going to be clearly, unavoidably over, like we presumably will be next year.

Basically, you don't want the value of a minimum contract to be the margin by which you're over, because then you're basically paying the tax for that minimum player.

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Re: A. Sherrod Blakely says Kings preparing Offer Sheet for Smart 

Post#1248 » by luckycharms » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:03 am

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1249 » by CelticFaninLBC » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:04 am

Have a feeling he signs for around 4 and 54m.

Then they deal off Morris and Nader to the Kings, who need a sf, for a TPE and 2nd rounder and get under the luxury cap.

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Horford, Tatum, Hayward, Brown, Irving
Baynes. Theis, Ojeleye, Smart, Rozier
Williams, Yabs, Bird, Wannamaker and minimum contract
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1250 » by NotALongIslandr » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:34 am

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You are one of the greatest players to ever have played the game and without a doubt *the* single best front office exec ev-ah!!! The Kings totally got jobbed by the refs in that WCF v. the Fakers.

Anyway, please, please, please sign Marcus Smart to a Zach Levine offer sheet. He'll win you a chip, for sure!

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1251 » by GuyClinch » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:50 am

Well guess we will see what Ainge thinks. I don't think fans are going to like it.. Ainge is a sharp guy and will talk up his players - following this team for years he appeared to be in love with Bradley, IT, Crowder and Rondo. In reality he had no love for those guys and would never overpay..

I don't think Ainge has changed - and I think the value he would actually pay for smart is not that high..
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1252 » by Gant » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:03 pm

Smart on the Kings means all the Kings will play much harder, which will cost the Celtics valuable ping pongs.

The Celtics will be inclined to match at a higher price with Sacramento than any other team.

How much extra would Boston pay to move up in next year's draft?
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Post#1253 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:09 pm

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If you are calling him a knockdown 3-point shooter, you don't understand the term.

FWIW, out of 129 qualified players last year, dude was 127th in FG%, 113th in Adj FG%, 117th in points per shot.


FG% dont matter much, when you are a knockdown shooter from 3, which 38%. Only in your weird universe where 38% is not knockdown.


FG% doesn't matter, but his overall level of efficiency does

His 38% from 3 is good. BUT, it doesn't make up for his level of awful shooting from other areas of the court. His 52% TS is far below league average (55.6).


55.6 is the league average for all players at all positions.

The average TS% for guards is closer to 53. The average TS% for wings is 55-56. The average TS% for bigs is closer to 58.

Rozier produces at a slightly below average efficiency for his position.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1254 » by NotALongIslandr » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:12 pm

Gant wrote:Smart on the Kings means all the Kings will play much harder, which will cost the Celtics valuable ping pongs.

The Celtics will be inclined to match at a higher price with Sacramento than any other team.

How much extra would Boston pay to move up in next year's draft?


Not gonna happen. They can play harder all they want. 100% of their wins next year come v. east no matter how hard they play.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1255 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:14 pm

The Kings can front load the crap out of any deal to ensure that we’d be in repeater tax territory sooner than we intended. Even a 4/52 [13M average] could start north of 15M for next season, which would seriously **** us.

If Vlade wants him, it wont be hard to structure a deal that we wont match.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1256 » by cloverleaf » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:17 pm

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In Smart's case, but not Terry's apparently.

Among the many other bad point made in this thread, I also reject the notion that Smart has not improved as a player since his rookie year. He is a much better playmaker, and a much defender than he was coming in. He has also become a team leader, on and off the floor.

I never said he didn’t. My point was Rozier is getting better at a greater and faster rate. Both players can improve at the same time. One has improved more than the other. If Smart wants to be a better playmaker, he needs to cut down on his turnovers drastically. Something he’s been unable to do.


Perception, not reality. Neither are big turnover guys. Terry slightly more efficient in Ast/TO ratio, but Smart is the one who gets called upon to actually run an offense, especially in light of the Hayward and Kyrie injuries.


Terry with a very low 8.5% TOV% (#1 on the C's for those playing more than 7 minutes last season), while Smart's was more than twice as high at 17.4% (dead last on the C's for those playing more than 115 minutes last year).

Meanwhile, TRo has been on a steady trajectory of improvement, including shooting .374 from the 3 before the AS game last season and .394 afterwards. Crazy Brad also played TRo more minutes through the playoffs last year than any other Celtic, including starting him throughout despite Smart being back for the last 15 games of the postseason. Terry averaged 36.6 minutes through the playoffs to Smart's 29.9. For the postseason Terry was played an estimated 94% of his time at PG to Smart's 23%.

Advanced stats also love the guy, with him 3rd on the team for VORP, behind Kyrie and Al.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1257 » by jmr07019 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:38 pm

Fox and smart on the floor together would KILL all spacing.
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Re: A. Sherrod Blakely says Kings preparing Offer Sheet for Smart 

Post#1258 » by truth18 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:46 pm

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Re: A. Sherrod Blakely says Kings preparing Offer Sheet for Smart 

Post#1259 » by truth18 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:46 pm

Afam wrote:Sherrod is not a bad sports reporter. He has broken some sports news .Adrain Wojnarowski gets info from agents and from teams in exchange for favors. Even Chris Broussard said so today. People overhype Adrian Wojonarowski but he is no different from any sports reporter/journalist. Al Sherrod was one of the first people who mentioned the celtics drafting Jaylen Brown. He is not perfect, could do better, but he is ok in my opinion.


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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1260 » by brackdan70 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:48 pm

Welp. I’m cool with whatever. Bird Bird Bird is the word.

Would love Smart back and be able to maneuver under the tax somehow though too. Deal would have to be under 11 for the first year for that to be remotely feasible.
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