FIBA World Cup

[FlatearthZorro]

Jokic D just funny as hell
Dead snail moves faster

Dead snail=Scola

Damn, Scola 20 points barely missed any shots

If Jokic continues getting fatter which he has, he's gonna eat himself out of the league eventually.

[5InOfLouisville]

This is the first game FIBA game I've watched in its entirety, so I am not claiming to be an expert, but going in, I was focused on Jaylen Brown's supposed "inability to pass" and "low basketball IQ", which I see bandied about frequently on RealGM.

His playmaking looked pretty good to me, js.

To be fair, this was just one game.

But do you think that maybe, drawing conclusions either way, based on a couple of International games with unfamiliar teammates and an unfamiliar system is not the best method for evaluating his growth?

I see a young player with a high ceiling. I can't guarantee he will reach it. I agree that he often puts his head down with the goal of getting to the rim no matter what, and sometimes gets tunnel vision.

I don't think that most young wings come into this league as established play makers.

I look forward to seeing him play this year for the Celtics.

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This is the first game FIBA game I've watched in its entirety, so I am not claiming to be an expert, but going in, I was focused on Jaylen Brown's supposed "inability to pass" and "low basketball IQ", which I see bandied about frequently on RealGM.

His playmaking looked pretty good to me, js.

To be fair, this was just one game.

But do you think that maybe, drawing conclusions either way, based on a couple of International games with unfamiliar teammates and an unfamiliar system is not the best method for evaluating his growth?

I see a young player with a high ceiling. I can't guarantee he will reach it. I agree that he often puts his head down with the goal of getting to the rim no matter what, and sometimes gets tunnel vision.

I don't think that most young wings come into this league as established play makers.

I look forward to seeing him play this year for the Celtics.

JB did come into the league as a low BBIQ player and he still had limited vision, handles and decision-making last season. But he's clearly improving and his ceiling is high. Likewise his team D has been inconsistent at best for his first few seasons, but he was always capable of excellent man-D and has been improving on his team D focus as well. By all accounts he is a hard worker who wants to be very good, and it looks like there is no reason he can't be that for the next 12-14 years in the league.

Rob gets slammed as being a low BBIQ player here too, and I just don't see that. I see a young man who, like JB, didn't have the highest level coaching coming up and is still learning the NBA game. But the quickness and decision-making on his passes already tells you that he has huge potential for growth too.

[AKFO]

This is the first game FIBA game I've watched in its entirety, so I am not claiming to be an expert, but going in, I was focused on Jaylen Brown's supposed "inability to pass" and "low basketball IQ", which I see bandied about frequently on RealGM.

His playmaking looked pretty good to me, js.

To be fair, this was just one game.

But do you think that maybe, drawing conclusions either way, based on a couple of International games with unfamiliar teammates and an unfamiliar system is not the best method for evaluating his growth?

I see a young player with a high ceiling. I can't guarantee he will reach it. I agree that he often puts his head down with the goal of getting to the rim no matter what, and sometimes gets tunnel vision.

I don't think that most young wings come into this league as established play makers.

I look forward to seeing him play this year for the Celtics.

I've enjoyed the willingness to pass from Brown yesterday and from Tatum during all of international play. Brown's play yesterday was particularly impressive given how he's played earlier in international action. Jaylen and Jayson have looked markedly better creating for others than guys like Barnes and Middleton. I'm hoping this can translate to the regular season; guys will press less with Morris and Rozier gone hopefully.

[5InOfLouisville]

This is the first game FIBA game I've watched in its entirety, so I am not claiming to be an expert, but going in, I was focused on Jaylen Brown's supposed "inability to pass" and "low basketball IQ", which I see bandied about frequently on RealGM.

His playmaking looked pretty good to me, js.

To be fair, this was just one game.

But do you think that maybe, drawing conclusions either way, based on a couple of International games with unfamiliar teammates and an unfamiliar system is not the best method for evaluating his growth?

I see a young player with a high ceiling. I can't guarantee he will reach it. I agree that he often puts his head down with the goal of getting to the rim no matter what, and sometimes gets tunnel vision.

I don't think that most young wings come into this league as established play makers.

I look forward to seeing him play this year for the Celtics.

JB did come into the league as a low BBIQ player and he still had limited vision, handles and decision-making last season. .

He definitely has areas in which he can improve. I think we essentially said the same thing about his vision, handles and decision-making.

I think "Basketball IQ" is difficult to define. are there myriad 21 year olds with high-basketball iq's? Isn't an adjustment period to the speed and size of the NBA normal?

Again, I don't know. I just think it's hard to determine basketball IQ's, particularly for us message board evaluators.

[cloverleaf]

This is the first game FIBA game I've watched in its entirety, so I am not claiming to be an expert, but going in, I was focused on Jaylen Brown's supposed "inability to pass" and "low basketball IQ", which I see bandied about frequently on RealGM.

His playmaking looked pretty good to me, js.

To be fair, this was just one game.

But do you think that maybe, drawing conclusions either way, based on a couple of International games with unfamiliar teammates and an unfamiliar system is not the best method for evaluating his growth?

I see a young player with a high ceiling. I can't guarantee he will reach it. I agree that he often puts his head down with the goal of getting to the rim no matter what, and sometimes gets tunnel vision.

I don't think that most young wings come into this league as established play makers.

I look forward to seeing him play this year for the Celtics.

JB did come into the league as a low BBIQ player and he still had limited vision, handles and decision-making last season. .

He definitely has areas in which he can improve. I think we essentially said the same thing about his vision, handles and decision-making.

I think "Basketball IQ" is difficult to define. are there myriad 21 year olds with high-basketball iq's? Isn't an adjustment period to the speed and size of the NBA normal?

Again, I don't know. I just think it's hard to determine basketball IQ's, particularly for us message board evaluators.

Like regular IQ's I take BBIQ's to come from a combination of nature and (basketball) nurture. JB for example came into the league beyond his years, as many second-generation pro-basketball players do. But even he is still learning.

But yes, the more normal and average is to take time in the league to learn. JB was IMO behindmost high-potential wings on this front, however, coming into the league.

[jmr07019]

There’s more to BB IQ than shot selection but it is worth noting that Brown, who we say has a low b-ball is, has shot about 29% of his shots from mid range for his career. Tatum, who is generally praised for high b-ball iq, has shot 42% of his shots from mid range in his career.

[London2Boston]

Seems to me that Jaylen is getting praise for his play everywhere except this board lol

Nothing new here.

Spurs will be trying to get him in free agency. I’m sure of it. Maybe then, people will start jumping on the bandwagon.

[cloverleaf]

There’s more to BB IQ than shot selection but it is worth noting that Brown, who we say has a low b-ball is, has shot about 29% of his shots from mid range for his career. Tatum, who is generally praised for high b-ball iq, has shot 42% of his shots from mid range in his career.

Right, but JB and JT have different skillsets and the term BBIQ is generally referred to as speed in making good on-the-court decisions, mid-action, whereas shot selection of the type you're referring to is usually a little more premeditated, shall we say.

If JB keeps learning as he has and JT remains stuck in last year's play, their reputations will end up flipped. Also, remember, JT was younger and playing just his second year, last season.

[keevsnick1]

There’s more to BB IQ than shot selection but it is worth noting that Brown, who we say has a low b-ball is, has shot about 29% of his shots from mid range for his career. Tatum, who is generally praised for high b-ball iq, has shot 42% of his shots from mid range in his career.

Ya I've never understood the urge to label Jaylen "low basketball IQ," to be honest I think he suffers a little from the stigma of being a clearly smart guy playing a sport and theres a weird stereo type that book smart players arent always game smart players.

I mean sure, he's not a great passer. He's not even an okay passer, its a clearly below average skill. But he's more or less usually in the right place on the floor, he takes high percentage shots (3's, at rim), he wants to be a great defender and puts a lot of emphasis on that, he is relatively low turnover guy. I mean besides the passing I really don't se a lot of evidence that he's a low basketball IQ guy. And passing/vision is as much a skill/willingness problems (he does get tunnel vision) as it is a basketball IQ issue.

The playmaking was encouraging especially because those assists were buckets he created. It wasn't just a pass to a guy who just happened to hit a shot. It was Jaylen moving with the ball, the defense reacting because they know he can get to the basket, and Jaylen finding the open man in response to the defense reacting. Those are real assists. But it is just one game, so we will see.

[keevsnick1]

There’s more to BB IQ than shot selection but it is worth noting that Brown, who we say has a low b-ball is, has shot about 29% of his shots from mid range for his career. Tatum, who is generally praised for high b-ball iq, has shot 42% of his shots from mid range in his career.

Right, but JB and JT have different skillsets and the term BBIQ is generally referred to as speed in making good on-the-court decisions, mid-action, whereas shot selection of the type you're referring to is usually a little more premeditated, shall we say.

If JB keeps learning as he has and JT remains stuck in last year's play, their reputations will end up flipped. Also, remember, JT was younger and playing just his second year, last season.

Not sure I agree with this definition. Shot election should be very much a mid action choice, and i'd say premediating and deciding too take a mid ranger is probably even more indicative of a low basketball IQ than making that decision mid action, since literally everybody who knows anything about basketball knows you wnat to avoid those shots.

[Higgs Boston]

A player can't improve dramatically his vision but it can be improved a bit with some exercises and there are tricks on court to be a better passer like passing while jumping (he did sometimes last game), passing while post-up, predicting teammates future positions etc
He has to focus on these things and he will be fine even with average handles.

[FlatearthZorro]

A player can't improve dramatically his vision but it can be improved a bit with some exercises and there are tricks on court to be a better passer like passing while jumping (he did sometimes last game), passing while post-up, predicting teammates future positions etc
He has to focus on these things and he will be fine even with average handles.

Passing while jumping is turnover waiting to happen.

[cloverleaf]

There’s more to BB IQ than shot selection but it is worth noting that Brown, who we say has a low b-ball is, has shot about 29% of his shots from mid range for his career. Tatum, who is generally praised for high b-ball iq, has shot 42% of his shots from mid range in his career.

Right, but JB and JT have different skillsets and the term BBIQ is generally referred to as speed in making good on-the-court decisions, mid-action, whereas shot selection of the type you're referring to is usually a little more premeditated, shall we say.

If JB keeps learning as he has and JT remains stuck in last year's play, their reputations will end up flipped. Also, remember, JT was younger and playing just his second year, last season.

Not sure I agree with this definition. Shot election should be very much a mid action choice, and i'd say premediating and deciding too take a mid ranger is probably even more indicative of a low basketball IQ than making that decision mid action, since literally everybody who knows anything about basketball knows you wnat to avoid those shots.

I don't think that's what was going on with JT. I think he looks at all the MVP-level players in the league and sees that they tend to be high usage players who shoot from all over the floor. He has Kobe reinforcing his thinking that he needs to develop skill shooting from all areas on the floor in order to become one of them. I'd go further and suggest that his coach Drew may have reinforced that last summer. He was more focused on that last year than listening to the C's staff implore him to score more from the basket and the arc.I think Drew is working to get JT back on the program with fewer long 2's, at least--and we can hope that JT is there with him on that.

[cloverleaf]

A player can't improve dramatically his vision but it can be improved a bit with some exercises and there are tricks on court to be a better passer like passing while jumping (he did sometimes last game), passing while post-up, predicting teammates future positions etc
He has to focus on these things and he will be fine even with average handles.

I think players' court vision tends to improve both with experience generally and when more of what they are doing out there is so grooved so that it is automatic and they have more room for peripheral focus and real-time responses to what they see developing.

[BillTheGOAT]

I want Australia v USA in the final. Spain wouldn't be bad but I think Australia-USA would be entertaining as hell.

[reload141]

I want Australia v USA in the final. Spain wouldn't be bad but I think Australia-USA would be entertaining as hell.

Our first top 3 finish would be amazing for Australia.

PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN!!

[Parliament10]

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Argentina and Spain remain Undefeated. As does the USA and Australia.
Argentina and Spain await the Winners, of USA vs France, and Australia vs Czech Republic, respectively.

[Parliament10]

I want Australia v USA in the final. Spain wouldn't be bad but I think Australia-USA would be entertaining as hell.

Our first top 3 finish would be amazing for Australia.

PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN!!

I think it's going to be Australia vs USA, as well.

SHOWDOWN.