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Half-Full wrote:bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
I don't see how Kessler can warrant a haul like that. Not convinced he is better than Queta to begin with.
Half-Full wrote:bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
I don't see how Kessler can warrant a haul like that. Not convinced he is better than Queta to begin with.
playa-hater wrote:Half-Full wrote:bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
I don't see how Kessler can warrant a haul like that. Not convinced he is better than Queta to begin with.
Kessler the talent "may not" warrant a haul like that. But wouldn't that save Boston a ton of money as well? Not saying I would do it. But I would strongly consider it. I guess it depends on how high our protected first would be.
Fierce1 wrote:Half-Full wrote:bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
I don't see how Kessler can warrant a haul like that. Not convinced he is better than Queta to begin with.
Good news is trade proposals from media outlets like Bleacher don't become reality.
That's been the trend the last few years.
It's just a sports writer's opinion.
brackdan70 wrote:playa-hater wrote:Half-Full wrote:
I don't see how Kessler can warrant a haul like that. Not convinced he is better than Queta to begin with.
Kessler the talent "may not" warrant a haul like that. But wouldn't that save Boston a ton of money as well? Not saying I would do it. But I would strongly consider it. I guess it depends on how high our protected first would be.
Yeah it saves a ton and gets out of the tax this year. I personally don’t think it’s worth a first, especially next years first.
Riverwalk2021 wrote:Walker Kessler sounds like the next Olajuwon the way media fawn over this guy. Not impressed.
There are things Queta needs to work on like finishing better around the rim. But he should have played in place of KP with the illnessredslastlaugh wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics and Timberwolves played a combined 26 playoff games last year and the Celtics top two centers for 2025/2026 (Queta, Garza) played a combined 32 minutes in those games. Queta and Garza are a very long way away from being meaningful contributors in the playoffs.
Queta shouldve played though. Coach riding a breathless KP to the second worst (non first round) playoff upset without even trying Neemi was inexplicable.
Queta was effective against KAT when we played the Knicks in the regular season. But then coach didn't call his number in the playoffs which is hardly his fault. That's like saying Aaron Nesmith was a long way off from being meaningful contributor because Ime didn't play him at all in the 2022 playoffs. Nesmith didn't play, I'm not making a judgment either way if the dude literally didn't play.
Two years later, the first year Indy made the playoffs (2024), Nesmith was HUGE a playoff contributor, 17 games played and 33 minutes per game.
Fierce1 wrote:Guess it's Team Trade Simons vs. Team Keep Simons.
jfs1000d wrote:Fierce1 wrote:Guess it's Team Trade Simons vs. Team Keep Simons.
Or, like me, who cares? Trade him now? Sure. Trade him later? Sure. Let him walk for nothing in FA? Shred resign him next year? Sure.
Like, literally, there is no need to get out of his contract. There is no need to rush. This is just a player on a one year deal.
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Celts17Pride wrote:Riverwalk2021 wrote:Walker Kessler sounds like the next Olajuwon the way media fawn over this guy. Not impressed.
I like the player, but I don't think Brad Stevens and the Celtics have any interest in paying a center $22-30 million per year given their salary structure. Kessler has one year left before he gets paid. Celtics will be looking for a center in the non-taxpayer range of $60 million for 4 years. I wouldn't hold my breath on a Celtics Walker Keesler trade.
My biggest fear is the Celtics reach for a center in next year's draft.
Hal14 wrote:brackdan70 wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:
The majority of titles have been won by teams with superstars. There's a small group of teams that have won without superstars... Tatum hasn't proven to be a superstar yet. Hopefully he does in the future...
How do you define superstar? Tatum has been a first team all NBA guy for 4 seasons. Top 6 in MVP voting for 4 seasons. If he isn’t a superstar he is damn close. How he is after recovery of course remains to be seen.
I think LBC is the only one on the planet who doesn't consider Tatum to be a superstar.
brackdan70 wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:Hal14 wrote:Basketball is a team game. I wouldn't fixate too much on how good our starting center is or how good Tatum is compared to guys like LeBron or SGA.
That puts too much emphasis on singular player/position. But it's a team game. Spots 9-15 on your roster don't matter that much. But the top 8 spots *all* matter, as does the head coach. 8 rotation guys + 1 HC = 9 people. All 9 of them matter. We shouldn't overemphasize 1 of them.
Bottom line, to win a championship all you really need is:
-A star who's a top 9 player in the league (Steph was 8th in MVP voting when GS won 2022 title, Kawhi was 9th in MVP voting the year TOR won title). Obviously the higher your best player is ranked, the better your chances are. But once he's back healthy, Tatum should be in that 4-7 range for at least 2 or 3 more seasons. That's our 2-3 season window to win another title.
-A team that collectively (players 1-8 plus your HC) has 9 guys who have enough talent on both ends of the floor to have a chance to be the best in the league
That's it.
The majority of titles have been won by teams with superstars. There's a small group of teams that have won without superstars... Tatum hasn't proven to be a superstar yet. Hopefully he does in the future...
How do you define superstar? Tatum has been a first team all NBA guy for 4 seasons. Top 6 in MVP voting for 4 seasons. If he isn’t a superstar he is damn close. How he is after recovery of course remains to be seen.
CelticFaninLBC wrote:brackdan70 wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:
The majority of titles have been won by teams with superstars. There's a small group of teams that have won without superstars... Tatum hasn't proven to be a superstar yet. Hopefully he does in the future...
How do you define superstar? Tatum has been a first team all NBA guy for 4 seasons. Top 6 in MVP voting for 4 seasons. If he isn’t a superstar he is damn close. How he is after recovery of course remains to be seen.
A guy who is really good in the Finals.
Fierce1 wrote:CelticFaninLBC wrote:brackdan70 wrote:How do you define superstar? Tatum has been a first team all NBA guy for 4 seasons. Top 6 in MVP voting for 4 seasons. If he isn’t a superstar he is damn close. How he is after recovery of course remains to be seen.
A guy who is really good in the Finals.
ESPN pulled the Superman ad when JT tore his achilles.
A superstar is also about marketability.
JT has lots of endorsement deals and multiple commercials on TV.
If your definition of superstar is someone who is really good in the finals then that's your opinion.
So many players inducted into the Hall Of Fame are considered superstars but have not played in the finals.
If JT is not a superstar then the #0 jersey of Tatum should not be in the top 5 in jersey sales.
JT was not efficient shooting the ball in the finals, but he led the team in ppg, rpg, and apg.
That's something only guys like Bird, Olajuwon, and other superstars are capable of.
playa-hater wrote:Perhaps a "Superstar" has some levels to it. My vote is JT is a Low level Superstar.
I think a "higher level" SuperStar should be better in the finals. I think a Superstar can not come so close to winning a title and fail so often. Unless that Superstar loses to another "higher level" Superstar.
Another factor for me is how often a player is in the top 3 in MVP voting. Tatum seems to always be outside of that.. so there is that as well.
