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Re: Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice! 

Post#1321 » by CeltsfaninDC » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:13 pm

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KGboss wrote:I dont understand how people can say players that have never played a minute in the NBA would be so much better long term for this team than Isaiah Thomas who is a top 5 player this year in the league the way he has been playing. Pairing a rookie with AB will do nothing but set this franchise back. At least you know IT wins you games...a lot of games.

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In what **** world is IT a top 5 player in the league?

This is why people make fun of Celtics fans.


In what world is ANY rookie a top 10 player in this league? IT is clearly going to be better than any rookie they draft for at least the next 2-3 years minimum.
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Post#1322 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:14 pm

Trade chatter...
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Post#1323 » by chrisab123 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:23 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:Trade chatter...
Read on Twitter


Nothing really Celtics related. BUT I would be all over Nurkic. Trade multiple non Brooklyn picks and filler.
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Post#1324 » by KGboss » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:54 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
CrowderKeg wrote:Trade chatter...
Read on Twitter


Nothing really Celtics related. BUT I would be all over Nurkic. Trade multiple non Brooklyn picks and filler.

Zeller, Rozier and Memphis and Clipper first rounders for Nurkic and filler

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Post#1325 » by 165bows » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:56 pm

Nurkic is, as they say, the new Josh Smith. No assets for that guy.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18513891/zach-lowe-10-things-like-featuring-ricky-rubio-renaissance-nba

Good blurb about what an absolute turnover machine he is.

Also nice bit about Smart's post up game.
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Post#1326 » by Banks2Pierce » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:03 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:In what world is ANY rookie a top 10 player in this league? IT is clearly going to be better than any rookie they draft for at least the next 2-3 years minimum.


I think Jokic, Towns, Turner, Porzingis, and Embiid are already close or better than Thomas. Point guard defense probably matters less than at any other position, but he's clearly a major negative at that end and you have to include that in the whole evaluation of him. MVP consideration is laughable.
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Post#1327 » by OFWGKTA » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:08 pm

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CeltsfaninDC wrote:In what world is ANY rookie a top 10 player in this league? IT is clearly going to be better than any rookie they draft for at least the next 2-3 years minimum.


I think Jokic, Towns, Turner, Porzingis, and Embiid are already close or better than Thomas. Point guard defense probably matters less than at any other position, but he's clearly a major negative at that end and you have to include that in the whole evaluation of him. MVP consideration is laughable.



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Post#1328 » by Banks2Pierce » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:12 pm

OFWGKTA wrote:

Steve Nash won 2 MVPs


He was more passable on D due to his size and ran offenses that had to be ranked historically for context. We're 7th in O. He may have also not deserved them. Not sure.
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Post#1329 » by pasfru » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:16 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
Fruit Pastilles wrote:
KGboss wrote:I dont understand how people can say players that have never played a minute in the NBA would be so much better long term for this team than Isaiah Thomas who is a top 5 player this year in the league the way he has been playing. Pairing a rookie with AB will do nothing but set this franchise back. At least you know IT wins you games...a lot of games.

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In what **** world is IT a top 5 player in the league?

This is why people make fun of Celtics fans.


In what world is ANY rookie a top 10 player in this league? IT is clearly going to be better than any rookie they draft for at least the next 2-3 years minimum.

With that logic, we may as well just be the New York Knicks forever.
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Post#1330 » by chrisab123 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:23 pm

KGboss wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
CrowderKeg wrote:Trade chatter...
Read on Twitter


Nothing really Celtics related. BUT I would be all over Nurkic. Trade multiple non Brooklyn picks and filler.

Zeller, Rozier and Memphis and Clipper first rounders for Nurkic and filler

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You had me at Zeller.
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Post#1331 » by chrisab123 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:24 pm

165bows wrote:Nurkic is, as they say, the new Josh Smith. No assets for that guy.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18513891/zach-lowe-10-things-like-featuring-ricky-rubio-renaissance-nba

Good blurb about what an absolute turnover machine he is.

Also nice bit about Smart's post up game.


They currently have Zeller Amir and Mickey....

50 TOs nightly would be an improvement....
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Post#1332 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:37 pm

You don't need to give up Rozier and 2 1sts for Nurkic. His value's not that high.

Nurkic, I'd guess, is turning the ball over more because he's being asked to handle it in sets/plays designed for Jokic. He's young, he may be able to cut down. Giving him a year or two to work on it is fine. You're not getting him for his playmaking, you're getting him for his defense and rebounding.
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Post#1333 » by gocelts » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:51 pm

No no no to all these teams table scraps. This season is what it is and is pretty much over as we don't get past Cleveland.

The realty is our top three pick will likely be a guard, and we already have IT...we should plan accordingly and start looking at deals involving anyone but our nets picks, IT and Horford to get another all star front court player or wing. Brown, Bradley, Smart, Crowder, Olynyk can all go as long as we get a high level player back.

Millsap is the only player rumored available that can carry us into next year with IT, Horford, and whomever we draft.

Bottom line is we need to stop thinking about deals for this year and think about next and be in concert with the draft. If no trade is there, then the free agent market should be plan B.
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Post#1334 » by b3n » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:52 pm

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sarcasma wrote:Heres a thought, Boston trades the NETS 2017 which ends up #1 overall for the 76ers and Lakers pick this year. Say its 3 and 5 would you do it?

No. Not worth it if you're sitting at #1. Take the best player in the draft and keep moving.

I would definitely consider dealing them AB for Noel and the worse of their two 2017 picks though. I saw it proposed by a Sixer fan on the T&T board and I think the majority of their fanbase wouldn't be up for it, but as they continue to win it's looking increasingly likely that they end up with a worse pick than the Lakers.

It'd essentially be the Sixers betting on themselves in the 2nd half of the year with AB and Simmons being added to the squad that they'll end up as an end of the lottery team. If they end up in the 11-14 range it's a great deal for them. If they end up in the 8-10 range it's fair. And if it ends up being top 7 Boston gets a steal.



It all depends on whether we're actually sitting at #1. If you're willing to gamble I think another spin on this could be AB & BK17 for Noel, Covington, Philly 17' and LA 17' before the deadline. That pick looks great now, but there's still a lot of ball to be played this season. The BK 17' could easily slip to #3 (or another team could win the lottery). I'd roll the dice banking on it not staying #1 (Miami & Dallas scare me). Even if those two picks end up say, #5 & #9 I think it's a win. Yes, Fultz looks like a stud, but guys like Smith, Jackson & Tatum look like great players too. I think it could prove prudent to nab Noel now and then draft, for example, a combo of Jackson/Isaac (or really swing for the fences with Giles).

(There's also the long shot that either of those picks wins the lottery.)
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Post#1335 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:58 pm

Any top 5 pick will do in the 2017 draft. It's loaded. I don't really care if the Celtics get #1 overall. In fact, I wouldn't be upset if Ainge pulled a Belichick and traded #1 to Philadelphia for #3 and #7. Just to mention one scenario, I would be delighted if the Celtics got Ntilikina with #3 and either Issac or Tatum with #7.
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Post#1336 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:13 pm

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cl2117 wrote:
sarcasma wrote:Heres a thought, Boston trades the NETS 2017 which ends up #1 overall for the 76ers and Lakers pick this year. Say its 3 and 5 would you do it?

No. Not worth it if you're sitting at #1. Take the best player in the draft and keep moving.

I would definitely consider dealing them AB for Noel and the worse of their two 2017 picks though. I saw it proposed by a Sixer fan on the T&T board and I think the majority of their fanbase wouldn't be up for it, but as they continue to win it's looking increasingly likely that they end up with a worse pick than the Lakers.

It'd essentially be the Sixers betting on themselves in the 2nd half of the year with AB and Simmons being added to the squad that they'll end up as an end of the lottery team. If they end up in the 11-14 range it's a great deal for them. If they end up in the 8-10 range it's fair. And if it ends up being top 7 Boston gets a steal.



It all depends on whether we're actually sitting at #1. If you're willing to gamble I think another spin on this could be AB & BK17 for Noel, Covington, Philly 17' and LA 17' before the deadline. That pick looks great now, but there's still a lot of ball to be played this season. The BK 17' could easily slip to #3 (or another team could win the lottery). I'd roll the dice banking on it not staying #1 (Miami & Dallas scare me). Even if those two picks end up say, #5 & #9 I think it's a win. Yes, Fultz looks like a stud, but guys like Smith, Jackson & Tatum look like great players too. I think it could prove prudent to nab Noel now and then draft, for example, a combo of Jackson/Isaac (or really swing for the fences with Giles).

(There's also the long shot that either of those picks wins the lottery.)


Interesting idea, but way too much risk for everyone involved. LA pick reverts to Lakers if it lands in the top 3.
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Post#1337 » by b3n » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:21 pm

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cl2117 wrote:No. Not worth it if you're sitting at #1. Take the best player in the draft and keep moving.

I would definitely consider dealing them AB for Noel and the worse of their two 2017 picks though. I saw it proposed by a Sixer fan on the T&T board and I think the majority of their fanbase wouldn't be up for it, but as they continue to win it's looking increasingly likely that they end up with a worse pick than the Lakers.

It'd essentially be the Sixers betting on themselves in the 2nd half of the year with AB and Simmons being added to the squad that they'll end up as an end of the lottery team. If they end up in the 11-14 range it's a great deal for them. If they end up in the 8-10 range it's fair. And if it ends up being top 7 Boston gets a steal.



It all depends on whether we're actually sitting at #1. If you're willing to gamble I think another spin on this could be AB & BK17 for Noel, Covington, Philly 17' and LA 17' before the deadline. That pick looks great now, but there's still a lot of ball to be played this season. The BK 17' could easily slip to #3 (or another team could win the lottery). I'd roll the dice banking on it not staying #1 (Miami & Dallas scare me). Even if those two picks end up say, #5 & #9 I think it's a win. Yes, Fultz looks like a stud, but guys like Smith, Jackson & Tatum look like great players too. I think it could prove prudent to nab Noel now and then draft, for example, a combo of Jackson/Isaac (or really swing for the fences with Giles).

(There's also the long shot that either of those picks wins the lottery.)


Interesting idea, but way too much risk for everyone involved. LA pick reverts to Lakers if it lands in the top 3.


Yeah, you'd have to have a serious pair to pull the trigger on that & agree that there's probably too much risk for it to ever occur. I guess my main point was this:

Curmudgeon wrote:Any top 5 pick will do in the 2017 draft. It's loaded. I don't really care if the Celtics get #1 overall. In fact, I wouldn't be upset if Ainge pulled a Belichick and traded #1 to Philadelphia for #3 and #7. Just to mention one scenario, I would be delighted if the Celtics got Ntilikina with #3 and either Issac or Tatum with #7.


I like the idea of two top 10 picks (one being 3-5) in this draft more than #1 overall.
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Post#1338 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:33 pm

That's something more likely to happen after the lottery. I could see Orlando or New Orleans theoretically giving up their pick mid-season, but whoever we gave them would make them good enough for the pick to lose value. Crowder for Lavine was one idea, wonder if they'd deal their pick instead. Or Bradley for Noel/LAL pick. We'd have to figure out the cap implications on that one, but it's a trade I think you'd have to say yes to.
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Post#1339 » by watsonthedragon » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:39 pm

Stein reporting Nuggets are trying to trade center Jusuf Nurkic before the deadline.
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Post#1340 » by CelticFaninLBC » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:47 pm

What's the value of Vucevic? Supposedly Orlando offered Vucevic and a 1st for Dragic, but Miami already has a center.

If Boston got involved in a 3 way deal, Vucevic would solve Boston's rebounding problem, but not sure what else he'd help with.

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