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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1421 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 8:55 pm

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Gant wrote:Will Amari Williams get a two way over Luis or Norris? Or will he get a regular roster spot?


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RJ Luis is signed to a two-year two-way contract. He’ll fill the Celtics open two-way spot. Boston’s other two current two-way players are Miles Norris and rookie Max Shulga.

Chris Boucher will be on a vet mnimum deal and will fill the spot opened up by trading Georges Niang to Utah.

Boston has one open roster spot and is about $7.8M under the second apron.

Celtics are subtly tanking so I would assume Amari Williams gets a regular roster spot.

Tanking?

Cs just went from Niang to Boucher.

Not only did Brad address the big man issue, Brad also shed millions by trading Niang for no salary returning to the Cs.

Boucher alone adds 5 wins to the regular season.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1422 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 8:57 pm

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bfchs123 wrote:Like it a lot, much better fit at PF than Niang

True.

Going from Niang to Boucher is an upgrade.

Cs just added a few more wins in the regular season.

That's debatable.

The rim protection alone from Boucher is a big boost.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1423 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Aug 5, 2025 8:58 pm

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Gant wrote:Will Amari Williams get a two way over Luis or Norris? Or will he get a regular roster spot?


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Celtics are subtly tanking so I would assume Amari Williams gets a regular roster spot.

Tanking?

Cs just went from Niang to Boucher.

Not only did Brad address the big man issue, Brad also shed millions by trading Niang for no salary returning to the Cs.

Boucher alone adds 5 wins to the regular season.

Boucher is so good that he had to take a 1 year vet min deal in free agency. Championship! :wink:
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1424 » by Hal14 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:00 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:True.

Going from Niang to Boucher is an upgrade.

Cs just added a few more wins in the regular season.

That's debatable.

The rim protection alone from Boucher is a big boost.

"big" boost seems like hyperbole. His BLK% has been declining each year for awhile now..was just 2.8 last year..decent but not much to write home about.

Niang is a more consistent shooter, better passer, better at handling the ball, creating off the bounce..is tougher, more physical..

They're both 32 yrs old..they're both role player vets who are decent but not great..decent players as like the 7th/8th man in your rotation..

Who's better is a matter of preference imo.

Main difference is the cheaper contract for Boucher..
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1425 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:00 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics are subtly tanking so I would assume Amari Williams gets a regular roster spot.

Tanking?

Cs just went from Niang to Boucher.

Not only did Brad address the big man issue, Brad also shed millions by trading Niang for no salary returning to the Cs.

Boucher alone adds 5 wins to the regular season.

Boucher is so good that he had to take a 1 year vet min deal in free agency. Championship! :wink:

You're missing the point.

Boucher is an upgrade over Niang.

Cs needed frontcourt help and Brad just did that.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1426 » by Gant » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:02 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics are subtly tanking so I would assume Amari Williams gets a regular roster spot.

Tanking?

Cs just went from Niang to Boucher.

Not only did Brad address the big man issue, Brad also shed millions by trading Niang for no salary returning to the Cs.

Boucher alone adds 5 wins to the regular season.

Boucher is so good that he had to take a 1 year vet min deal in free agency. Championship! :wink:


Boucher is good. He's better than Niang and has length. Like Bassey, health has been an issue, which is a factor in their availability.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1427 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:04 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:That's debatable.

The rim protection alone from Boucher is a big boost.

"big" boost seems like hyperbole. His BLK% has been declining each year for awhile now..was just 2.8 last year..decent but not much to write home about.

Niang is a more consistent shooter, better passer, better at handling the ball, creating off the bounce..is tougher, more physical..

Niang is the better offensive player, no doubt about that.

But it's about need.

Cs needed frontcourt help and Brad just did that.

You get nothing fron Niang when it comes to rim protection.

This about need and fit, not who the better player is.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1428 » by chrisab123 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:09 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Tanking?

Cs just went from Niang to Boucher.

Not only did Brad address the big man issue, Brad also shed millions by trading Niang for no salary returning to the Cs.

Boucher alone adds 5 wins to the regular season.

Boucher is so good that he had to take a 1 year vet min deal in free agency. Championship! :wink:

You're missing the point.

Boucher is an upgrade over Niang.

Cs needed frontcourt help and Brad just did that.


Yeah Boucher isn’t amazing but he’s also not the guy you sign if you’re bottoming out.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1429 » by Gant » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:09 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:The rim protection alone from Boucher is a big boost.

"big" boost seems like hyperbole. His BLK% has been declining each year for awhile now..was just 2.8 last year..decent but not much to write home about.

Niang is a more consistent shooter, better passer, better at handling the ball, creating off the bounce..is tougher, more physical..

Niang is the better offensive player, no doubt about that.

But it's about need.

Cs needed frontcourt help and Brad just did that.

You get nothing fron Niang when it comes to rim protection.

This about need and fit, not who the better player is.


Niang's not better offensively overall, though he's way better from 3. Per minute, Boucher scored a little better and also more efficiently than Niang last year.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1430 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:10 pm

Gant wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Tanking?

Cs just went from Niang to Boucher.

Not only did Brad address the big man issue, Brad also shed millions by trading Niang for no salary returning to the Cs.

Boucher alone adds 5 wins to the regular season.

Boucher is so good that he had to take a 1 year vet min deal in free agency. Championship! :wink:


Boucher is good. He's better than Niang and has length. Like Bassey, health has been an issue, which is a factor in their availability.

Don't get me wrong, this is a good signing for the Celtics and he will help. This is not a game changer.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1431 » by playa-hater » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:10 pm

Still wish we could trade Hauser (my one time binky) for a late first or even a high 2nd rder. Save some money and open up more PT for Rico and Hugo. All while tanking better.

I also think with this current roster, we have a better chance to be a bottom feeder with TOP 7 pick potential than a playoff team.

Boston needs to embrace a full tank. Play Brown and White much less this year.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1432 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:12 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:Boucher is so good that he had to take a 1 year vet min deal in free agency. Championship! :wink:

You're missing the point.

Boucher is an upgrade over Niang.

Cs needed frontcourt help and Brad just did that.


Yeah Boucher isn’t amazing but he’s also not the guy you sign if you’re bottoming out.

Bingo!

This is 5 more wins in the regular season.

Boucher is a proven NBA veteran player.

Last season Boucher was limited to 17 minutes per game because the Raps were auditioning the young players.

Boucher will be more productive with more playing time with the Cs.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1433 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:12 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:Boucher is so good that he had to take a 1 year vet min deal in free agency. Championship! :wink:

You're missing the point.

Boucher is an upgrade over Niang.

Cs needed frontcourt help and Brad just did that.


Yeah Boucher isn’t amazing but he’s also not the guy you sign if you’re bottoming out.

Depends what you mean by bottoming out. I've been on record that the Celtics are a 38 win team. This changes little for me. 38-39 wins. You predict 42 wins. Our predictions are close.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1434 » by Parliament10 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:13 pm

So. let me get this Straight.
Did we just Trade for a Two-Way player, in Luis, Jr.?
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1435 » by jmr07019 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:13 pm

Does trading Hauser get us under the lux tax? Keeping Simons over Hauser is a no brainer
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1436 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:14 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:Boucher is so good that he had to take a 1 year vet min deal in free agency. Championship! :wink:


Boucher is good. He's better than Niang and has length. Like Bassey, health has been an issue, which is a factor in their availability.

Don't get me wrong, this is a good signing for the Celtics and he will help. This is not a game changer.

Not a game changer, but will add a few more wins.

So it's premature to say the Cs are tanking.
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Post#1437 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:15 pm

Parliament10 wrote:So. let me get this Straight.
Did we just Trade for a Two-Way player, in Luis, Jr.?

Yes.

Niang for Luis Jr.

Cs get no salary returning for Niang's 8m.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1438 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:16 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
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Boucher is good. He's better than Niang and has length. Like Bassey, health has been an issue, which is a factor in their availability.

Don't get me wrong, this is a good signing for the Celtics and he will help. This is not a game changer.

Not a game changer, but will add a few more wins.

So it's premature to say the Cs are tanking.

Again, it depends how you define tanking. You can find 10 posts in this forum of me saying the Celtics are a 9th-11th seed and 38 win team. To me that's subtly tanking. Celtics will be the last 5 years Atlanta Hawks.
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Post#1439 » by Hal14 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:18 pm

Parliament10 wrote:I think Amari is out in the cold, for the moment.
Telling, that he hadn't signed the Two-Way deal.

Amari is not out in the cold.

We just drafted him. The question is not whether he will get a contract or not. The question is simply whether he'll get a standard contract or a 2-way.

You don't draft a guy and just not sign him to any type of contract. That's not something that happens. That would be really bad asset management.

When you draft a guy, there's 3 options:
a) sign him to standard contract
b) sign him to a 2-way
c) stash him overseas

Considering Williams was a college player and has never played overseas pro ball, the chances of him being stashed overseas are like 1 or 2%.

It's either a standard contract or a 2-way. Probably a 2-way, with either Norris or Luis getting waived.

Out of the players who were drafted in the 46-59 range in this year's draft:
-2 of them are being stashed overseas
-6 of them have been signed (5 of them signed a 2-way contract while 1 of them, Tyrese Proctor signed a 4 yr rookie contract)
-6 of them haven't been signed yet, including Amari

I believe in last year's draft, the only guy who didn't get signed to either a standard contract or a 2-way was Nikola Djurisic and that was an outlier case because he suffered an injury (in summer league, i believe) that kept him out for pretty much the entire season so it didn't really make sense to use a 2-way slot on him and it didn't make sense to stash him overseas and make an overseas team pay his salary if he was gonna be injured for basically the whole season so the Hawks just had him come back late in the season on a regular g league contract and play some games with their g league team..then, this summer he signed a 3 year rookie contract with the Hawks.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1440 » by Hal14 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:20 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:You're missing the point.

Boucher is an upgrade over Niang.

Cs needed frontcourt help and Brad just did that.


Yeah Boucher isn’t amazing but he’s also not the guy you sign if you’re bottoming out.

Bingo!

This is 5 more wins in the regular season.

Boucher is a proven NBA veteran player.

So is Niang.

Going from Niang to Boucher does *not* add 5 wins for the Celtics. Stop it.

All this does is save us $ on the tax bill..
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