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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: All-NBA, 2023 (PotM - Oct/Nov, 2023) 

Post#1561 » by JimmyPlopper » Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:11 am

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Post#1562 » by GoGreen » Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:25 am

Patsfan1081 wrote:All you need are eyes to tell you JT needs to clean up his shot selection. Problem is however that I highly doubt anyone is pushing him to do so. He doesn’t get the same criticism JB does and you know the coaching staff is just telling him to launch. His assist% peaked two years ago when they got to the finals and is down a couple percentage points since. They’ve added two good scorers this year, that should be going in the other direction.


Yea, don't think anyone is pushing him about this either. The coaching staff needs to be on him about this stuff.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: All-NBA, 2023 (PotM - Oct/Nov 23) 

Post#1563 » by KillahGhostface » Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:34 am

Patsfan1081 wrote:All you need are eyes to tell you JT needs to clean up his shot selection. Problem is however that I highly doubt anyone is pushing him to do so. He doesn’t get the same criticism JB does and you know the coaching staff is just telling him to launch. His assist% peaked two years ago when they got to the finals and is down a couple percentage points since. They’ve added two good scorers this year, that should be going in the other direction.


What a load of crap lol. He doesn’t get the same criticism Jaylen does? By who? The coaching staff? The same ones that Jaylen has gone on the record about trusting him to do more and more on ball? The staff tells the whole team to launch.

As for the passing, he’s averaging more potential assists per game than the finals year, and the same as last year, despite his usage being way down. It’s a matter of shot variance.

He just needs to cut down on the pull-ups by 1 or 2 a game. That’s literally his only issue.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: All-NBA, 2023 (PotM - Oct/Nov, 2023) 

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Post#1565 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:07 pm

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My only complaints are his pullup threes (make more or take less), his EOQ IQ, and if we're nitpicking, he sometimes slows possessions down (could be fatigue?) and we end up initiating offense late in the clock.
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Post#1566 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:58 pm

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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: All-NBA, 2023 (PotM - Oct/Nov, 2023) 

Post#1567 » by bigboi » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:02 am

What does Tatum need to take a SGA type step? We would’ve been a dynasty by now if he took that step…
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: All-NBA, 2023 (PotM - Oct/Nov, 2023) 

Post#1568 » by Fierce1 » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:22 am

Just give Tatum time.

That's all he needs.

The guy is just 25 years old.

Regarding dynasty, this will be the first year of the 6-year window that Wyc Grousbeck is talking about.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: All-NBA, 2023 (PotM - Oct/Nov, 2023) 

Post#1569 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Jan 1, 2024 8:18 am



It's reached national media attention... "more drives, less pullup threes." (4:03 of vid)
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Post#1570 » by tfmiii » Mon Jan 1, 2024 6:18 pm

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It's reached national media attention... "more drives, less pullup threes." (4:03 of vid)

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Post#1571 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Jan 1, 2024 7:38 pm

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Dunno what this is based on, but Tatum has 7th highest peak among players whose peak occurred in the last 5 years.
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Post#1572 » by KillahGhostface » Mon Jan 1, 2024 8:56 pm

That minutes gap between Tatum and the next closest guy is insane.

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Post#1573 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Jan 2, 2024 3:51 am

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Post#1574 » by Patsfan1081 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 9:16 am

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Patsfan1081 wrote:All you need are eyes to tell you JT needs to clean up his shot selection. Problem is however that I highly doubt anyone is pushing him to do so. He doesn’t get the same criticism JB does and you know the coaching staff is just telling him to launch. His assist% peaked two years ago when they got to the finals and is down a couple percentage points since. They’ve added two good scorers this year, that should be going in the other direction.


What a load of crap lol. He doesn’t get the same criticism Jaylen does? By who? The coaching staff? The same ones that Jaylen has gone on the record about trusting him to do more and more on ball? The staff tells the whole team to launch.

As for the passing, he’s averaging more potential assists per game than the finals year, and the same as last year, despite his usage being way down. It’s a matter of shot variance.

He just needs to cut down on the pull-ups by 1 or 2 a game. That’s literally his only issue.


By us, you can’t tell me that JB doesn’t get a lot more on these boards. Im sure the coaching staff tells everyone to launch threes, Im not saying either gets special treatment from them. But my opinion is I see JT taking more bad shots, which is concerning since everything goes through him in crunch time and it’s not just one or two ill advised pull ups. He is now below the league average from three for a second strait year. And we’ve seen JT clean up his game during national televised games. It shouldn’t take him the playoffs to average 5/6 assists a game, most great wings do during the season. Ill admit they’ve been better as of late, but he falls back into bad happens when things are going good.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: All-NBA, 2023 (PotM - Oct/Nov, 2023) 

Post#1575 » by Patsfan1081 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 9:23 am

bigboi wrote:What does Tatum need to take a SGA type step? We would’ve been a dynasty by now if he took that step…


SGA cut his three point attemps down and still creates six assists per game despite playing alongside a traditional pg and a great passing big man. I don’t think we’ll ever see JT cut down to three attempts a game but he should be able to clean up his game a bit and get the assist numbers up.
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Post#1576 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Jan 2, 2024 2:55 pm

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Post#1577 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jan 3, 2024 12:55 am

Patsfan1081 wrote:
bigboi wrote:What does Tatum need to take a SGA type step? We would’ve been a dynasty by now if he took that step…


SGA cut his three point attemps down and still creates six assists per game despite playing alongside a traditional pg and a great passing big man. I don’t think we’ll ever see JT cut down to three attempts a game but he should be able to clean up his game a bit and get the assist numbers up.


Shai has a higher Usage so that should probably translate higher. He's a G while Tatum is an F. Not really that hard to figure out. As previously stated. If Tatum replaces a couple of those pullup 3's with postups or drives we're golden. We know that shot isn't coming out of his repertoire so maybe just a couple less. Otherwise, defense is great. Passing is great. Scoring is great. Nothing else to complain about.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: All-NBA, 2023 (PotM - Oct/Nov, 2023) 

Post#1578 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Wed Jan 3, 2024 9:55 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:

It's reached national media attention... "more drives, less pullup threes." (4:03 of vid)

All part of Tatum's long con to lull defenders into loading up on his side step three before blowing by everybody to the rim in the playoffs :nod:
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Post#1579 » by GrandTheftRondo » Thu Jan 4, 2024 2:33 am

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bigboi wrote:What does Tatum need to take a SGA type step? We would’ve been a dynasty by now if he took that step…


SGA cut his three point attemps down and still creates six assists per game despite playing alongside a traditional pg and a great passing big man. I don’t think we’ll ever see JT cut down to three attempts a game but he should be able to clean up his game a bit and get the assist numbers up.


Shai has a higher Usage so that should probably translate higher. He's a G while Tatum is an F. Not really that hard to figure out. As previously stated. If Tatum replaces a couple of those pullup 3's with postups or drives we're golden. We know that shot isn't coming out of his repertoire so maybe just a couple less. Otherwise, defense is great. Passing is great. Scoring is great. Nothing else to complain about.

SGA actually embraces the mid range game unlike Tatum who has had it almost completely coached out of him.

I’m fine with Tatum attempting more 3s than he did at the start of the career but completely avoiding the mid range leads to some ugly shooting nights for him and makes him easier to defend.

There’s still value in your superstar being able to work in the mid range area. KD does it, SGA does it, Kawhi does it.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: All-NBA, 2023 (PotM - Oct/Nov, 2023) 

Post#1580 » by Fierce1 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 2:40 am

What went unnoticed is JT still trusting his teammates even when they were missing shots against OKC.

JT for sure would have gotten a triple double if some of those 3s fell.

Still not a finished product, but JT is getting there when it comes to becoming a complete player.

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