Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[CelticFaninLBC]

Pretty much every advanced stat says otherwise.

Also, Hauser was often times getting minutes over Grant last season. Grant also often times tried to do too much off the dribble, like at the end of the Bucks game where he pumped faked on a 3, tried to drive on Giannis, failed miserably, turning it over and losing us the game - and the 1 seed.

Or how how about when he lost us the game vs cleveland, by missing 2 FT's, after telling Mitchell "I'ma make em both" ?

Or how about when he got beat off the dribble in the ECF by duncan robinson? Probably the first and only time ever in his NBA career that robinson blew by a defender. Meanwhile, Hauser was locking up Trae Young in the playoffs:

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Lastly, Grant Williams is irrelevant to the discussion we were having. We weren't discussing Hauser vs Grant Williams. We were discussing whether Hauser is an adequate 8th man. To add to the discussion, I posted a chart that showed the projected 8th man for a bunch of other teams in the league. I made the point that you could argue Hauser is just as good as any other guy on that list (especially in terms of the way he fits with this celtics team, the role we need him to play and how well he fits that role). Grant Williams is probably gonna start for Dallas - he is not the mavericks 8th man, so he's not relevant to that particular discussion.

Grant >>> Hauser in the playoffs, which is all that matters most.

As i just pointed out in my post, in the playoffs Grant was getting beat off the dribble by Duncan Robinson (it was probably the first and only time Robinson ever blew by a defender like that in his NBA career)..Meanwhile, in the playoffs Hauser was locking up Trae Young and any other Hawks player who tried to take him off the dribble.

In the playoffs, Hauser's net rating was +13.1. Grant's was -4.

And again, Grant Williams is irrelevant to the discussion we were having. We weren't discussing Hauser vs Grant Williams. We were discussing whether Hauser is an adequate 8th man. To add to the discussion, I posted a chart that showed the projected 8th man for a bunch of other teams in the league. I made the point that you could argue Hauser is just as good as any other guy on that list (especially in terms of the way he fits with this celtics team, the role we need him to play and how well he fits that role). Grant Williams is probably gonna start for Dallas - he is not the mavericks 8th man, so he's not relevant to that particular discussion.

Advanced stats told me the Celtics were winning the title in 2022.

Advanced stats are nice for the regular season but is more to the game than what some nerd model predicts.

[ryan in Maine]

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That's what I said!

He was going out to bring in our 2A/B player. Clippers could end up with regrets.

[darrendaye]

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That's what I said!

He was going out to bring in our 2A/B player. Clippers could end up with regrets.

I remember.

I do wonder what chain of events that would have set off, however.

[darrendaye]

Best way I can describe the benefit of keeping Brogdon is it allows you to field a closing unit where you 4 guys who can attack the paint and shoot the 3. With 8 seconds on the shot clock you can inventory which of the non-Tatum guys has the best matchup and move them to the opposite wing and get a paint touch and score or kick-out rather than Tatum diddling with the ball for a side-step 3 against the opponent's best defender.

[Fierce1]

Like I said, Brogdon is not going anywhere.

He's more valuable to the team now that Smart is gone.

Maybe Bojan Bogdanovic is the better player, but Brogdon is the better fit because he is a PG, who can also play SG, while Bogdanovic plays Forward and the Celts have JT and JB at that position.

The Cs will be more balanced with White, Brogs, and PP as the PGs.

[captain green]

To give some perspective to the folks who are anti-Hauser or think we need to acquire a better 8th man:



-If you think some other guy is the 8th man for a team instead of the guy I put, that's not really the point of this. It's just to give a rough idea of how Hauser stacks up compared to the other 8th men out there. Let's not over-analyze it. If you think some other guy is the 8th man for a team besides the guy I put, chances are they aren't much better than the guy I listed so saying that is pointless.

-IMO, there is not a single player on this list who I would say will clearly, no question about it be a better player than Hauser this season. I feel like pretty much all of these guys are in the same ballpark, give or take. Except maybe Peyton Watson - Denver really needs him to take a leap this season (or hope that someone else steps up as an 8th man). But more likely, I think denver will add another player before the season starts, cause at the moment their bench is pretty weak.

-I'm pretty sure that if I added TS%, Net Rating, BPM and some other advanced stats to this, Hauser would look even better compared to these other guys.

-Also keep in mind Hauser is still just 25, still getting better. Only 2 years in the NBA so far..and only 1 season where he got rotation minutes. He made a big leap in year 2 last season (especially defensively), and he's likely to make another leap this season in year 3

Well for starters that list is flawed I checked just the Denver list it's not Peyton Watson it's Jeff green 8th mpg avg 7.8ppg also your grizzlies was wrong too it's not konchar it's t Jones 8th mpg avg 10.3ppg which leads me to believe this list is bunk but I'd rather have everyone on that list except the two that shouldn't be in the list. I stop checking after that false list came up two names ( probably more) also it's not playoffs list either so this list busted

Jeff Green is no longer on the nuggets and tyus jones is no longer on the grizzlies.

I didn't base this off last year's stats. It's based on who I'm (roughly) projecting each team's 8th man to be this upcoming season.

So your guess 8th man rotation list ok well that nails why the list isn't viable. I used mpg and who was the 8th most per playoff and regular season some of these names won't make that list when said and done

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

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[Floody100]

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What a lucky woman.

[shackles10]

I swear I remember Luke talking about how corny his wife believes him to be in interviews. Not that we need another reason to think that’s a fake rumor though.

[zoyathedestroya]

I swear I remember Luke talking about how corny his wife believes him to be in interviews. Not that we need another reason to think that’s a fake rumor though.

Cos it is a fake humor. Dunno if bigfoot really believed the tweet or just found it funny and had to share.

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[Floody100]

You know it’s the middle of the off season when Ariana Grande of all people is making the Celtics RealGM trade forum lol

[Curmudgeon]

Isn't Ariana Grande barely 5 feet tall? LOL. Has to be a joke.

[steefP2]

To give some perspective to the folks who are anti-Hauser or think we need to acquire a better 8th man:



-If you think some other guy is the 8th man for a team instead of the guy I put, that's not really the point of this. It's just to give a rough idea of how Hauser stacks up compared to the other 8th men out there. Let's not over-analyze it. If you think some other guy is the 8th man for a team besides the guy I put, chances are they aren't much better than the guy I listed so saying that is pointless.

-IMO, there is not a single player on this list who I would say will clearly, no question about it be a better player than Hauser this season. I feel like pretty much all of these guys are in the same ballpark, give or take. Except maybe Peyton Watson - Denver really needs him to take a leap this season (or hope that someone else steps up as an 8th man). But more likely, I think denver will add another player before the season starts, cause at the moment their bench is pretty weak.

-I'm pretty sure that if I added TS%, Net Rating, BPM and some other advanced stats to this, Hauser would look even better compared to these other guys.

-Also keep in mind Hauser is still just 25, still getting better. Only 2 years in the NBA so far..and only 1 season where he got rotation minutes. He made a big leap in year 2 last season (especially defensively), and he's likely to make another leap this season in year 3

Well for starters that list is flawed I checked just the Denver list it's not Peyton Watson it's Jeff green 8th mpg avg 7.8ppg also your grizzlies was wrong too it's not konchar it's t Jones 8th mpg avg 10.3ppg which leads me to believe this list is bunk but I'd rather have everyone on that list except the two that shouldn't be in the list. I stop checking after that false list came up two names ( probably more) also it's not playoffs list either so this list busted

Jeff Green is no longer on the nuggets and tyus jones is no longer on the grizzlies.

I didn't base this off last year's stats. It's based on who I'm (roughly) projecting each team's 8th man to be this upcoming season.

Your list is still flawed then since Milton isn’t on the sixers.

[steefP2]

Also saying hauser was better in the playoffs than grant is laughable. Grant wasn’t good or anything but he still played +250 minutes where hauser only saw a 100 minutes. The sample is just too small to conclude anything about hauser. He wasn’t given a chance because joe didn’t trust him and probably rightfully so.

I have high hopes for him but going so aggressively and condescendingly after fellow posters who disagree with you is really a bad look and it sure as **** won’t convince anyone.

[steefP2]

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I still think this is just the Celtics leveraging other teams. Make it clear he's an asset not a dump. They're probably just waiting to see if the injury heals without surgery (rehab time almost done) and then if its all clear, he'll be gone but Brad isn't just dumping him. He wants real stuff.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Don't know if this was already posted or not, but this is an interesting Grant interview on JJ Redick's pod.

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[sam_I_am]

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I still think this is just the Celtics leveraging other teams. Make it clear he's an asset not a dump. They're probably just waiting to see if the injury heals without surgery (rehab time almost done) and then if its all clear, he'll be gone but Brad isn't just dumping him. He wants real stuff.

I don’t think Brad’s plan was to shed 2/3 PGs. We had 3 and by trading 1 for KP we upgraded the front court and rebalanced the roster. There is really no reason to move Brogdon.

[cl2117]

It makes sense to take Brogdon off the market for now. Offers obviously weren't amazing if they were willing to give him up for pick #30 and expirings to complete the KP trade. His value should go up once he comes back healthy and in the interim he is actually a great fit for our roster.

He could be a great piece as part of a Harden or Siakam trade to help balance out rosters depending on who is getting moved.

I also like some three way deal where Brogdon goes to team X and C's add value to pick off rotation pieces from OKC.

Micic, Kenrich Williams, Bertans for Brogdon, Kornet, Blandon and 2nds? Team X would need to value Brogdon's scoring over what they could get out of Micic/K. Williams, but I could see that happening with a Philly or LAC that are trying to compete right now. OKC doesn't exactly need more picks right now, but they've got a pre-season roster crunch now and they'll have a minutes crunch as soon as we get into the regular season as well.

Micic/Kenrich are both on really great deals and while they're not as good as Brogdon, the value of having those cheap contracts around your expensive big 3 of Tatum/ Brown/ KP would be HUGE.

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Well for starters that list is flawed I checked just the Denver list it's not Peyton Watson it's Jeff green 8th mpg avg 7.8ppg also your grizzlies was wrong too it's not konchar it's t Jones 8th mpg avg 10.3ppg which leads me to believe this list is bunk but I'd rather have everyone on that list except the two that shouldn't be in the list. I stop checking after that false list came up two names ( probably more) also it's not playoffs list either so this list busted

Jeff Green is no longer on the nuggets and tyus jones is no longer on the grizzlies.

I didn't base this off last year's stats. It's based on who I'm (roughly) projecting each team's 8th man to be this upcoming season.

Your list is still flawed then since Milton isn’t on the sixers.

Ok, put Paul Reed in there instead and it doesn't really change anything. The point of my post still stands.

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Looks like Jaylen is in town today