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Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1621 » by MeanGeraldGreen » Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:13 pm

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steefP2 wrote:Just a reminder that Taylor funk should essentially be considered a G league signing. This is a 10 day to bring him to camp with eyes on signing him for the Maine Celtics. Nothing to see here

Not necessarily. Guys on a camp deal, exhibit 10 or exhibit 9 or whatever are obviously a longshot. But that's what Vonleh and Justin Jackson were last season and they both ended up making the opening night roster. Vonleh got valuable rotation minutes too.

Max Strus started off his tenure with Miami on an exhibit 10 deal.



Bobby Manning literally reported that the plan is for him to sign with the Maine Celtics.

From Bobby: "The Boston Celtics have signed Taylor Funk to an Exhibit 10 contract. Funk's deal will be non-guaranteed, with the plan for him to join the Maine Celtics of the G League after the preseason."


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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1622 » by Hal14 » Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:37 pm

steefP2 wrote:
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steefP2 wrote:Just a reminder that Taylor funk should essentially be considered a G league signing. This is a 10 day to bring him to camp with eyes on signing him for the Maine Celtics. Nothing to see here

Not necessarily. Guys on a camp deal, exhibit 10 or exhibit 9 or whatever are obviously a longshot. But that's what Vonleh and Justin Jackson were last season and they both ended up making the opening night roster. Vonleh got valuable rotation minutes too.

Max Strus started off his tenure with Miami on an exhibit 10 deal.



Bobby Manning literally reported that the plan is for him to sign with the Maine Celtics.

From Bobby: "The Boston Celtics have signed Taylor Funk to an Exhibit 10 contract. Funk's deal will be non-guaranteed, with the plan for him to join the Maine Celtics of the G League after the preseason."

Well, you didn't say that until just now.

Also, I'm not seeing anywhere on Twitter where Bobby actually said that. Got a link?

I see this video, where he seems to be purely speculating about what the team's plans are for Funk..doesn't seem to be speaking with any insider knowledge, says they could give him the last 2-way spot, maybe put him on the g league team. He doesn't seem to know for sure.. he's just kind of rambling from his dorm room and promoting a sports gambling app.

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From my understanding, pretty much anyone who is in camp and participating in it, at least has a shot at getting a spot - whether it be a standard contract or a 2-way. Unless of course, the team already has all 15 roster spots and 3 2-ways already filled going into camp - but I feel like that is pretty rare. So usually everyone in camp at least has a shot - even if it's a small one.

If a guy had literally no shot in hell at making the roster or a 2-way, the team could just sign them and then waive them right afterwards, giving them affiliate rights to the player - like what the Bucks did the other day with Alex Antetokounmpo, like what the Kings are doing with Skal Labissière and what we did last year with Marial Shayok, Reggie Kissoonlal and others.

With that being said, a guy who was still playing college ball at age 25 - and in a mid major conference..and goes undrafted and puts up meh numbers in summer league is probably just going to be a camp body. But you never know..
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1623 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:10 pm

Oubre expected to sign with Miami (via Wiretap).
That is no surprise at all.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1624 » by MeanGeraldGreen » Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:17 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Oubre expected to sign with Miami (via Wiretap).
That is no surprise at all.


Good, he’s ass. The anti Heat kind of player.

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1625 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:20 am

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Oubre expected to sign with Miami (via Wiretap).
That is no surprise at all.

as long as he is not in Boston, that’s all I care about
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1626 » by steefP2 » Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:59 am

Hal14 wrote:
steefP2 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Not necessarily. Guys on a camp deal, exhibit 10 or exhibit 9 or whatever are obviously a longshot. But that's what Vonleh and Justin Jackson were last season and they both ended up making the opening night roster. Vonleh got valuable rotation minutes too.

Max Strus started off his tenure with Miami on an exhibit 10 deal.



Bobby Manning literally reported that the plan is for him to sign with the Maine Celtics.

From Bobby: "The Boston Celtics have signed Taylor Funk to an Exhibit 10 contract. Funk's deal will be non-guaranteed, with the plan for him to join the Maine Celtics of the G League after the preseason."

Well, you didn't say that until just now.

Also, I'm not seeing anywhere on Twitter where Bobby actually said that. Got a link?

I see this video, where he seems to be purely speculating about what the team's plans are for Funk..doesn't seem to be speaking with any insider knowledge, says they could give him the last 2-way spot, maybe put him on the g league team. He doesn't seem to know for sure.. he's just kind of rambling from his dorm room and promoting a sports gambling app.

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From my understanding, pretty much anyone who is in camp and participating in it, at least has a shot at getting a spot - whether it be a standard contract or a 2-way. Unless of course, the team already has all 15 roster spots and 3 2-ways already filled going into camp - but I feel like that is pretty rare. So usually everyone in camp at least has a shot - even if it's a small one.

If a guy had literally no shot in hell at making the roster or a 2-way, the team could just sign them and then waive them right afterwards, giving them affiliate rights to the player - like what the Bucks did the other day with Alex Antetokounmpo, like what the Kings are doing with Skal Labissière and what we did last year with Marial Shayok, Reggie Kissoonlal and others.

With that being said, a guy who was still playing college ball at age 25 - and in a mid major conference..and goes undrafted and puts up meh numbers in summer league is probably just going to be a camp body. But you never know..


This is why no one wants to reply to you. Not every post needs to be a tome. I’d reply to your point but it got lost in the rambling and am fearing for my life the next post would just take up the next 3 pages


I just wrote a quick thing about a very small and not important edge cases of the Celtics off season; not something that needs a 1300 word reply. I didn’t need nor want it to be a conversation.


But I have an idea; just don’t reply to my posts anymore and I’ll do the same for yours. It’s genuinely a reason I post here less and less. It’s tiring.

If you don't want to read a long reply please just ignore it and move on. No need to publicly chew the other person out. Thanks.
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Post#1627 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:28 am

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1628 » by Larry_Russell » Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:16 am

This Dame thing is getting foolish now.

Reports like that coking out need to be investigated and severly punished if true/or to what front office (riley) is leaking them
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1629 » by ddb » Tue Sep 12, 2023 1:42 pm

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ddb wrote:Cam Payne cut by Spurs. Brad needs to pick this guy up immediately. I love the idea of Payne as a depth guard. Good shooter. Funny personality. Shoot, I'd sign him strictly for the Sam Cassell/Cam Payne interaction...Those two would be hilarious together.
Getting Payne would be a tough call. I like the idea of Pritchard getting a shot as being a legit backup PG


Me too. I'm half joking.....I just envision Sam Cassell and Cam Payne on the sideline looking like a sitcom joking around together....
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1630 » by 165bows » Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:13 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:This Dame thing is getting foolish now.

Reports like that coking out need to be investigated and severly punished if true/or to what front office (riley) is leaking them

Yeah I really don't get how they can fine Harden but not Lillard at this point.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1631 » by 31to6 » Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:29 pm

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31to6 wrote:I'll never forget when Cam Payne got traded from OKC to CHI and word leaked out of CHI somehow that "wow, this guy sucks".
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I respect that he has become pretty decent in the years since then. But at 6'1" 180lbs I don't see the Celtics having much interest.

Funny how they end with "didn't live up to expectations as a lottery pick." Pretty sure the average 14th pick is a production level of a backup guy/spot starter like Payne.

I love the draft but people have crazy high expectations all the time.


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long-timers know that 'lottery' isn't what it used to be, and the 14th pick is nothing special.

due to expansion, the 'lottery' expanded to 11 teams in 1989, 13 in 1995, and 14 in 2004
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that said I also love the draft and thought we were going to get an All Star at 25 this past June, instead drafted a HOFer at 38, I ain't mad :dontknow: :guitar:
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1632 » by celtxman » Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:03 pm

ddb wrote:
celtxman wrote:
ddb wrote:Cam Payne cut by Spurs. Brad needs to pick this guy up immediately. I love the idea of Payne as a depth guard. Good shooter. Funny personality. Shoot, I'd sign him strictly for the Sam Cassell/Cam Payne interaction...Those two would be hilarious together.
Getting Payne would be a tough call. I like the idea of Pritchard getting a shot as being a legit backup PG


Me too. I'm half joking.....I just envision Sam Cassell and Cam Payne on the sideline looking like a sitcom joking around together....

Hey I understand why we are only half joking. I have end of game nightmares of how the Celtics couldn't get out of their own way with no real ball handler. White was often shut out of playing at the end of games so hopefully White > Smart in this aspect. But with Payne it is tempting to think of a PG who could navigate a 10 point lead with 3 minutes left - you know - dribble the ball, pass it, hit a free throw. It would be nice to have someone on the roster like that lol.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1633 » by steefP2 » Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:33 pm

celtxman wrote:
ddb wrote:
celtxman wrote: Getting Payne would be a tough call. I like the idea of Pritchard getting a shot as being a legit backup PG


Me too. I'm half joking.....I just envision Sam Cassell and Cam Payne on the sideline looking like a sitcom joking around together....

Hey I understand why we are only half joking. I have end of game nightmares of how the Celtics couldn't get out of their own way with no real ball handler. White was often shut out of playing at the end of games so hopefully White > Smart in this aspect. But with Payne it is tempting to think of a PG who could navigate a 10 point lead with 3 minutes left - you know - dribble the ball, pass it, hit a free throw. It would be nice to have someone on the roster like that lol.



while i dont totally disagree that would be nice, I dont think this is what Payne is. He's more low budget shroder than anything else
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1634 » by Dogen » Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:26 pm

celtxman wrote:
ddb wrote:Cam Payne cut by Spurs. Brad needs to pick this guy up immediately. I love the idea of Payne as a depth guard. Good shooter. Funny personality. Shoot, I'd sign him strictly for the Sam Cassell/Cam Payne interaction...Those two would be hilarious together.
Getting Payne would be a tough call. I like the idea of Pritchard getting a shot as being a legit backup PG


:jawdrop: Pritchard's face every time an experience PG is released onto the market.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1635 » by Dogen » Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:29 pm

165bows wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:This Dame thing is getting foolish now.

Reports like that coking out need to be investigated and severly punished if true/or to what front office (riley) is leaking them

Yeah I really don't get how they can fine Harden but not Lillard at this point.


One difference is that Harden has been publically airing his dirty laundry with the Sixers, whereas with Lillard we hear a lot of stories but very little directly from him.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1636 » by Dogen » Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:34 pm

Dang, I'm all about finding a young athletic back up big at that 15th spot, and letting the 2-Way PGs battle it out with Pritchard and Banton.

Not a big fan of Payne overall, but he can do things with a basketball, and contribute right away as Brogdon insurance. If he would want to have that role here, I hope Brad looks into it. With Svi signed, bringing in Payne, and say, Wenyen Gabriel, then Banton would be the odd man out, but it would be a great move for depth on the roster.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1637 » by Hal14 » Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:48 pm

My vote at this point is Lamar Stevens for the 15th roster spot and Garuba on the last 2-way. Not sure how realistic that is, but it's my vote.
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Post#1638 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:54 pm

Brady out-three-pointing Rob and there's an open roster spot and he's won championships...

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1639 » by Hal14 » Tue Sep 12, 2023 5:37 pm

I feel like there's kind of a trend here.

Danny Green got signed by Philly. Svi Mykhailiuk got signed by a contender. Wood got signed by a team that went to the WCF. Beasley got signed by a contender. Wes Matthews got signed by a playoff team. Dario Saric got signed by a contender. Watanabe signed with a contender - so did Damion Lee. Lindy waters got a 2-way. Joe Ingles signed with Orlando even though he's really old and can barely move up and down the court.

Griffin, Garuba, Warren, Gabriel, Stevens. Diallo, Javonte Green. All still free agents. Oubre, still a free agent. So is Biyombo. The Hernangomez brothers are playing overseas now. John Wall, Justice Winslow, Rudy gay, Jaylen Nowell - all are free agents still.

See the trend? The first group (the guys who got signed) are basically all better shooters than the guys in the second group. Like it or not, it's a shooters league.

Knicks swapped out Toppin for Divencenzo. They got the better shooter.

Celtics swapped Smart for Porzingis. They got the better shooter.

Cavs swapped out Stevens for Strus. They go the better shooter.

It's not just Mazzulla who likes the 3 ball. It's every team.

Suns added like 8 guys to their team and I think like all 8 of them (except for maybe Londale) shot above league average from 3 last season.

Edit: and just like that, another shooter gets signed.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1640 » by Hal14 » Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:00 pm

lol this is getting ridiculous.

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